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Bad news for Brady Quinn: The Browns offense is so bad that not even Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Drew Brees could flourish in it, according to ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski.

Despite that, Jaworski, a member of the "Monday Night Football" broadcast team that will televise Monday's game against the Ravens, thinks Quinn still has what it takes to eventually take the Browns to the playoffs or a Super Bowl.

"I think he has a big upside," said Jaworski, a former Pro Bowl quarterback and 17-year NFL vet. "I haven't wavered on him since he came out of Notre Dame. I've seen flashes of a rock-solid quarterback. He needs experience and coaching, but he has the skill set to be a successful NFL quarterback."

Problem is, he'll have a hard time proving that with so little to work with, Jaworski said.

"It's not going to make a whole lot of difference who you put back there right now," said Jaworski, who's studied coaching tapes of six of the Browns' eight games in preparation for Monday night's Browns-Ravens rematch. "The components aren't in place for a quarterback to flourish. It's a slow, plodding offense. There's no separation from the receivers. You're throwing into tight windows all day. It's not an explosive group by any means."

And it's not going to become one overnight, he said.

"You need someone in the backfield that's more explosive," he said. "Jamal [Lewis] can give you that downhill, power running game, but there's really no threat to the outside. Defenses can compress the field and keep everything inside. You've got to find a game-breaker at wide receiver, and a No. 1 is hard to come by. You need more consistency on the right side of the offensive line and more speed at tight end. I don't think it's going to get done in one year."

The absence of playmakers is the biggest problem, he said.

"Braylon Edwards was the playmaker," he said. "He dropped some balls, but at least he was someone you had to worry about. With Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie, there's upside, but they're not going to be No. 1 receivers. Defenses won't fear them or double them. They're good, solid No. 2s and No. 3s. Josh Cribbs can make plays, but he's a gimmick and a gadget, not a consistent NFL threat."

Jaworski said the Browns' offensive scheme -- which features the short-passing game -- is fine, "but your tight ends can't run to stretch the field, and you're not going to open up voids in the middle of the field. You're very limited as a play caller. The best you can do is shorten games: run the ball, keep the game close, get in that fourth quarter with a chance to win. It's not the way I like to play, but when you look at this team right now, that's how you have to play."

He said the only offensive player who's turned in solid performances week in and week out has been left tackle Joe Thomas.

"Even guys like Eric Steinbach, I looked at the game against Denver, and he pulls out on a play and Mario Haggan just stones him," Jaworski said. "It's like, 'Wait, he should be a dominant player.' "

He called the five offensive TDs in the past 14 games "embarrassing, especially when Jim Brown had five TDs in one game and Tom Brady threw five TD passes in one quarter this season. I wish I could sugarcoat it for Browns fans, but that's the reality."

He said the Browns shouldn't have pulled Quinn after 21/2 games.

"Ten quarters is not enough to make a true evaluation," said Jaworski. "I looked at the first half of the [Ravens] game to find out why he was pulled. Obviously the interception was a bad decision, but I didn't see anything the next series that said, 'Get this guy out of the game.' "

Browns offensive coordinator Brian Daboll said a lot of thought went into the decision and he "hasn't had time to reflect on it" while trying to improve the offense. Jaworski said it's imperative to choose a quarterback and stick with him, especially if it's a young guy with promise.

"In this league, the quarterback is going to be get embarrassed," said Jaworski. "But you have to believe in him and not bail out when times get tough."

He said he's seen Quinn hold onto the ball too long at times but make good reads other times. "The consistency wasn't there, but it takes time," he said.

Jaworski said Derek Anderson, who went 1-4, is "not the right fit for this offense. He has some talent, but needs to be with a vertical passing game. I'm sure it's been very difficult for him just like it's been for Brady. I've counted 24 dropped passes, most in the NFL. They're getting no help."

He said he doesn't feel for Quinn, because this is a great opportunity for him.

"When a quarterback gets benched, embarrassed and to a certain degree humiliated, it's the worst thing that can happen to you so you come back with an 'I don't give a damn attitude,' " said Jaworski. "I kind of think that's how Brady will play -- but it will still be very difficult because of the personnel around him."

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@earl34 said:

I think that what we saw last night from Quinn was insulting. You may choose to blame him or the coaches or whoever but I think that it's a real indictment of a GM who spent the #22 overall pick on this guy. He shows NOTHING to suggest he warranted that pick. At this point, he's less of a QB than Vince Young (and that's saying something). If Quinn turns around and lights up the next three opponents then I will gladly retract the above but right now, his career is on life support. People around the league are watching.

I'm not going to bash Quinn, because that was a dreadful offensive performance all-around. But it was clear to me that the Baltimore corners were playing off the wides, taking away the vertical routes and keeping inside position, just daring Quinn to throw outside the hashes. These are guys that have been beaten over the top a lot this season. That's why the Browns tried so many bubble screens and two or three slants. Throwing them to Furrey was a waste. That only works if the receiver can slip the first tackle.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/137681https://brownsboard.com/post/137681Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:23:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:16:13 GMT]]>negative Earl.

what we saw last year from Quinn was an indictment of what he could do when he is surrounded by talent. Last year the only questions that were being asked was can he throw deep balls. This year he is being questioned on everything. Same for DA.

The fact that both QB's have no talent to help catch the balls thrown to them makes life much harder for these two and perhaps any QB who comes to our team. Perhaps we gravely underestimated the importance that KW2, JJ, Stallworth (cough) and BE bought to our team by not bringing in adequate reinforcements when they were let go.

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@kosarfan said:

Can't argue that. He did throw a few long no where near the receiver, but what else at this point do we have to work with. Just turn him loose for the remainder of the seaon.

KF, I think you'll see him get nearly the rest of the season. If he plays well, then the whole 7 games. Otherwise, I'd expect to see Ratliff get a shot. He certainly couldn't be any worse.

I think that what we saw last night from Quinn was insulting. You may choose to blame him or the coaches or whoever but I think that it's a real indictment of a GM who spent the #22 overall pick on this guy. He shows NOTHING to suggest he warranted that pick. At this point, he's less of a QB than Vince Young (and that's saying something). If Quinn turns around and lights up the next three opponents then I will gladly retract the above but right now, his career is on life support. People around the league are watching.

As Quinn and DA both battle for the cellar of NFL QB rating, you're left wondering if any coaching staff could really win with this paucity of talent at the QB position.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/137656https://brownsboard.com/post/137656Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:58:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:51:24 GMT]]>Can't argue that. He did throw a few long no where near the receiver, but what else at this point do we have to work with. Just turn him loose for the remainder of the seaon.

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@kosarfan said:

OUCH ! THAT really sucks.

Was Steve having concussion flashbacks or did he seem fairly cognizant ? 😕

If he was 'In Touch', that really hurts. 😡

I don't always agree with Young but I think when it comes to QB play...I can't really argue with what he was saying. Accuracy is one thing that is very hard to teach (if you believe that it can be done at all). On the last few throws, Quinn wasn't really under any pressure. He just wound up and fired it to the guy wearing the "X".

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@earl34 said:

Those rollouts were designed.

I think that the most telling comment of the evening came from Steve Young. He said that Brady Quinn (paraphrasing) didn't show him enough of anything to make him think he might be good enough to play in the NFL. I guess that means there was not a shred of positive that you could take from his performance. It didn't highlight any talent that the kid might have and that's on Quinn.

OUCH ! THAT really sucks.

Was Steve having concussion flashbacks or did he seem fairly cognizant ? 😕

If he was 'In Touch', that really hurts. 😡

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@kosarfan said:

Gruden was talking Quinn up. He recruited Quinn and talked about his work ethic, etc. Gruden said several times he thought Quinn had all the tools - himself - to be a great quarterback, but again, as Jaws said, nothing surrounding him. In the 3rd qtr. both Jaws and Gruden were saying Daboli should just let him air the ball out and see what happens. Keeping Quinn under wraps has done absolutely nothing. In a game like last night. it's already done, just let the new QB throw and get a feel for his capabilities. Even DA could hit SOMEONE every so often. Surely Quinn can hit guys more than DA.

Still bottom line, no one has the skill to get loose for Quinn to throw to. Furrey sucked last night and might as well be Braylon II dropping balls and looking spastic unless a ball was thrown directly on the numbers. The one time he did make a decent catch, had the field open in front of him, could have taken off and what happend ???........ he FELL down.

Daboli and Mangini ought to be ashamed of how they are holding back a talented kid like Quinn.

On a final note, completely agree with Jaws - no QB, regardless of how good he is, could do squat with the lack of time that pathetic offensive line gives the QB. The few times it appeared Quinn had a green light to throw somewhat down field, he had no time at all.

On a positive note - I liked the way Quinn started to realize he could'nt rely on the line and scrambled a few times right after the snap to try to make a throw rather than try to work in the pocket.

Daboli sucks and needs to be dropped yesterday !

The Lions will win this weekend and that will be nearly rock bottom.

Rock bottom will be Dec. 27 when we will get beat by Oakland.

Worst season of Cleveland Browns football ever.

Those rollouts were designed.

I think that the most telling comment of the evening came from Steve Young. He said that Brady Quinn (paraphrasing) didn't show him enough of anything to make him think he might be good enough to play in the NFL. I guess that means there was not a shred of positive that you could take from his performance. It didn't highlight any talent that the kid might have and that's on Quinn.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/137642https://brownsboard.com/post/137642Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:32:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:24:30 GMT]]>Gruden was talking Quinn up. He recruited Quinn and talked about his work ethic, etc. Gruden said several times he thought Quinn had all the tools - himself - to be a great quarterback, but again, as Jaws said, nothing surrounding him. In the 3rd qtr. both Jaws and Gruden were saying Daboli should just let him air the ball out and see what happens. Keeping Quinn under wraps has done absolutely nothing. In a game like last night. it's already done, just let the new QB throw and get a feel for his capabilities. Even DA could hit SOMEONE every so often. Surely Quinn can hit guys more than DA.

Still bottom line, no one has the skill to get loose for Quinn to throw to. Furrey sucked last night and might as well be Braylon II dropping balls and looking spastic unless a ball was thrown directly on the numbers. The one time he did make a decent catch, had the field open in front of him, could have taken off and what happend ???........ he FELL down.

Daboli and Mangini ought to be ashamed of how they are holding back a talented kid like Quinn.

On a final note, completely agree with Jaws - no QB, regardless of how good he is, could do squat with the lack of time that pathetic offensive line gives the QB. The few times it appeared Quinn had a green light to throw somewhat down field, he had no time at all.

On a positive note - I liked the way Quinn started to realize he could'nt rely on the line and scrambled a few times right after the snap to try to make a throw rather than try to work in the pocket.

Daboli sucks and needs to be dropped yesterday !

The Lions will win this weekend and that will be nearly rock bottom.

Rock bottom will be Dec. 27 when we will get beat by Oakland.

Worst season of Cleveland Browns football ever.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/137635https://brownsboard.com/post/137635Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:24:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:22:57 GMT]]>jaws.... Gruden was pretty harsh on Quinn and our entire team for a good reason. Quinn/DA it does not matter Daboll is terrible and our rookie recievers are not helping....

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berniesipe said:

When you say "gay" you must have brady quinn on your mind. Big Ben is by far the best QB in the league and a future hall of famer.

There are pictures of Brady Quinn rubbing dude's crotches..Who is the browns's center? He must have nightmares about Quinn's hands under him. lol

Gaydar alert.. Quinn is in he house.

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@yosemitejam said:

What is with Stain homos hanging out here all the time? At least some have some semblence of objectivity and brains but the new ones we keep getting are just stupid and lame.

Obviously this stain fan has man-love for BQ

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Any fan who does not recoginze that we are witnessing a player who will be remembered as the most intelligent tactician to play QB is missing out

B. Rothlesberger has a skillset that comes along once a generation......

Rarely do QB's dominate as he can

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/137220https://brownsboard.com/post/137220Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:13:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:22:07 GMT]]>What is with Steeler homos hanging out here all the time? At least some have some semblence of objectivity and brains but the new ones we keep getting are just stupid and lame.

Obviously this squeeler fan has man-love for BR.

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Any fan who does not recoginze that we are witnessing a player who will be remembered as the most intelligent tactician to play QB is missing out

P. Manning has a skillset that comes along once a generation......

Rarely do QB's dominate as he can

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/137208https://brownsboard.com/post/137208Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:22:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:52:25 GMT]]>You're right. He got outplayed by manning Brady rivers and Palmer yesterday.

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@mark-o said:

No one has questioned his talent. Just that he's not as good as Brady or Manning and this year probably Rivers and Palmer. Let's put it this way, I think it would be a long shot for Ben to make the pro bowl from the AFC.

Big Ben is not the superstar you think he is!

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@sez.ej said:

I love how one guy can throw a thread so off track on this board.. One troll thread and you guys take it hook line and sinker..

Back to the Jaworski article..which is excellent by the way and I give it credibility because he has watched the film. He makes no mention of Daboll as the issue with playcalling. If you notice he DEFINITIVELY places the blame elswere and notes the reason for the lame playcalling...If you didn't catch this..you should read the article again.. It's the players and the exectution that are actually holding back the playcalling according to Jaws.. I am not in love with Daboll.. but our offensive problems are NOT about him..

I haven't been a Daboll fan either, but I do agree that execution is key. These young receivers haven't yet learned to effectively adjust routes, etc. I have read that WR takes some time to really learn.

Mike

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@sez.ej said:

I love how one guy can throw a thread so off track on this board.. One troll thread and you guys take it hook line and sinker..

Back to the Jaworski article..which is excellent by the way and I give it credibility because he has watched the film. He makes no mention of Daboll as the issue with playcalling. If you notice he DEFINITIVELY places the blame elswere and notes the reason for the lame playcalling...If you didn't catch this..you should read the article again.. It's the players and the exectution that are actually holding back the playcalling according to Jaws.. I am not in love with Daboll.. but our offensive problems are NOT about him..

You caught that huh? I was just letting some of the brown fans vent their frustration 🙂

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/136842https://brownsboard.com/post/136842Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:14:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:47:45 GMT]]>I like Jaws and I respect his opinions.

Depending on the coach:

I've seen the Browns running the most rudimentary offense imaginable at the pro level because the head coach wanted to start simple and develop the playbook as the players were able to grasp it and execute.

I've seen the Browns throw in the occasional gadget play in an attempt to make the offense more "fun" and "interesting" for the players.

I've seen the Browns with a more complex playbook running around aimlessly on the field like a cat chasing a ball of yarn.

I think every possible combination has been tried.

The bottom line is you have to have disciplined players who are smart enough to understand the playbook and skilled enough to execute the plays. I believe this is where Mangini is trying to go. I also believe that one should have high expectations. It takes time for everything to come together but it all starts with having the right people. I like Mangini's philosophy as he's expressed it in the interviews I've read because I think it addresses all of these things. I hope he can make it work.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/136836https://brownsboard.com/post/136836Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:47:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:30:20 GMT]]>I love how one guy can throw a thread so off track on this board.. One troll thread and you guys take it hook line and sinker..

Back to the Jaworski article..which is excellent by the way and I give it credibility because he has watched the film. He makes no mention of Daboll as the issue with playcalling. If you notice he DEFINITIVELY places the blame elswere and notes the reason for the lame playcalling...If you didn't catch this..you should read the article again.. It's the players and the exectution that are actually holding back the playcalling according to Jaws.. I am not in love with Daboll.. but our offensive problems are NOT about him..

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@mark-o said:

You sir are an idiot.

Ever hear of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? Big gay Ben is maybe the 3rd best QB in the AFC...he might even be 4th behind Rivers, Manning and Brady.

Better than any of the QB's on our roster but certainly not the only QB who could improve the play of this team.

Agreed That Manning and Brady would also Be in that boat. Rivers ... Not sure he is more than The New Dan Fouts. A slinger , but not a BIG Winner.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/136814https://brownsboard.com/post/136814Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:05:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:16:53 GMT]]>I could care less who he plays for. He's not as good a QB as Manning or Brady, the stats prove that fact. Only an idiot assumes that the player on his favorite team has to be the best player in the league because he plays for his favorite team.

Nothing wrong with being the 3rd best QB in the AFC...my point is that he's clearly not the best in the league as one of your inbred Steeler hicks said or even the best in the AFC and with the season that Rivers is having along with Manning and Brady, Rothlisberger is going to have a hard time even making the pro bowl in the AFC. Manning is a favorite for the MVP and Brady is starting to put up stupid numbers and Rivers is carrying the Chargers (who have the worst running game in the NFL).

Too bad you can't be objective. It's not like we're sitting here saying the guy sucks...he's just not the best in the league or even in the AFC.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/136805https://brownsboard.com/post/136805Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:16:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:02:33 GMT]]>And with all that...you're still an idiot if you wouldn't take Brady or Manning over Worthlessburger.

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berniesipe said:

Most brown fans don't know talent.

No one has questioned his talent. Just that he's not as good as Brady or Manning and this year probably Rivers and Palmer. Let's put it this way, I think it would be a long shot for Ben to make the pro bowl from the AFC.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/136797https://brownsboard.com/post/136797Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:32:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:43:17 GMT]]>There is a reason they call all the players a team. It's not one person who is a deciding factor on a win or a loss. Why do you have to comment on Browns fans not knowing talent? It's not up to us to decide who we pick and sign. It's up to management. Why are you even wasting hours of your life on a Browns board anyways? I know that bully who took your lunch money had a Browns hat on but come on. This is the internet, stop running your mouth. Not one person here will think you are tough.

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nmills said:

well your obviously in love with Big Ben, that would lead me to beleive your a Steelers fan. I dont no any Browns fans that droll over big ben.

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Most brown fans don't know talent.

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