No OLinemen is going to contain their man 100% of the game, no one has and no one ever will. Its the QB's job to make a play when the OLine starts to come apart during a play. Not even Manning & Brady have perfect OLine's but when the pressure is coming they MAKE A PLAY

@hoorta said:

I don't think many are saying Quinn shouldn't play out the rest of the season...but it's pretty obvious qb is a problem with this team

Announcers can say manning wouldn't do well here...and they are correct....what they don't say is if Indy would still be undefeated with Quinn or DA at the helm...I tend to think their record would be close to .500.

In the long term, any qb on our roster is going to limit this team.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I agree about Steiny....way over rated...he is becoming a current Ross Verba.. standing on his rep more than actually playing well..

No question the line has to improve for any part of the offense to play even close to potential.

@atenears said:

IMO, It's because Quinn panicks and gains no respect from opposing defenses.

I don't know why opposing defenses give DA respect because he surely hasn't beaten anyone in years (except the Giants), but they do, or the line and backs pick up the blitz better ... but when Quinn is in, we can't even complete a forward pass for 6 yards.

Ah, it's the Ghoolie argument, just put DA back in and the o-line looks SO much better. Well, so what- Anderson completes lots of errant passes to the other team because he's in such a hurry to unload the rock- that is, when he's not fumbling the ball away. BTW, Jaworski said Manning or Brady would have sucked behind the pathetic showing our o-line put up last night.

We gave DA three seasons to conclusively prove he blows, (BTW, where IS Lumbergh lately?) Quinn certainly deserves the next seven games. Ratliff sure isn't going to be the answer either- since the season is in the toilet, we at least need to see for sure if a new qb is on our shopping list for next year.

@pumpkin-eater said:

Yea, me too! Even my 12 year old kid said "He can't even throw the ball in BOUNDS". Just GOD AWFUL!

@mario said:

Sure Quinn would do better with better WR's. We probably have the worst WR's in the NFL. We had Winslow & Edwards which we let go (maybe the right choice, maybe not). I think the big difference in 2007 was we had a REAL #2 WR in Joe J. He played a big part in that season in not allowing teams to just focus in on Edwards & K2.

Sadly we will see that Detriots Offense isn't really that bad when its clicking. Their D and O have more promise then our team, and I REALLY doubt we pull out a win in that game. I'd be suprised if we scored 10 points.

It doesn't matter how much money is put into our O-Line, they're only as strong as their weakest spot, and last night that was Eric Steinbach, plus the entire right side.

Sure Quinn would do better with better WR's. We probably have the worst WR's in the NFL. We had Winslow & Edwards which we let go (maybe the right choice, maybe not). I think the big difference in 2007 was we had a REAL #2 WR in Joe J. He played a big part in that season in not allowing teams to just focus in on Edwards & K2.

Sadly we will see that Detriots Offense isn't really that bad when its clicking. Their D and O have more promise then our team, and I REALLY doubt we pull out a win in that game. I'd be suprised if we scored 10 points.

However, I don't think we have much choice. I think we have to stick with him the rest of the year and see if he gets any better. Granted, I don't think he is the answer. I think we need to look for the answer after the season. But hopefully he can improve enough to try and cross the 50 yard line and maybe even score a goddamn touchdown.

We are drafting a QB in the first round next year, especially since we will have a top 3 pick. I'll bet the house on it. bye bye Brady

@ballpeen said:

Which post? Clarify things for me. After all, I'm just a simpleton.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

LOL....the post says it all..

@ballpeen said:

So were simpletons just because we don't agree with you?

@atenears said:

IMO, It's because Quinn panicks and gains no respect from opposing defenses.

I don't know why opposing defenses give DA respect because he surely hasn't beaten anyone in years (except the Giants), but they do, or the line and backs pick up the blitz better ... but when Quinn is in, we can't even complete a forward pass for 6 yards.

Give it up my man....it's just the way some people view it.....I agree with you, but it isn't worth the fight...really, why argue with simpleton's???

IMO, It's because Quinn panicks and gains no respect from opposing defenses.

I don't know why opposing defenses give DA respect because he surely hasn't beaten anyone in years (except the Giants), but they do, or the line and backs pick up the blitz better ... but when Quinn is in, we can't even complete a forward pass for 6 yards.

@kingphisher said:

.....which I am sure doesn't preclude him from taking a head coaching position if offered.

@hoorta said:

Now as to why all the short passes, did you notice how much time Quinn was getting to throw? More accurately, not getting? StClair is a turnstile, and I saw Steinback get beat like a drum when the Ravens only rushed three. That's rushing THREE, not some jailhouse blitz. What the hell happened to the o-line?

You had ringside seats, was anyone getting open?

Yeah, the 23 rating sucks, but you can't put all the onus on Quinn for those ints- that happened to totally change the complexion of the game. At least Quinn hit his receivers in the hands, unlike DA who happens to think Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are his primary targets when we play the Ravens.

Hey, I respect your opinion, and Zombo's -but this was sort of an unfair test for BQ. If he looks that bad against the Lions, I may have to join you in the dump Quinn camp, but before we do that, it's time to dump Dabol, and let Kosar be interim OC for the rest of the year.

I wish you were right. But the deep throws out of bounds really makes me wonder.

@atenears said:

I saw defenders shoot the gap and flop on their bellys at his feet, instead of floating in the pocket like he's been over-blown to be capable of, he panicks and throws the ball for dear-life.

Anyone know where I can get a chart that shows where his passes were thrown to? You know, like the shot selections the show in the NBA with dots on the floor. I would have to guess that about half of Quinn's passes were behind the line of scrimmage and the puke still couldn't complete half his passes.

He is 10x worst than Tim Couch was. Very similar players in that they have no vision down field and an all out blitz is very effective against them, but at least Couch looked to the 0-12 yard range, freaking Quinn don't even have vision beyond the line of scrimmage.

I've seen enough. I'd cut him this morning. I'm being serious.

ESPN did the charting for you Stan. Quinn only threw one pass longer than 12 yards when it mattered. You probably left before it was bombs away on that last series, but Quinn threw the ball 5 yards out of bounds on a couple 40 yard heaves.

Now as to why all the short passes, did you notice how much time Quinn was getting to throw? More accurately, not getting? StClair is a turnstile, and I saw Steinback get beat like a drum when the Ravens only rushed three. That's rushing THREE, not some jailhouse blitz. What the hell happened to the o-line?

You had ringside seats, was anyone getting open?

Yeah, the 23 rating sucks, but you can't put all the onus on Quinn for those ints- that happened to totally change the complexion of the game. At least Quinn hit his receivers in the hands, unlike DA who happens to think Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are his primary targets when we play the Ravens.

Hey, I respect your opinion, and Zombo's -but this was sort of an unfair test for BQ. If he looks that bad against the Lions, I may have to join you in the dump Quinn camp, but before we do that, it's time to dump Dabol, and let Kosar be interim OC for the rest of the year.

@pumpkin-eater said:

I think the ex-Jets and Maiava had a great game.

Rogers is solid, but he doesn't want to be here long term. Maiava has potential if he is not ruined by the coaching. Don't get me wrong, here and there we have talent (like Cribbs) but there is no solid core to build on.

@kingphisher said:

the LB core is a bright spot, along with Rogers at NT.

I think the ex-Jets and Maiava had a great game.

@brownindian said:

Quinn doesn't appear to be the answer, agreed, but he is in the worst possible situation he could be in as a young QB with limited Exp. Aaron Rodgers would be set up to fail in this offense (quick release and all). The WRs just are not getting open downfield and the O line is not giving anyone time to throw the ball. Our TEs suck balls so there are no decent short options and we can't run the ball to keep the defenses honest. I wanted to give Mangini the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of the season, but the coaching sucks right now too. This is just a bad team right now. We are about to find out how bad because we play KC, Oakland, and Detroit (The dreggs of the league) and I'll bet we don't stack up well against any of them. The way I see it, even if all the right personnel moves are made right now, it will be 3 years before we have a respectable club. There is no foundation to build from right now. I cannot see any bright spots right now. Can anyone else?

@the-gipper said:

He signed a 2 year extension with MNF yesterday

@atenears said:

Looks like we ousted the right whiners from this site ... much, much better dialog today.

With that said, I've already seen enough of Quinn (again). That kid is horrible and complete not worthy of this league.

I have no clue who we turn to now ... Ratliff would be the logical choice I suppose. I'd rather watch grass grow than Brady Quinn throwing passes behind the line of scrimmage for 60 more minutes.

I think the answer is that whomever you have to play QB, DA, Quinn, Fritz Pollard, you need to get him some weapons and you need to get him some protection, expecially on the right side of the line. Dan Marino could probably do nothing with this surrounding cast.

@samoth said:

Maybe we can get Gruden to coach? Would he be a reasonable choice?