@sisky-fringo said:

Oh, good. You caught that.

@restinpeace said:

You are correct: they MUST adjust to the ball. That IS their job as a professional receiver playing in the NFL. I am so sick of hearing about guys dropping the ball because of "how it was thrown." Elway's receivers were well known to have dislocated fingers and bruises/broken ribs due to the velocity of Elway's throws. Didn't matter: they caught the ball or they were off the team.

I don't know what's happening with the "grooming of receivers" at the college level. They all come into the league primadonnas that don't know how to CATCH THE FREAKING BALL. Like Braylon, they excel at crazy leaping, etc., but somehow the fundamentals of the position seem to be lost on them.

And don't get me started on defensive TACKLING...

@sisky-fringo said:

fuk your stats, fuk your numbers and look at the holes the oline created and the fact Jamal ran out the clock. the Bills couldn't stop them just like your post reinforces. but again, it's a vacuum. i'm going to the movies now. you're gonna have to find your work day entertainment elsewhere now.

Into the endzone? Funny, CLE didn't get 6 and the replays showed his knee down. But anyway.

The point is, those aren't what it looks like when a D is worn down. You can pluck those same stat lines from any quarter of the game. That is all I am saying.

@clevelandfanforlife said:

Apparently you haven't seen many games with DA as QB.

Masters said:

Cleveland - 13:49

1st-10, CLE47 13:49 J. Harrison rushed to the left for 3 yard gain

2nd-7, 50 13:16 J. Lewis rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain

3rd-3, BUF46 12:34 D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle

4th-3, BUF46 12:15 D. Zastudil punt, no return. BUF penalty

Cleveland - 10:48

1st-10, CLE28 10:48 J. Lewis rushed to the right for 9 yard gain

2nd-1, CLE37 10:12 J. Lewis rushed to the left for no gain

3rd-1, CLE37 9:31 D. Anderson rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

1st-10, CLE39 8:55 J. Lewis rushed up the middle for 10 yard gain

1st-10, CLE49 8:16 J. Harrison rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

2nd-8, BUF49 7:34 D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle

3rd-8, BUF49 7:29 D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle

4th-8, BUF49 7:13 D. Zastudil punt, no return

Cleveland - 4:05

1st-10, CLE20 4:05 D. Anderson incomplete pass to the right

2nd-10, CLE20 4:00 J. Lewis rushed to the right for 7 yard gain

3rd-3, CLE27 3:15 D. Anderson incomplete pass to the left

4th-3, CLE27 2:59 D. Zastudil punt. R. Parrish returned punt for no gain. R. Parrish fumbled. B. Costanzo recovered fumble

1st-10, BUF16 2:59 J. Lewis rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

2nd-8, BUF14 2:15 J. Lewis rushed to the left for 1 yard loss

3rd-9, BUF15 2:08 J. Lewis rushed to the left for 10 yard gain

1st-5, BUF5 2:02 J. Lewis rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

2nd-6, BUF6 1:56 J. Lewis rushed to the left for 2 yard gain

3rd-4, BUF4 1:13 J. Lewis rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain

4th-1, BUF1 0:23 B. Cundiff kicked a 18-yard field goal

It was that same way all game and that final drive they moved the ball 15 yards.

I have been watching Browns football for over 25 years. Which has no relevance to how ugly that game was.

sure looks like he was moving the ball to me. the reason the stats don't show even more IS BECAUSE HE TOOK IT INTO THE ENDZONE so the numbers end there.

fuk your stats, fuk your numbers and look at the holes the oline created and the fact Jamal ran out the clock. the Bills couldn't stop them just like your post reinforces. but again, it's a vacuum. i'm going to the movies now. you're gonna have to find your work day entertainment elsewhere now.

@sisky-fringo said:

how long have you been watching Browns football, Mike? i realize it was an ugly game with tons of miscues but considering the circumstances, like the fact we have rookies starting at WR and overall 2/3rds of the starting roster is virgin, they are showing the first signs of really gelling. half empty, miscroscope diagnosis vs half full, one day at a time.

Wore them down by the 4th QTR and showed on the final drive? 4th QTR drives:

Cleveland - 13:49

1st-10, CLE47 13:49 J. Harrison rushed to the left for 3 yard gain

2nd-7, 50 13:16 J. Lewis rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain

3rd-3, BUF46 12:34 D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle

4th-3, BUF46 12:15 D. Zastudil punt, no return. BUF penalty

Cleveland - 10:48

1st-10, CLE28 10:48 J. Lewis rushed to the right for 9 yard gain

2nd-1, CLE37 10:12 J. Lewis rushed to the left for no gain

3rd-1, CLE37 9:31 D. Anderson rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

1st-10, CLE39 8:55 J. Lewis rushed up the middle for 10 yard gain

1st-10, CLE49 8:16 J. Harrison rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

2nd-8, BUF49 7:34 D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle

3rd-8, BUF49 7:29 D. Anderson incomplete pass down the middle

4th-8, BUF49 7:13 D. Zastudil punt, no return

Cleveland - 4:05

1st-10, CLE20 4:05 D. Anderson incomplete pass to the right

2nd-10, CLE20 4:00 J. Lewis rushed to the right for 7 yard gain

3rd-3, CLE27 3:15 D. Anderson incomplete pass to the left

4th-3, CLE27 2:59 D. Zastudil punt. R. Parrish returned punt for no gain. R. Parrish fumbled. B. Costanzo recovered fumble

1st-10, BUF16 2:59 J. Lewis rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

2nd-8, BUF14 2:15 J. Lewis rushed to the left for 1 yard loss

3rd-9, BUF15 2:08 J. Lewis rushed to the left for 10 yard gain

1st-5, BUF5 2:02 J. Lewis rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

2nd-6, BUF6 1:56 J. Lewis rushed to the left for 2 yard gain

3rd-4, BUF4 1:13 J. Lewis rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain

4th-1, BUF1 0:23 B. Cundiff kicked a 18-yard field goal

It was that same way all game and that final drive they moved the ball 15 yards.

I have been watching Browns football for over 25 years. Which has no relevance to how ugly that game was.

Masters said:

How dare anyone credit the win to a muffed punt? Hmmm...maybe because that is what happened. Saying CLE went out and won that football game is changing reality. Neither team deserved to win that game. Based on what occured on that football field yesterday, they both should have their status as NFL Teams removed.

Jamal wore them down by the 4th WTR and it really showed in that final drive. that's what i'm referring to.

how long have you been watching Browns football, Mike? i realize it was an ugly game with tons of miscues but considering the circumstances, like the fact we have rookies starting at WR and overall 2/3rds of the starting roster is virgin, they are showing the first signs of really gelling. half empty, miscroscope diagnosis vs half full, one day at a time.

For the sake of 'cleaning up the board.

@sisky-fringo said:

Stop right there. Both offenses were inept coming into the game. The fact that both D's held the other O to what they are already were coming in does not make it a defensive battle. It makes it what I said ealier, a cripple fight.

That game was like a fight where two guys square off jawing, but neither ever wants to throw a punch.

Masters said:

That was a battle of ineptitude.

ineptitude? they held both offenses inept, but the defenses played hard. a defensive battle is not defined by how dominant the defenses rank in the league, but by how the game played out. it has no bearing how they stack up league wide when considering if the game was a defensive battle.

what do you really want my contentious, epically unsatisfied fellow Brownie?

@sisky-fringo said:

so i say once again, how dare you minimize their win and credit it to a muffed punt when in actuality the Browns were the better team yesterday regardless.

ROFLMAO......of course I dare....because I saw the game you moron. Sorry that you live in your dream world where the Browns are world-beaters. I refuse to do that. I'm glad they won, but that doesn't mean I have to put a positive spin on the WAY they won.

@brownsfan4evr said:

we won

@grimmreaper3 said:

Pumpkin Eater, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

i think you watch too many movies. a good defensive battle is when you have a ton of 3 and outs and punts, when either team doesn't score a single touchdown (even though we did), when the game comes down to field position and controlling the clock, when a QB is 2-17 for 23 yards and has literally no passing offense, and when a game is decided by special teams efforts. if that ain't a defensive battle i'd like to know what you think it is.

it was smashmouth football for Christ sake and apparently in your view without defensive TD's, a million sacks, and dominating rushing linebackers etc i guess you "new age" fans can't appreciate it for what it was. when it mattered both teams made stands and kept both offenses flat.

@sisky-fringo said:

I'm sorry, I guess that wasn't two of the lowest ranked offenses and defense in the NFL on the field yesterday/

That was a battle of ineptitude.

How dare anyone credit the win to a muffed punt? Hmmm...maybe because that is what happened. Saying CLE went out and won that football game is changing reality. Neither team deserved to win that game. Based on what occured on that football field yesterday, they both should have their status as NFL Teams removed.

Masters said:

6-3 was not a defensive battle? swatting down DA's passes and picking off passes intended for T.O.? 3 and outs? go tell Rob Ryan, Sean Rodgers and Kam Wimbley that. i'm sure they'll certainly appreciate you as a fan.

@nebbrownsfan said:

and if Parrish had picked it up and been tackled immediately, it very easily could have come down to the defense holding them 3 and out once again and getting the ball back. followed by Jamal again running the rock, killing the clock, and getting us within FG range for the win. so maybe he doesn't get us to the one inch line and Cundiff kicks from the 35=same result. in our little vacuum here we have every reason to believe this would have probably happened based upon what we saw all game long.

so i say once again, how dare you minimize their win and credit it to a muffed punt when in actuality the Browns were the better team yesterday regardless.

@chumpchange said:

And Mangini calls it a "fantastic game" and Anderson says he "did good".

in my life i've seen tens of "punter's duels", especially in previous Browns games. our perpetual anemic offense of the past 20 years has led to many a defensive showdown. it was not a sexy game, but i've seen many that were much uglier and much more boring.

national pundits obviously prefer exciting high scoring games, and wars consisting of field goals and punts don't make for great highlights. just because it didn't fit their needs for the show doesn't mean it wasn't a great Browns victory. perception is everything IMO.

personally, with so much riding on yesterday, i didn't find it boring at all and was on the edge of my seat all game. i still have high hopes for this team and try to live by the motto: Unus Dies Procul A Vicis.

@sisky-fringo said:

but don't scold them because they may be short-sighted, petty and very fickle? if you don't like hearing it>>maybe you shouldn't read either.

lol...short-sighted? The short-sighted ones are the DA lovers who are still living in 2007 and somehow believe he's the reason the Browns won yesterday, but he's never the reason when they lose. So forgive us all that actually watched the game and saw what a shit performance it was for the most part, and very easily could have not been a W if it wasn't for Buffalo screwing up on ST (for the 2nd time this season).

@nebbrownsfan said:

don't read 90% of the board and the opinions of my fellow fans? hmmm. i'll actually consider it.

but don't scold them because they may be short-sighted, petty and very fickle? if you don't like hearing it>>maybe you shouldn't read either.