@deadwombat said:

We need to drop this subject unless people can be civil about it.

More irony ...

@grimmreaper3 said:

Team lumberg....hahahah.... never would I be on a team that thinks the worst QB in the NFL for the last 2 1/2 years...is worth the effort to defend....sorry but DA sucks ass and as soon as morons like you wake the fk up and smell the shit you've been delivering...it aint worth my time to type! He's is horrible!

@grimmreaper3 said:

Umm, no matter what, i'll never be with team Lumbergh. I'm not a valued member of this board, more of a lurker than anything. But I haven't made my way to the other site, i'm kind of old school that way. I never cared about the QB disagreements, it's just whoever each individual thought gave us the best chance to win (minus Lumbergh) determined who they sided with. I never got into the name calling or any of that either, because it doesn't matter.

I don't know the entire history of the Browns Board, I know i've heard mention that members of other boards somehow started this one, which sounds a lot like what we experienced recently.

I don't blame anyone for anything, but your dad was right Lumbergh...it's your fault your parents got divorced.

@lumbergh said:

You're either with Team Lumbergh or you're against us. Make up your mind, peons.

@cmac12 said:

what'd you think of Canfield tonight?

@cmac12 said:

It's no big deal- assuming you have the time- be our guest to do so.

@.mz said:

But be sure to stay here and post with three other people. DieHard's even on the "other" board under a fake name. That's how bad it's gotten here.

Feel free to delete this post, but I'll know you've read it, Tom.

I think it's funny that folks who exiled themselves to the BQ-Homo-Forum still post here. Way to make a stand, pussy.

I think we're going to be excited to see the new big TE from the Bears play asap.

Maybe a few plays tomorrow?

@deadwombat said:

We need to drop this subject unless people can be civil about it.

Drama, my dear friend, is created by overreaction. Embrace it. Join the dark side.

Oh, and...

We need to drop this subject unless people can be civil about it.

maybe even DA.

If yer goin to dream, dream big...

Oh and it's not brownsrevolution like I initially thought.. it is "barking . hard" or something like that.

@shawnski said:

If by wading through crap you mean posts filled with useful information and great insight to the game, then yeah you guys definitely don't have to deal with that any more.

BTW everyone, this Shawnski guy is Inspecta ... kind of ironic huh?

To be honest a couple of posters I am glad they are gone while some of the guys who went I enjoyed their posts.

Life goes on and their will be others to converse with.

@mr.-t said:

Those that left seem to feel the need to come back and keep the pot stirred, it has been a good week not to have to wade thru the BS crap that we have seen in the past. I see a unified effort of everyone trying to get along now.

Note to self, My wife loves the soap network, she might want to read this.

Playing a little double agent are we T?

If by wading through crap you mean posts filled with useful information and great insight to the game, then yeah you guys definitely don't have to deal with that any more.

@kshutchins said:

I was in a hurry this morning and have no idea how my note got posted twice.

Sometimes my internet lags and I double tap the submit tab and it doubles up also.

I was in a hurry this morning and have no idea how my note got posted twice.

Those that left seem to feel the need to come back and keep the pot stirred, it has been a good week not to have to wade thru the BS crap that we have seen in the past. I see a unified effort of everyone trying to get along now.

Note to self, My wife loves the soap network, she might want to read this.

@danamal said:

Thats a great post and your one of the best here so your opinion carries alot of weight,

I think what Dama was trying to say was theres two sides to any conflict and I dont think anyone here didnt appreciate Stans efforts now or then or intentionally disrespected his house.

Everyone is guilty of getting caught up in the team having a bad season and the inevitable negative attitude and arguing over what is the right path for the Browns to take with the QB situation being the center that started the storm.

You cant call people out and challenge them to a debate then pull out your owner card when you feel you are above the fray.

I dont see this as an us or them and I really dont feel I should have to choose where I share my passion for the Browns,I still have people I like to post with here and would like to stay and I will continue to post at the other place and I see no problem with that but if its better that I dont post here im sure the owners and mods will let me know.

Danamal,

Thanks for the first part but in fairness - we don't have enough time in the day to list the names of how many posters here bring better football Shakespeare than me. That's the REASON I love hanging here. I read so much good stuff that I feel like Cliff Clavin in comparison but happy to be at my cyber version of Cheers.

Some of the people that got their membership cards temporarily yanked - didn't have them yanked by STAN. That being the case, I think there's some gross inaccuracies being shared and replicated. That said, whomever was moderating deserves a 2 thumbs up for having his back AND dealing with those that didn't approve of the leadership. I've never once had a post removed when I disputed Atenears. I've never had any of my posts removed where I busted his chops either. He should be abe to post his opinion on subjects and bust chops. I'm not fabricating when I say we've never agreed on QBs so I have a hard time with the theories out there that say he calls people out and then yanks their posts once they take their gloves off. The ONLY way someone resorts to such a thing is if they think they just got their ass kicked. If you think Skippy has ever thought he got his ass kicked in a smackdown or sports conversation only to feel his best course of action is to shy away from that person - I need to introduce you.

If you're good at the cyber moshpit thing like say Zombo for instance - Skippy LIKES that and enjoys the stage. That was the drama that put a hook in my mouth in cyberspance. Skippy and Zippy were throwing down over Couch and I parked my ass for the long haul. Ironically enough, those 2 knuckleheads became the best of friends.

BTW, Lummy has had countless posts removed by more than 1 moderator so they don't treat him any better than others inspite of the false accusations. You'd be surprised how much of what you think you know from mz the pussy and company has been mz the pussy-reported. IMO, that's unfair.

MANY of the complaints I read were people that wanted more intensified moderation until of course there was more intensified moderation. That said, I believe Zombo gave many a headsup/warning when we ran out of pacifiers. I'm guilty of this too but how often do we ever thank the people that volunteer their time as moderators, fantasy sports league leaders, Tavern bouncers and bartenders, Tailgate Leaders, etc? We should be growing as a family instead of turning into the War of the Roses.

I got to the board 1 day after we got smoked like salmon and there were about 60 different QB threads I didn't have enough time in my day to read. I don't know who merged them all but I certainly wanted to thank them so I could pick and choose what I had time to prioritze in my reading for the week. When we get our asses handed to us on Sunday, I don't want to read 55 different subject headings that tell me Tom Brady doesn't play in Cleveland or that the next Eric Zeier didn't get his chance.

Anyway, sorry for rambling - I just didn't want to see people I enjoyed leaving this place especially when they didn't have all the facts. Nuff said!

- Tom F.

@flugel said:

Alot of us started out as just internet friends on the message boards. Before Stan took the bull by the horns with starting a message board that doesn't put adults in cyber timeouts - he got people from our previous boards together at tailgate parties as well as for road trips to preseason games and out of town scrimmages. Then he started this board and invited others to join as well and many newbies joined the tailgates. Friendships develop from this and trust gets built. That said, one has to earn trust to keep it. If I got a problem with Stan - the RIGHT way isn't to challenge him in front of an entire board full of mutual friends. I can PM him and air things out which also gives him a chance to explain. Ultimatims and people fussing about every little thing became the iceberg the Titanic never saw coming.

I think there's been alot of unfairness to Atenears because some are reading he's booting people because they yawned. Part of the truth isn't ALL of the truth. If you were a leader of something and people told you they just wanted to talk football and appreciate your board - you TRUST them when you see them doing just that.

NOW, if you're the leader and you see discontentd members complaining and challenging the leader as well as the moderators - don't you start to hope they go somewhere that doesn't insult you or your board every other day? I'm gonna side with Stan because I know his agenda isn't anything close to the accusations. I REALLY wished some people got more of the story than they think they have. I wasn't included in on many of the PMs and email distributions mainly because those sending them KNOW I would have provided SOME of the inconvenient truth they didn't want shared. That's fine I guess - but I think alot of this could have been avoided had I disolved the political agenda disguised by "I only want to talk football." There were 50 different topic headings about the QB that SHOULD have been just 1 thread. That way we can discuss the 21 other starters, STs and coaching staff as well.

I'm giving you the scoop today that many people didn't want you to have. I've ALWAYS enjoyed your company here Juki and what you post. It would suck if you didn't continue here. For those that don't think Stan isn't fair, Rich got more lives on our board than a cat with 9 so he'll give anyone a chance that "just wants to talk football." Unfortunately, alot of GOOD people were drinking contaminated Kool Aid and their minds aren't changeable. That said, I'm really happy to see guys like Alo and others posting on both boards. That's more than cool!

- Tom F.

Hey Tom...we agree on alot more than you think....but the main reason i venture back and forth is the fact that I cannot stand the fact that some people think DA is a good QB....He is not, nor will he ever be....for two and a half years he's been last in the NFL as a QB....it is an indefensable position to take when you say he is a good Qb...you can argue that he is a QB//// but not a good one...

Until Browns fans wake up and STOP with the Bernie vs Testicle,couch vs holcomb, frye vs anderson and anderson vs quinn or (your guy) vs My guy at the Qb position.... or your Qb verses the guy I wanted to draft(any position)....i am right you are wrong blah blah blah.....It does happen on every team with fans that do not have a franchise Qb(i understand) But here in Cleveland, as fans, we have taken this to a new fking low! We are already starting a new QB controversy about who to draft or not draft as qb...it is where all this crap begins....I was right when i wanted ricky williams over couch(see i can do it too)...you don't draft a QB #1 overall unless you have a Good OL in place....the Browns have a good Oline in Place...time for a Franchise QB...if you miss....try again and again and again! That's my two cents...if you want change too bad!

GO BROWNS!!!!!

Everyone else I met here (on various browns forums) first, and established a friendship. Firebiker and I realized that we knew each other first back on the old AOL boards, but he also could be in this small class of members I've met offline and pointed them to this site.

You make it sound like establishing friends here is a bad thing. If someone has a problem with an owner, admin, or moderator here, I can assure you that they are missing the point to the whole forum and should move on.

With that in mind, the entire implosion and move is pretty cut and dry.

You guys are shedding to many tears over the whole thing. We will continue to host and use a forum together as long as anyone wants too.

We aren't going anywhere. TheBrownsBoard is the same as it ever was, and if you didn't like it before, you won't like it now.

Too much is put into 'Stan this and Stan that', I have a pretty big sounding board here that I check with or answer too. This place is ran more by a governing board than many of you consider. I take all the blame and all the pats on the back, but the 'board' knows we share the drivers seat.

It is convenient for too many to put one face on the direction of this place, and if you need a target, I guess I'm it. But the fact that you need a target is the problem in itself.

TheBrownsBoard is where I'm staying. I've never been more excited and proud of TheBrownsBoard than I am right now. She's a beauty and wearing her stretch marks beautifully.

@damajuki said:

I think you and Kathy are touching on another issue at play here: this place was primarily -- and apparently is again -- a hangout for Stan and those of you who are personal friends with Stan. Those of us who are just internet pals who met through this place obviously don't have the same connection as the rest of you and I think this split reflects that. Stan has pretty much made it clear he's happier hanging with his friends and not dealing with the issues of running a public forum.

I think that's great. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with him doing that; it's his place and I respect that.

I have no problem lurking here and enjoying the interaction between you all. That aspect is one of the reasons I hung out here, after all; it seemed like real people talking, and I liked that.

My only issue is with how it went down. I'm not interested in blame; I'm interested in honesty and respect and I think those two things went lacking for a long while -- on MANY people's parts -- before things got out of hand.

Again, I'm only speaking up in defense of those of us who liked being here but were effectively told we weren't wanted. I have no problem with Stan decidincg who should be here and who shouldn't but I do have a problem with other people weighing in with their own personal biases and skewing the facts of the case.

That's all I'm saying. I appreciate you Originals speaking up and I really respect your support of your friend Stan. That's not phony internet sarcasm; that's the truth.

Best,

Juki

Thanks Juki!

Alot of us started out as just internet friends on the message boards. Before Stan took the bull by the horns with starting a message board that doesn't put adults in cyber timeouts - he got people from our previous boards together at tailgate parties as well as for road trips to preseason games and out of town scrimmages. Then he started this board and invited others to join as well and many newbies joined the tailgates. Friendships develop from this and trust gets built. That said, one has to earn trust to keep it. If I got a problem with Stan - the RIGHT way isn't to challenge him in front of an entire board full of mutual friends. I can PM him and air things out which also gives him a chance to explain. Ultimatims and people fussing about every little thing became the iceberg the Titanic never saw coming.

I think there's been alot of unfairness to Atenears because some are reading he's booting people because they yawned. Part of the truth isn't ALL of the truth. If you were a leader of something and people told you they just wanted to talk football and appreciate your board - you TRUST them when you see them doing just that.

NOW, if you're the leader and you see discontentd members complaining and challenging the leader as well as the moderators - don't you start to hope they go somewhere that doesn't insult you or your board every other day? I'm gonna side with Stan because I know his agenda isn't anything close to the accusations. I REALLY wished some people got more of the story than they think they have. I wasn't included in on many of the PMs and email distributions mainly because those sending them KNOW I would have provided SOME of the inconvenient truth they didn't want shared. That's fine I guess - but I think alot of this could have been avoided had I disolved the political agenda disguised by "I only want to talk football." There were 50 different topic headings about the QB that SHOULD have been just 1 thread. That way we can discuss the 21 other starters, STs and coaching staff as well.

I'm giving you the scoop today that many people didn't want you to have. I've ALWAYS enjoyed your company here Juki and what you post. It would suck if you didn't continue here. For those that don't think Stan isn't fair, Rich got more lives on our board than a cat with 9 so he'll give anyone a chance that "just wants to talk football." Unfortunately, alot of GOOD people were drinking contaminated Kool Aid and their minds aren't changeable. That said, I'm really happy to see guys like Alo and others posting on both boards. That's more than cool!

- Tom F.