Aloysius said:

Like I said, dude may not be a world-beater, but he's capable of being an effective third option in the passing game.

Today, Gaffney had 5 catches for 88 yards.

He could be a cheap FA option this offseason - could play slot if Joe J can't come back.

@jadbf said:

That's why when he decides to post, he goes right to the QB debate threads. Cause that's usually where the muck is.

@jadbf said:

And gee....you'd think a guy so busy with running this site wouldn't have the time to stoop to my childish level.....

I was gonna say that.......

@atenears said:

Opps, must have missed it among all those other topics about the team.

Dude, you miss the point. You say no one is talking about other areas of the team (and you have been saying it since CLE announced DA's benching). Why don't you go put one of these responses in those threads. You can start with the list of threads JADBF already gave you.

Opps, must have missed it among all those other topics about the team.

mz. said:

@legacy-fan said:

We still play Cincy one more time right?

@tobalaz said:

Are there any of those left on our schedule??

mz. said:

MIN or bust????? MIA isn't giving anything up with Henne still waiting to take his turn. Any other possible suitors?

All I can see is Detroit if there's a franchise willing to call that a starting QB. He's a backup for any franchise but Detroit.

Quinn AND Dorsey would have won 10 games in 2007. We didn't even REQUIRE a QB the last time we played buffalo. All we needed was someone to volunteer to handoff and throw every pass out of bounds as the 2 point Safety became the game winning score.

- Tom F.

@orangenotbrown said:

Alright well thats point well taken.

But if you trade him tomorrow who is your backup? Dorsey?

Isn't Joey Harrington and Jamarcus Russell, err, Donte Culpepper out there floating around?

Really though, best bet is to keep both for now. Quinn might go down and DA will light it up against an easy opponent and we'll want to keep him again.

Like I said, dude may not be a world-beater, but he's capable of being an effective third option in the passing game.

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Today, he looked like we'd hoped Stallworth looked. It's amazing what a supplemental weapon (in addition to your #1 WR and TE) can do for an offense (duh.).

And Phil deserves some of the blame as well. Look at how all the other FA receivers we discussed this spring have done compared to Stallworth:

• : 30 catches, 621 yards, 4 TD

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[*] Devery Henderson: 18 catches, 499 yards, 3 TD

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[*] Bryant Johnson: 16 catches, 208 yards, 1 TD

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[*] Justin Gage: 13 catches, 182 yards, 1 TD

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[*] Jabar Gaffney: 12 catches, 118 yards, 1 TD

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[*] Donte Stallworth: 11 catches, 104 yards, 1 TD[/*2n36iejt]

His numbers are very close to Gaffney's, but Jabar signed a one year, $1.25 M deal. Stallworth got $10 M guaranteed.

That's not good.

The only one on that list that really stands out is Berrian, and he got Braylon Edwards cash. Also heard his interview on ESPN and he wouldn't have come here.

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But let's continue...

The first WR taken after our 2nd round pick was Dexter Jackson. He has yet to see playing time.

The next was Earl Bennett. He has 0 career catches.

The next 7 WRs taken have combined for 22 catches. That includes Mario Manningham, whom some on this board were hot for, with 1 reception.

Many people on this board liked Douglas as a 3rd Round slot type, and that's the role he's been playing with the Falcons. He's not getting many targets in their run-first system, but the reports on him are pretty solid.

Doucet was a surprise slide to the 3rd Round, where he was picked up the receiver-heavy Cardinals. It's no surprise, then, that he only has 8 catches so far - he's buried on the depth chart behind Boldin, Fitzgerald, and Breaston.

On different offenses & different teams, those guys would have more than 20 combined catches.

That takes us to the end of the 4th round. You'll have a tough time convincing me that selecting a WR after that is anything more than a crapshoot, at least as far as production in their first couple of years.

But I don't think we disagree much on all the stuff above. A rookie receiver's probably not going to serve as an effective #2 receiver (I was thinking more as a slot guy). And Stallworth, though not very durable, probably was the most talented #2 available.

However, I think the situation advised against signing Stallworth because

[*] the FO already knew that Joe Jurevicius' knee could keep him out for the entire season[/*14mdrzfo]

So we definitely needed another receiver, but he didn't have to be a world-beater & he needed to be durable.

What Savage did, however, was go for the home run. Anticipating that this could be our year, he signed the player who could (potentially) take the offense to an entirely new level, but also the player who'd be the least likely to stay healthy.

As a result, we didn't have a #2 receiver at precisely the time we needed one most. Stallworth may be able to play the rest of the season, but it's too late; not only is this not our year, but we're not going to make the playoffs.

So I would have preferred to sign a cheap & safe option like Gaffney & hope an Eddie Royal or a Justin Morgan fell into our laps.

But I recognize that it'd be the more conservative option, which may not appeal to your oh so liberal tastes

The first WR taken after our 2nd round pick was Dexter Jackson. He has yet to see playing time. The next was Earl Bennett. He has 0 career catches. The next 7 WRs taken have combined for 22 catches. That includes Mario Manningham, whom some on this board were hot for, with 1 reception. That takes us to the end of the 4th round. You'll have a tough time convincing me that selecting a WR after that is anything more than a crapshoot, at least as far as production in their first couple of years.

And I'd have to go look back at who was available before constructing my alternate history of our last offseason. Randy Starks & Travis LaBoy are two guys who come to mind.

But I guess it's the conservative in me (!) that doesn't like putting $10 M guaranteed into such a risky player. Same reason I didn't like giving up a 2nd for Corey Williams.

If the money is what bothers you, then let's drop the WR comparisons and talk about what you think the expense of signing Stallworth kept us from doing elsewhere.

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Gaffney wouldn't have stretched the field like Stallworth is supposed to, but he's a serviceable receiver. Those "catch 1 pass a week" stats are more a function of the guys playing ahead of him. And towards the end of last year, Gaffney was playing ahead of Stallworth. The Pats decided that they couldn't rely on Donte.

Most of those other guys werent going to be brought in as a #2. They are #1 options elsewhere and, for the most part, getting paid for it.

While we're in the process of comparing Stallworth to the other WRs we couldve signed, let's include Jerry Porter, Javon Walker, DJ Hackett, Troy Brown, Keary Colbert, Brandon Lloyd (hasnt played since week 4), Justin McCareins, David Patten, Koren Robinson (4 appearances this year), Peerless Price, and on and on.

Alot of guys on that list that you're pissed Phil overlooked?

And there is always the small detail that Stallworth will still be a Brown when he quad/groin/whatever heals.

Most of those other guys werent going to be brought in as a #2. They are #1 options elsewhere and, for the most part, getting paid for it.

While we're in the process of comparing Stallworth to the other WRs we couldve signed, let's include Jerry Porter, Javon Walker, DJ Hackett, Troy Brown, Keary Colbert, Brandon Lloyd (hasnt played since week 4), Justin McCareins, David Patten, Koren Robinson (4 appearances this year), Peerless Price, and on and on.

Alot of guys on that list that you're pissed Phil overlooked?

And there is always the small detail that Stallworth will still be a Brown when he quad/groin/whatever heals.

Sorry for the hijack.

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And Phil deserves some of the blame as well. Look at how all the other FA receivers we discussed this spring have done compared to Stallworth:

• : 30 catches, 621 yards, 4 TD

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[*] Devery Henderson: 18 catches, 499 yards, 3 TD

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[*] Bryant Johnson: 16 catches, 208 yards, 1 TD

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[*] Justin Gage: 13 catches, 182 yards, 1 TD

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[*] Jabar Gaffney: 12 catches, 118 yards, 1 TD

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[*] Donte Stallworth: 11 catches, 104 yards, 1 TD[/*z628lnsv]

His numbers are very close to Gaffney's, but Jabar signed a one year, $1.25 M deal. Stallworth got $10 M guaranteed.

That's not good.