@mopaji said:

Ben Roethlisberger came in and made an immediate impact going 15-1 his first season. These clowns have barely made it off the bench. Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, both have made high impact plays weekly for teams that weren't exactly overflowing with talent. Rookies are supposed to learn, but high value rookies are expected to learn as they play!

@tobalaz said:

I agree 100% with your 2nd rounders SHOULD be starting on a 4-12 team.

Your talent evaluation SUCKS ASS if you had 3, count 'em 3 2nd round picks and NONE of them can start on a 4-12 team when your current #1 receiver couldn't catch the clap at a $2 whorehouse and your starting linebackers leave holes open on blown gap assignments you could drive a mac truck through.

I concur

@tobalaz said:

I agree 100% with your 2nd rounders SHOULD be starting on a 4-12 team.

Your talent evaluation SUCKS ASS if you had 3, count 'em 3 2nd round picks and NONE of them can start on a 4-12 team when your current #1 receiver couldn't catch the clap at a $2 whorehouse and your starting linebackers leave holes open on blown gap assignments you could drive a mac truck through.

when your current #1 receiver couldn't catch the clap at a $2 whorehouse ......Now that's funny...

I agree 100% with your 2nd rounders SHOULD be starting on a 4-12 team.

Your talent evaluation SUCKS ASS if you had 3, count 'em 3 2nd round picks and NONE of them can start on a 4-12 team when your current #1 receiver couldn't catch the clap at a $2 whorehouse and your starting linebackers leave holes open on blown gap assignments you could drive a mac truck through.

@mopaji said:

you nailed that one

@solon16 said:

Fixed.

And I'd note that Coffee, Levy, and Powers were pushed into larger roles because the guys ahead of them got hurt.

Butler's gotten some time in the slot, but he's got fewer catches than MoMass.

@mopaji said:

You keep complaining about the terrible GM and coach and you have NOTHING to base this on. Don't hang your hat on 0-3 because our QB sucked and this is the defenition of a rebuilding year so that just doesn't hold up. It seems that anyone who loves Brady and his bedroom eyes has turned on the coach and GM. You can no longer say Brady's the man and so now you are saying the regime needs to get canned, again, based on nothing. It is WAY too early to declare our draft a bust. Why you are so hung up on this issue I may never understand. Oh wait that's right, you just want to see them play. Nevermind. My bad, that is a great reason. Discard this message.

PS. How much should we wager that you concentrate on the "based on nothing" and try and insult me based on that and miss the point altogether?

Hey brickhead....I made this thread...the point is second round talent should start on a 4-12 team....man your thick

@solon16 said:

He hasn't been a significant contributor to SF to date, so I wouldn't be touting him as any type of example. That was my point. That would be like me noting about MoMass seeing time as a 2nd rounder.

@solon16 said:

He hasn't been a significant contributor to SF to date, so I wouldn't be touting him as any type of example. That was my point. That would be like me noting about MoMass seeing time as a 2nd rounder.

@mopaji said:

You make some valid points in the last couple of posts (I'd argue Solon's dissatisfaction has nothing to do with Quinn being pulled). But if you really believe MoMoss and Robiskie are not playing because of blocking, I think you are in more wishful mode than reality. Cribbs and BE can't block for shat either. There are a ton of starting NFL WR who don't block for crap.

On top of that, a WR first and primary job is a receiver, not a blocker.

@.mz said:

He was supposedly "NFL-ready." Whoops.

He was drafted for his great hands and he dropped too many in training camp. That, and neither of the two rookies can block. You will not sniff the field if you cannot block. Notice MM comes in once the team is in a throw only situation only? And that goes for ALL positions. OL, TE, WR, RB all of them. College WRs don't do much blocking at all and so to throw a kid out there who is not ready to go against NFL CBs is bad enough but when they become a liability in the running game as well, there is just no way. This discussion should be over. But I'm sure I'll get a few "why does it matter, we suck anyway" replies and to that I would say. Right, it doesn't matter, tell the players, coaches, and 99% of the fans that.

@solon16 said:

We will NEVER be good without good talent evaluators....but like some dumasses on this board with the "a scouts a scout" mentality......JUNK.

GM's and scouting dept, have to hit atleast 60% in the first three rounds to be a consistently good team(PITT and NE)....we have been (7.5%)consistently HORRIFIC.

Why do you have such a hard time understanding that each team is different? When was the last time the entire league finished 8-8, had the same level of talent in every position, the same type and number of injuries, ran the same sytstem on O and D, and drafted the exact same positions in every round? Here I'll help you, NEVER! Each team is different. Wrap your head around that if you can, I know it sometimes hurts but we have faith in you.

You keep complaining about the terrible GM and coach and you have NOTHING to base this on. Don't hang your hat on 0-3 because our QB sucked and this is the defenition of a rebuilding year so that just doesn't hold up. It seems that anyone who loves Brady and his bedroom eyes has turned on the coach and GM. You can no longer say Brady's the man and so now you are saying the regime needs to get canned, again, based on nothing. It is WAY too early to declare our draft a bust. Why you are so hung up on this issue I may never understand. Oh wait that's right, you just want to see them play. Nevermind. My bad, that is a great reason. Discard this message.

PS. How much should we wager that you concentrate on the "based on nothing" and try and insult me based on that and miss the point altogether?

Masters said:

He played before the injury...has nothing to do with my point...but thanks for your two cents...you need change

We will NEVER be good without good talent evaluators....but like some dumasses on this board with the "a scouts a scout" mentality......JUNK.

GM's and scouting dept, have to hit atleast 60% in the first three rounds to be a consistently good team(PITT and NE)....we have been (7.5%)consistently HORRIFIC.

@.mz said:

Awfully silent....isn't he....?

We will just go off the top of my head on this years second rounders who play/start....Alonso Smith Denver CB, Evette Brown DE Carolina, rey maualuga LB Cincy, Lesean McCoy RB Phily,Paul Kruger DE Baltimore, Sean Smith CB Miami,Louis Delmas S Detroit, James Laurinitis LB Stl, Eben Britton RT Jax, Connor Barwin OLB Texans, Andy Levitre OT Buffalo, Phil Loadholt RT Minn......want more? three Pats see spot duty all second rounders Ron Brace NT, Darius Butler CB, Patrick Chung S.......OK?

All second rounders starting or playing alot of football with teams that had ONE second round pick...save NE, we have THREE sitting! These are JUST from this years draft....I guess I'm the only one on this board who thinks your wrong as hell. Has nothing to do with ME wanting to see them....has to do with the scary possibility that this Regime can't draft for shit.....which is exactly why this team has sucked for a decade....of the first 10 drafts we've missed on the first three picks in every draft... almost universally. 4 of 30 were any good....and I reluctantly put BE in there and Kam wimbley.

You are dilusional to think we should sit 3 second round picks on a 4-12 team. But you have your reasons....which make no sense to me.

P.S. you obviously don't follow the draft....I've watched gavel to gavel evr since it's been on air...you are dead wrong.

@mopaji said:

not ready to play or just not good enough.... Boy you don't understand the point....but you just made mine. and BQ sat for three years because he isn't good enough...ie talent evaluation is the reason the Browns are where they are.

@solon16 said:

And the ONLY time you start rookies is when you are AS GOOD AS THE PATS. That's why they actually do it! WRONG, that's the team that can afford to sit and develop....assbackwards as usual.

you have a skewed view of the reality of an NFL football team. Re-read all of my rookie posts. I'm not gong to re-type another logical explanation of the details to an overly-emotional fan. Re-read your ass backward posts...no thanks. Logical? Far from it!

You think I'm overly emotional...lol Call like I see it, you call it like you've taken too much acid.

I didn't ask for a "huge fk'n list" I only wanted one example but whatever.

Homey, if you put raw rookies in on a bad team you'll get bad rookies. That's like having a bad dog and getting another one so he will behave. You know what you get? Two bad dogs. Good teams do it because they have a system in place with vets and continuity from top to bottom. I'm not really sure why you have such a huge problem with that? Oh wait, that's right. You just want to see them play. Okay nevermind I get it. The acid has worn off and I now realize that I make no sense. I concede.

@solon16 said:

I'm worried about you.....hurt there development....couldn't be farther from the truth!

So coach should throw in these kids that are not ready to play or just not good enough yet so that Solon16 can see them play? You hear that coach?! Solon wants to see them play! Forget what you know! Solon wants to see them play! That's as good enough a reason as any. Hey, it worked for Brady Quah....errr......wait a minute?