@hoorta said:

We aren't going to get jack for either qb in the offseason, so let Anderson get his ass handed to him by a POed Bears team that just got blown out by the Bengals.

That gives the Browns the bye week to get Quinn back as the starter. Seriously, Quinn has a better qb rating than DA, for that matter so does Jamarcus Russell, who got yanked for BRUCE GRADOWSKI, remember him? If Mangini thinks Quinn isn't even practice squad material, he should play Ratliff, bring back Bartell, or let Cribbs run the WildDawg the rest of the year.

" Another game, another round of snaps keeping Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn(notes) from earning $10.9 million in salary escalators. With every Derek Anderson(notes) start, fans can only hope the franchise is going to use some of the money it saves by refunding season tickets. "

Best idea I've heard yet. If my math is right, I should be owed about a $300 discount on my 2010 season tickets for putting up with this joke that keeps trotting out on the field in Browns uniforms

I agree with almost everything you posted here. The lone subject I disagree with is Cribbs being your QB. He is way too important to your team to take that risk.

@d-qwimbley said:

Oh yeah, football is a team sport, individuals aren't judged on wins, its how they help the team who tries to win as a whole.

Fraley won 10 games as center in 2007. Bench the Mack kid, Fraley's a winner.

Keep sticking with Jamal Lewis, he won 10 games back in 07, and even more with the Ravens.

Obviously, you get my point. I'm not saying Quinn is the answer, i don't think he is. But he gives us a better shot right now, and neither of their trade values are high so taht doesn't matter.

No but we had a selfish tightend who could catch but not block. we had a great vet reciver who never drops a pass (jj) a better oline a better group of dbs (sean jones and Leigh Bodden) Im just saying we had a much better team. And BTW I did love Chud. Not Romeo but I think Chud did a good job calling the plays back in 07

@medicineman said:

Stupid statement. Shaun Smith/Ted Washington played NT and won 10 games. Should we bring him back over Shaun Rogers? Shaun Rogers continues to lose games, but we still run him out there every game. Why is that?

Oh yeah, football is a team sport, individuals aren't judged on wins, its how they help the team who tries to win as a whole.

Fraley won 10 games as center in 2007. Bench the Mack kid, Fraley's a winner.

Keep sticking with Jamal Lewis, he won 10 games back in 07, and even more with the Ravens.

Obviously, you get my point. I'm not saying Quinn is the answer, i don't think he is. But he gives us a better shot right now, and neither of their trade values are high so taht doesn't matter.

@medicineman said:

Seriously, at least we don't have to put up with the "Will they get a win?" discussions on ESPN.

@tn-browns-backer said:

Im just happy we got atleast 1 win. no matter how ugly it was

@daosupimp said:

2.5 games in this system.... and people think they can judge his future? IDIOTS....

AND against VERY GOOD defenses. We must add that, since D.A's claim to starting is a victory over a Buffalo Bills Defense where he still only completed 2 passes

@mastadave99999 said:

surrounded by rotisserie chicken and pictures of bill belichek making out with the jet's gm.

2.5 games in this system.... and people think they can judge his future? IDIOTS....

@hoorta said:

But here's the thing. Two coaching staffs have watched the kid practice every day and neither have been sold on him to the point where they had to have him on the field. Now Mangini is looking at paying the kid an $11 million escalator to prove what he thinks he already knows. Maybe Mangini's wrong. Maybe Romeo was wrong. Maybe the Dolphins and every other team needing a QB in waiting between the 3rd and 22nd spots were wrong.

But after the first two and a half games do you really think the outcome of any of these games would have been different with Quinn? Or that we'd even be able to tell whether Quinn is a franchise QB? The same drops would be amplified by the media. Did you see the rookies running open yesterday?? We'd be hearing about the need to get weapons around Quinn. We'd be hearing about how the OC doesn't know how to use his talent. All things mostly true considering both QBs, I think -- but things that get said when you have the more popular guy under center.

My guess is that Quinn gets his chance at least for the last 7 games. But the bet that $11 million under the cap can help a talent-starved team more than finding out what Mangini already thinks he knows about Quinn seems pretty reasonable to me.

BTW, what did McNown, Smith and Leaf prove with those extra starts?

Ask Cardinals fans whether the Leinert should have been given 9 more starts to prove he isn't Ryan Leaf.

The real losers here are us the fans and the massacred prestige of the browns once glorious history we all fought so hard to keep...as every division lead or bragging point we had has slipped away in the hands of the lerners..

@medicineman said:

It's like comparing who's shit stinks worse. Jimmy Johnson said they're both terrible and their market value is shotso.

When DA's agent said "my client is available for higher wages than the Browns are paying him" we got 0 takers. Do I blame Mankok for that? How?

The Savage plan was Trent Doofus, Charlie Frye on Deck, DA in the hole and Quinn in the draft. I've heard alot of "fire the OC" chants during this time and "the oline sucks" complaints.

Want to know what the worst part of the Savage plan was?

We only had 4 draft picks heading into the 2009 draft

That wasn't gonna get reversed overnight while the jets are 1-2 since Edwards arrived and Tampa hasn't won a game since committing to Winslow. DIVAS don't win games - TEAMS do.

- Tom F.

If you like physical humor this Cleveland Browns football team is for you. It's not roller-skating monkeys and clown cars but it's pretty damn close.

In Sunday's blow-out, 31-3 loss to the Packers the Browns gave you, for your viewing pleasure, multiple center-quarterback exchange fumbles, basic old fumbles, interceptions, hilarious chase scenes involving Eric Wright, Brodney Pool and Packers receiver Donald Driver, failed replay challenges, a short field goal attempt clanging off the upright (loudly) before careening through for three points, and countless other ‘Three Stooges' type moments.

http://www.theclevelandfan.com/article_det...257&ref=STO

@medicineman said:

Ryan Leaf got 21 starts to prove he sucked. Cade McNoun got 15 starts to prove he sucked- Akilli Smith got 17. We KNOW Anderson sucks. The season's shot- does it really matter anymore? So Quinn in your mind gets like 4,5 and you're certain he a bust? Quinn gets the rest of the season after the bye week to prove he ain't got it.

@medicineman said:

I'll say this- Quinn deserves more than 10 quarters of football to prove he sucks. Anderson has had 30 games- his total suckage is indisputable.

We aren't going to get jack for either qb in the offseason, so let Anderson get his ass handed to him by a POed Bears team that just got blown out by the Bengals.

That gives the Browns the bye week to get Quinn back as the starter. Seriously, Quinn has a better qb rating than DA, for that matter so does Jamarcus Russell, who got yanked for BRUCE GRADOWSKI, remember him? If Mangini thinks Quinn isn't even practice squad material, he should play Ratliff, bring back Bartell, or let Cribbs run the WildDawg the rest of the year.

" Another game, another round of snaps keeping Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn(notes) from earning $10.9 million in salary escalators. With every Derek Anderson(notes) start, fans can only hope the franchise is going to use some of the money it saves by refunding season tickets. "

Best idea I've heard yet. If my math is right, I should be owed about a $300 discount on my 2010 season tickets for putting up with this joke that keeps trotting out on the field in Browns uniforms

But i have seen that he is better than DA

@mastadave99999 said:

When the whole team sucks how can you blame either of these quarterbacks....

We all know DA had accuracy problems in 2007 even... Quinn however doesn't

Your argument isn't valid. We could make the comparison if we were maybe the saints...

He also won 10 games in 2007. Quinn shit his pants every down he played. Anderson would rather fumble or throw a interception. If you really think Quinn is good.....then you must be blind. I mean no dis respect but come on. We should not have either of these guys in the game. How many games should Quinn have? I say pull the plug on Anderson to.

When the whole team sucks how can you blame either of these quarterbacks....

We all know DA had accuracy problems in 2007 even... Quinn however doesn't

Your argument isn't valid. We could make the comparison if we were maybe the saints...