<![CDATA[Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start]]>Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start

Cleveland Browns morning news roundup

By Starting Blocks

October 20, 2009, 6:10AM

Brady QuinnFormer Cleveland Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar says that Brady Quinn is probably better off he gets a new start elsewhere.

Kosar, now a consultant with the Browns, said on WKNR yesterday:

“Multiple systems and multiple coaches haven’t worked out in Cleveland. Maybe a fresh start will help him out.”

The NFL trade deadline is today.

A story in CantonRep.com speculates that several teams could use a quarterback like Quinn. Those teams include Miami, Seattle, Tennessee, Buffalo, Washington, Carolina, Oakland, Tampa Bay and St. Louis.

Kosar hesitated when asked if Quinn would be traded.

"Ummm, you know what, I think it would be tough … It’s a tough spot for him right now,” Kosar said. “I personally like seeing that he’s unhappy not playing. You don’t want a young quarterback that’s happy being a backup.

“People should cut him slack if he is frustrated and does say something that’s maybe a little negative in terms of wanting to play.

“If something’s out there …”

Progress: QB Derek Anderson has only completed 11 passes in his last two games, but coach Eric Mangini made it clear that Anderson will remain No. 1 against the Green Bay Packers on Sunday.

The Browns are 31st in the league in offense and 30th in points scored. They have scored four offensive touchdowns in 72 possessions this season, but Mangini sees progress.

In The News-Herald:

"There have been times where we've moved the ball really effectively," Mangini said. "The drive we had at the beginning of the second half is indicative of things we can do.

"There were some positive things that I've seen throughout the course of Derek working at quarterback that I think will get better."

WildDawg offense: The Browns' WildDawg offense wasn't wildly successful against the Pittsburgh Steelers, but Steelers' defensive end Brett Keisel was impressed with Josh Cribbs.

In CantonRep.com:

“He just made great plays,” Keisel said. “We knew they were gonna do WildDawg. We worked on it during the week.

“But Cribbs is Cribbs. He makes big plays. He was the only reason they were in the game, I think. He’s a helluva player.”

So what does coach Eric Mangini do now? Keep the offense and run more plays with Cribbs?

Quarterback Derek Anderson doesn't have a problem with the formation.

“It’s different, but I think it helps us,” Anderson said. “It gives us ... I don’t know what we got yardage-wise on it ... but we did some good things with it.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/8030/bernie-kosar-says-brady-quinn-could-use-a-fresh-startRSS for NodeThu, 01 Oct 2026 16:29:40 GMTTue, 20 Oct 2009 11:14:02 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:08:11 GMT]]>We only have 1 wr now. Some people have claimed Braylon dropped passes because he was tryn to do to much. I hope the same thing don't happen to MO Mass

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@hoorta said:

I've also officially lost interest in the Browns for this season

You have a problem then....and the problem is me....like it or not you are a friend and I don't let friends quit.

Just letting you know....by morning the attitude needs to change.

Cowboy up man...dust off and give it another ride.

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@cmac12 said:

I would like to know what makes anybody think that BQ has more upside than DA? Now the way it has looked to me is that both QBs suck but Anderson at least allows the Browns to have some type of running game.

Neither is the long term answer and the way that DA is playing the coaches who see them both everyday must really see no potential in BQ.

I don't think you can blame the coach if both QBs suck and for playing the one that they think at least gives them a chance to win. DA is hot and cold but he does give them a chance to win if he gets hot. BQ has not shown that ability and must not have shown it in practice either.

ummmm Da has 2 td's.....6 picks and 2 lost fumbles..... a three legged dog has more upside

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129785https://brownsboard.com/post/129785Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:58:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:54:04 GMT]]>he has more upside because of the unknown factor. with DA we've known hes sucked for 3 years now, and will continue to suck. and we know that while hes playing we won't be successful. BQ at least has the possiblity to improve as the season goes on.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129783https://brownsboard.com/post/129783Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:54:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:53:47 GMT]]>he has more upside because of the unknown factor. with DA we've known hes sucked for 3 years now, and will continue to suck. and we know that while hes playing we won't be successful. BQ at least has the possiblity to improve as the season goes on.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129782https://brownsboard.com/post/129782Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:53:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:14:56 GMT]]>I would like to know what makes anybody think that BQ has more upside than DA? Now the way it has looked to me is that both QBs suck but Anderson at least allows the Browns to have some type of running game.

Neither is the long term answer and the way that DA is playing the coaches who see them both everyday must really see no potential in BQ.

I don't think you can blame the coach if both QBs suck and for playing the one that they think at least gives them a chance to win. DA is hot and cold but he does give them a chance to win if he gets hot. BQ has not shown that ability and must not have shown it in practice either.

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@fan-of-steel-1 said:

Except for perhaps this...

mangini reminds me of a train coming into the station late. He should have done something like this months ago. If he was going to go with Anderson, he should have had the reps all along. If he was going with Quinn who has much more upside than Anderson, he should have gone with him. He already said that whoever won the QB comp. would get his support and yet they did not. Mangini created this problem and is now making it worse.

Takes a Steeler fan to insert some objectivity. Thanks. 🙂

Mangini's actons speak volumes. Effectively here's what he's telling Browns fans: " IMO Brady Quinn has less potential than a whale turd sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Trust me."

You had damn well better be right Eric. It's gonna get real ugly at home games if Anderson continues to stink.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129736https://brownsboard.com/post/129736Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:14:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:20:19 GMT]]>Except for perhaps this...

Eric Mangini reaffirms support for Browns QB Derek Anderson, regardless of statistics.

mangini reminds me of a train coming into the station late. He should have done something like this months ago. If he was going to go with Anderson, he should have had the reps all along. If he was going with Quinn who has much more upside than Anderson, he should have gone with him. He already said that whoever won the QB comp. would get his support and yet they did not. Mangini created this problem and is now making it worse.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129711https://brownsboard.com/post/129711Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:20:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:14:58 GMT]]>No weapons have hurt both QBs?

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

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@hoorta said:

I'd fire Daboll, and put Bernie in as offensive coordinator. I've also officially lost interest in the Browns for this season (& this coming from a season ticket holder) assuming Mangini is content to think this long time fan is going to continue to watch the last rated qb in the league stink it up week after week, and add in the worst defense in the NFL as a side benefit.

😠 I wish we had a puke emoticon to show my true feelings about the Browns right now.

Ask and ye shall receive anim_puke.gif

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@the-gipper said:

It is probably no different than the roles that Jim Brown and Paul Warfield play, both of whom are also "consultants" for the Browns. The role of these guys is to try to evaluate people who can be the next Jim Brown, Paul Warfield, and Bernie Kosar for this team. JB and PW have been on their roles for several years, they have yet to find anyone as good as themselves....can Bernie do any better?

I'd fire Daboll, and put Bernie in as offensive coordinator. I've also officially lost interest in the Browns for this season (& this coming from a season ticket holder) assuming Mangini is content to think this long time fan is going to continue to watch the last rated qb in the league stink it up week after week, and add in the worst defense in the NFL as a side benefit.

😠 I wish we had a puke emoticon to show my true feelings about the Browns right now.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129686https://brownsboard.com/post/129686Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:21:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:14:43 GMT]]>Good to see Bernie is already shooting his mouth off in his first few weeks as a "consultant." I hope he keeps it coming with the off-the-cuff comments. You know that has to piss Mangini off.

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@sez.ej said:

Bernie knows dick.. he is still suffering from post concussion syndrome from that fastball I beaned him with when I was 11 in Boardman little league.. Not to mention all the hit's babette gave him. I loved bernie as a brown.. I have serious doubts about this consulting thing.

It is probably no different than the roles that Jim Brown and Paul Warfield play, both of whom are also "consultants" for the Browns. The role of these guys is to try to evaluate people who can be the next Jim Brown, Paul Warfield, and Bernie Kosar for this team. JB and PW have been on their roles for several years, they have yet to find anyone as good as themselves....can Bernie do any better?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129675https://brownsboard.com/post/129675Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:04:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:03:03 GMT]]>I loved bernie as a brown.. I have serious doubts about this consulting thing.

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@ballpeen said:

Thanks...I knew I had never seen that before so it came as a complete change-up.

Still though, I hadn't seen that any extension of it could spill over into 2010, even $5.8-mil.

Thanks Alo

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129655https://brownsboard.com/post/129655Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:55:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:45:29 GMT]]>Thanks...I knew I had never seen that before so it came as a complete change-up.

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@carddawg said:

This blurb was in Sunday's PD (and posted in a thread here about Browns Contracts):

<<<< Quinn's bonuses worked like this: He could have earned up to $11 million if he had played 45 percent of the team's snaps in 2007 and 55 percent in 2008. Since he didn't, the bonus now requires that he play 70 percent of the snaps in 2009. If he fails to do that, the $11 million is still available if he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010. His base salary makes him affordable as a backup, while he can get a huge boost if he becomes a regular here or elsewhere.

Fans have been writing that Quinn was sent to the bench to avoid paying his bonus. Well, the best way to do that was to play Anderson starting in Game 1. Or to trade Quinn over the summer to Denver when the Broncos called. >>>>

@pumpkin-eater said:

There it is in black and white.

Sorry Quinn "backers"

From Pluto's Monday column:

Terry Pluto said:

Getting it right: In my Sunday notes, I was wrong about the incentives in Brady Quinn's contract. Yes, he will receive $11 million if he takes 70 percent of the snaps this season. If he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010, it's $5.8 million. I had reported he also could make $11 million in 2010, which is incorrect.
]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129606https://brownsboard.com/post/129606Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:43:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:40:59 GMT]]>even in light of that new (at least to me) info, that doesn't mean its not about money. he takes enough snaps for this year, he gets paid. he wont be here next year, so i dont think that much of the consideration. he's not worth 11 million, so just because he has the option to take the escalator for 2 consecutive years lends no credence to benching him being solely a function of play.

his play didn't match the money, which is more likely.

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@carddawg said:

This blurb was in Sunday's PD (and posted in a thread here about Browns Contracts):

<<<< Quinn's bonuses worked like this: He could have earned up to $11 million if he had played 45 percent of the team's snaps in 2007 and 55 percent in 2008. Since he didn't, the bonus now requires that he play 70 percent of the snaps in 2009. If he fails to do that, the $11 million is still available if he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010. If he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010, it's $5.8 million. I had reported he also could make $11 million in 2010, which is incorrect. His base salary makes him affordable as a backup, while he can get a huge boost if he becomes a regular here or elsewhere.

Fans have been writing that Quinn was sent to the bench to avoid paying his bonus. Well, the best way to do that was to play Anderson starting in Game 1. Or to trade Quinn over the summer to Denver when the Broncos called. >>>>

Thanks..I saw that on your other thread...seems like new info...i had never seen that part..always just in the first 3 years.

Good find

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@carddawg said:

He can still pick up his $11 Mil if he takes 70% or more of the snaps next season as well. So benching him this year with an early hook was NOT all because of money.

well its getting closer to decision time and we have to Hi $ QB/s who are not performing.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129598https://brownsboard.com/post/129598Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:13:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:56:31 GMT]]>

@ballpeen said:

Anyway....No, it wasn't all about money.

It was because he was horrible.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129589https://brownsboard.com/post/129589Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:56:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:46:14 GMT]]>There it is in black and white.

Sorry Quinn "backers"

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/129586https://brownsboard.com/post/129586Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:46:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:15:55 GMT]]>thanks for that CardDawg!

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@ballpeen said:

I didn't know that...I thought it was in the first 3 years...

Anyway....No, it wasn't all about money.

This blurb was in Sunday's PD (and posted in a thread here about Browns Contracts):

<<<< Quinn's bonuses worked like this: He could have earned up to $11 million if he had played 45 percent of the team's snaps in 2007 and 55 percent in 2008. Since he didn't, the bonus now requires that he play 70 percent of the snaps in 2009. If he fails to do that, the $11 million is still available if he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010. If he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010, it's $5.8 million. I had reported he also could make $11 million in 2010, which is incorrect. His base salary makes him affordable as a backup, while he can get a huge boost if he becomes a regular here or elsewhere.

Fans have been writing that Quinn was sent to the bench to avoid paying his bonus. Well, the best way to do that was to play Anderson starting in Game 1. Or to trade Quinn over the summer to Denver when the Broncos called. >>>>

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