@ebenezer said:

The stigma of a loser? Two winning seasons and a playoff appearance in NY? Beating Belichick in NE on national TV and Fisher in Tennessee (undefeated) the next week? 2-1 against Mike Tomlin?

The stigma of losing is on the Browns organization....not the coach.

BTW, the right not to be called a name that rhymes with xxxx should not have to be "earned" by anyone. It's a base and sophomoric play on a name to make you feel creative but really just serves to show how shallow you really are. Unfortunately, that's a stigma you can't wash off.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

You lost cause were a better team. Better teams win and that is what we did. GO BROWNS!

@diehardbrownsfan said:

So he's a genius because Brady Quinn had ~40 passer rating so he decided "I think I better just run the ball"? Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

The only offensive players I saw with toughness were Jennings Cribbs and the people who were blocking for them. That's it. The defense however was pumped. They played above and beyond what any of us would have expected. And that wasn't Mangini, that was Ryan.

Those players were pumped because, like they said, they knew how much this one particular win meant to the city of Cleveland. The players already had their own motivation for this one, Mangini didn't provide it.

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, because I love the win but 2-12 is still just not acceptable to me at the end of the day.

@ebenezer said:

While the win was amazing it didn't save the season in the eyes of the fans as Josh Cribbs said. I mean it did to a point, we all love seeing the Steelers lose, and more so when it's to us. But they're still 2-12. When the season is over that's not a record ANY of us should say we are proud of.

That win was solely on the defense and Ryan. Offense had nothing to do with it. Daboll we can all agree is worthless. You some some of that terrible playcalling last night. Screens when we needed long yardage etc.. That's on Mangini too. Daboll can cal whatever he wants, Mangini has to approve it.

Mangini is to blame for a lot of our woes, and when the afterglow of our win last night wears off, we're still a 2 win team. He has the stigma of loser on him, and it won't go away until he does.

Wrong. Savage and Crispy Creme are to blame. Mangenious is turning this team around. Making them tough physically and mentally. Something Crennel couldn't do. Mangenious is our future.

@peterbell said:

They would rather the Browns lose then have to admit their wrong whichs show what type of fans they are.

Seriouly Mangini beat the f**kin World Champions with a team of 'The Replacements" on defense..period.

He did it on a night when BQ couldn't hit the ocean with a beach ball.

This 'w" lets us Browns fans stick our chest out and walk with some pride sportin our Browns gear..

Mangini and "the replacements" also knocked the reigning SB champs Steelers out of the playoffs...Every Browns fan

should have a tear of joy in their eyes over that.

That game was won because of coaching..period and Mangini having the balls to play guys who deserve to play.

I don't want to hear shit from any Steeler fan of Mangini hater...Steelers go down to the Browns..Hell yeah

I'm honored you brought my name up, but no. My position is still firm on Mangini (the win earned the right not to be called Mangina for a week). I'm still a firm believer that he has to go.

While the win was amazing it didn't save the season in the eyes of the fans as Josh Cribbs said. I mean it did to a point, we all love seeing the Steelers lose, and more so when it's to us. But they're still 2-12. When the season is over that's not a record ANY of us should say we are proud of.

That win was solely on the defense and Ryan. Offense had nothing to do with it. Daboll we can all agree is worthless. You some some of that terrible playcalling last night. Screens when we needed long yardage etc.. That's on Mangini too. Daboll can cal whatever he wants, Mangini has to approve it.

Mangini is to blame for a lot of our woes, and when the afterglow of our win last night wears off, we're still a 2 win team. He has the stigma of loser on him, and it won't go away until he does.

@kosar_for_president said:

I think he was making a joke...

The Browns just won a xxxxing game against the Steelers lets not start this shit show name calling bullshit again! This isn't DA vs QUINN

@the-gipper said:

Besides, this was a Browns/Steelers game. It is supposed to be "ugly", i.e. hard hitting, low scoring.

Ya follow?

I'm not saying ugly games are bad games (especially if you win), and I prefer low scoring, hard hitting games over shootouts. The Steeler have won a lot of ugly games in recent history. This game was by far the ugliest I have ever seen, and I began saying that half way through the 4th quarter.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Any game in those conditions is likely to be an "ugly" game. Elswhere I documented how many "ugly" wins the Steelers have had against the Browns the last 8 or so years. The 10-6 or 16-13, or some such games. If you are willing to delete all of your "ugly" wins vs. our one "ugly" win you would be far on the downside.

Besides, this was a Browns/Steelers game. It is supposed to be "ugly", i.e. hard hitting, low scoring.

Ya follow?

@kosar_for_president said:

If you would have kept my two questions in context it was very clear I was asking you those two questions as proof the Browns played an ugly game. Whether or not you are a DJ "Spin Master K" is a good nickname for you.

You might not like it but me pointing out obvious facts isn't whining. You want to insult and name call, but don't want anything (especially facts) coming back at you.

Look back to your first post on this thread. Take notice in it you accuse me of something YOUR own quote of me proves false. Also, take notice of the first person on this thread who said that 9/16 passing for Quinn was rather pathetic. (Hint: it wasn't me)

This islikely the happiest this boartd has ever been. There is no need for your to start trouble.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Uhhhh....The Difference???? The Browns are pathetic and the Steelers are defending Super Bowl Champs. So that means that the Browns OVER achieved and the Steelers....TOOK A HUGE SHIT......clearly

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Every other Browns fan on this board is grateful for their big, exciting win. You still want to name call to anyone who makes a statement you don't like. That's not something I'd expect from you. You think you are entitled to something more than you usually are just becuase the Browns won a game. I myself certianly never acted the way you are after a Steeler win or loss. I know how to keep composer after a win or loss. I haven't seen any Browns fans trying to justify rediculous behavior becuase they have been able to handle success and had no reason to try to justify stupid behavior. They have all done a good job and handling success. Then, theres you.....

And still a whiny bitch. God please stop, I have a hang over and you sound like my girl at that time of the month.

@kosar_for_president said:

BROWNS WIN!!!! STOOLERS OUT OF PLAYOFF HUNT!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Our Brownies played hard last night, period. A win is a win is a win.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

100% BS. For your earlier posts, "How many false start penalties? How many bad passes?".

Sivlerback DPOY said:

You are right about BQ's performance not being stellar, but he did smart by not turning the ball over and leading the huddle - also let us factor in the freezing conditions: -10 degrees on the field. Plus this was a game the defenses dominated and ur defenses first half failure lead to your defeat.

listening to DVE on the way in this morning was the best xxxxing car ride ever.....stool fans are losing their minds! probably the most telling calls were those calling in saying, "well, there goes the playoffs. want to feel better? go pens!"

they're jumping ship already, which is the epitome of true front-running bandwagoners.

man, works gonna be a blast today!

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Every other Browns fan on this board is grateful for their big, exciting win. You still want to name call to anyone who makes a statement you don't like. That's not something I'd expect from you. You think you are entitled to something more than you usually are just becuase the Browns won a game. I myself certianly never acted the way you are after a Steeler win or loss. I know how to keep composer after a win or loss. I haven't seen any Browns fans trying to justify rediculous behavior becuase they have been able to handle success and had no reason to try to justify stupid behavior. They have all done a good job and handling success. Then, theres you.....

I'll be diplomatic for Kosar//Ahh//ya got spanked!!!!

and knocked out of the playoffs

FYI steeler fan ..we have 5 starters out on defense

'the Replacements' RULE

HAHAHAHA

@kosar_for_president said:

Week 2 - Win against Browns - 10 - 6

Week 11 - Win against the Chargers - 11 - 10 (really?)

Week 15 - Win against the Rat Birds - 13 - 9

Stop being a douche and take your medicine BOY.

You are clearly not used to winning. I never tried to justify why we lost, anyone who watched the geme knows why we lost, and anyone who actually reads what I have been saying knows I haven't made a single excuse. Surely the game was exciting. Everyone, including you, would agree. Everyoneone here, except you, are willing to admitt some aspects of the Browns performace were pathetic (same with the Steelers) and you wouldn't expect to win when you take into account those aspect. Quinn being 9/16 is nearly guarenteeing a Browns loss, especially against the Steelers. As we all know, the Browns won with BQ going 9/16 and no touchdowns.

Every other Browns fan on this board is grateful for their big, exciting win. You still want to name call to anyone who makes a statement you don't like. That's not something I'd expect from you. You think you are entitled to something more than you usually are just becuase the Browns won a game. I myself certianly never acted the way you are after a Steeler win or loss. I know how to keep composer after a win or loss. I haven't seen any Browns fans trying to justify rediculous behavior becuase they have been able to handle success and had no reason to try to justify stupid behavior. They have all done a good job and handling success. Then, theres you.....

@kosar_for_president said:

This is the problem Kosar..Dudes like Ebenzer and Gips are going to have to admit there wrong about Mangini

They would rather the Browns lose then have to admit their wrong whichs show what type of fans they are.

Seriouly Mangini beat the f**kin World Champions with a team of 'The Replacements" on defense..period.

He did it on a night when BQ couldn't hit the ocean with a beach ball.

This 'w" lets us Browns fans stick our chest out and walk with some pride sportin our Browns gear..

Mangini and "the replacements" also knocked the reigning SB champs Steelers out of the playoffs...Every Browns fan

should have a tear of joy in their eyes over that.

That game was won because of coaching..period and Mangini having the balls to play guys who deserve to play.

I don't want to hear shit from any Steeler fan of Mangini hater...Steelers go down to the Browns..Hell yeah

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Like I said douche bag, stop justifying why you lost to a 1-11 team. So when the Steelers win ugly like in 2008, it was a good game with good defense. Your a f*ck.

Week 2 - Win against Browns - 10 - 6

Week 11 - Win against the Chargers - 11 - 10 (really?)

Week 15 - Win against the Rat Birds - 13 - 9

Stop being a douche and take your medicine BOY.

@kosar_for_president said:

I would love to look back in history and see when the last time a Superbowl Champion lost to a 1-11 team, bitch.

UH, it's never happened before per NFL Network, and they're tied at all-time (5), for most consecutive losses by a SB winner. Hope they win a few, just to screw up their draft status.

Steelers-

lose Bengals

lose Radurs

Lose Cheifs

Lose Browns.

@kosar_for_president said:

The Browns put up a winning performance, but it was slightly less pathetic than the Steelers. How many false start penalties? How many bad passes? The Steelers played some good D and had a few big plays on O, just like the Browns. But if the two teams weren't playing eachother, both would have got a loss.

@earl34 said: