FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

Sunday, October 18 @ Pittsburgh Steelers CBS 1:00 PM L 14-27

Sunday, October 25 vs GREEN BAY PACKERS FOX 1:00 PM L 31-3

Sunday, November 1 @ Chicago Bears CBS 1:00 PM L 6-30

Monday, November 16 vs BALTIMORE RAVENS ESPN 8:30 PM L 16-0

Sunday, November 22 @ Detroit Lions CBS 1:00 PM L 37-38

Sunday, November 29 @ Cincinnati Bengals CBS 1:00 PM L 7-16

Sunday, December 6 vs SAN DIEGO CHARGERS CBS 4:05 PM L 30-23

Thursday, December 10 vs PITTSBURGH STEELERS NFLN 8:20 PM W 6-13

Where is the evidence of the Mangini statement ? Last week when SD Took their foot off the GAs ? The Lions Game ? OK THIS WEEK YES and Maybe the Bengals Game. I just don't see where Mangini is defiantly On Track yet. Now a couple weeks more like this... Ok . Just seems that ONE Big win over Pittsburgh has turned Mangini into a Savior all the sudden. Not sure all of Browns Backers of America agree on this point.

you need to add in all of Brady's anemic first games to really see the progression.

A good number of sacks came from the inability of Big Ben to extend the plays waiting for a receiver to get open.

He almost never could do it last Thursday.

I think there have been a lot of drills during the week to prepare for that.

So I'd probably not give the secondary a game ball, but I'd give them a honorable mention.

@brownindian said:

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

Uh... not according to the comments I read from their coach.

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

They'll get it.

@roach said:

Cribbs. He is definately the most pure football player on this team. He his tough and he carried the team. Period.

Dawson. He just went out there in absolutely popped the ball through the uprights in awful conditions. Obviously, his 7 points were the difference in this game. Each kick was huge.

Hodges. The conditions dictated that this was a game of field position. This guy stepped up.

Pontbriand. My man was on the front end of all the Dawson and Hodges plays. He is the best in the NFL at his position and he makes a difference.

Costanzo. This guy is absolutely amazing. i've been quietly watching #54 on the Special Teams and he is always one of the first to make contact or disrupt a returner. He belongs in an orange helmet.

Our D front 7. Wow. A bunch of no-names that kicked the shit out of Ben and the Superbowl champs. Way to go guys.

Coach Mangini. His team is getting it.

Some Good points there. However Question Mangini ? Coach Mangini. His team is getting it.

Sunday, October 18 @ Pittsburgh Steelers CBS 1:00 PM L 14-27

Sunday, October 25 vs GREEN BAY PACKERS FOX 1:00 PM L 31-3

Sunday, November 1 @ Chicago Bears CBS 1:00 PM L 6-30

Monday, November 16 vs BALTIMORE RAVENS ESPN 8:30 PM L 16-0

Sunday, November 22 @ Detroit Lions CBS 1:00 PM L 37-38

Sunday, November 29 @ Cincinnati Bengals CBS 1:00 PM L 7-16

Sunday, December 6 vs SAN DIEGO CHARGERS CBS 4:05 PM L 30-23

Thursday, December 10 vs PITTSBURGH STEELERS NFLN 8:20 PM W 6-13

Where is the evidence of the Mangini statement ? Last week when SD Took their foot off the GAs ? The Lions Game ? OK THIS WEEK YES and Maybe the Bengals Game. I just don't see where Mangini is defiantly On Track yet. Now a couple weeks more like this... Ok . Just seems that ONE Big win over Pittsburgh has turned Mangini into a Savior all the sudden. Not sure all of Browns Backers of America agree on this point.

@atenears said:

Offensive Total Yards (ranked): 16th in 2008, 20th in 2009

Rushing yards (ranked): 9th in 2008, 1st in 2009

Receiving Yards (ranked): 16th in 2008, 30th in 2009 (Hi Braylon!)

Scoring Offense (ranked): 9th in 2008, 17th in 2009

Ranked between 9th-16th in all of these major offensive catagories isn't something to cry about. It appears that the Jets have less "offensive creativity" since Mangini's departure, no?

Maybe they even miss Daboll too by the looks of things. This is going to sound homerish and almost foolish but here goes: I'm starting to feel like Stucky is more reliable than Edwards at this juncture of their careers. Keep in mind, we also got Trusnik and 2 more picks coming in 2010 while NY went from 3-1 to forgettable since they designated Edwards as their relaible playmaker. Alot of people were mocking this trade in the media and couldn't wait to show the fans from Cleveland how Braylon concentrates and focuses so much better in NY air. Good luck with that. Football is either your priority or it isn't. When Braylon made football a priority, I saw what he was capable of. Those days are in the rear view mirror. For example, the last time I watched him play a couple weks ago a perfectly thrown pass bounced right off his facemask and he also dropped a slant pattern. Translation: no big plays, no focus - just time to punt the ball again. Dejavue? You bet! It ain't the city - it's the dude and the tude.

The NY Jets won 9 games in 2008 and fired their coach. If that was underachieving, I can't imagine they're ecstatic about where they are heading in 2009.

- Tom F.

@ebenezer said:

Hines Ward. May his tears nourish the seeds of change in Cleveland and the AFC North for many years to come.

Only second to the tears of Tim Tebow on the sidelines last week.

Hines Ward. May his tears nourish the seeds of change in Cleveland and the AFC North for many years to come.

@ballpeen said:

It shows coaches coaching up....working with players they feel have "po".

It's a credit to the staff.

Like them or not, you have to give credit when credit is due.

And for the record, I like Mangini.

So do I. How can you NOT respect a man who clearly states his principles (as he has) & does not deviate from them? He is consistent & that is what this team needs.

Mike

@earl34 said:

How many of these "stop gap" guys came off of the practice squad or the street to contribute? For all of those people who have been ripping on the coaches for running "opportunity periods" with the bottom end of the roster....THIS is what those are for. Seems like there has been some coaching going on. Imagine that....

So working a little extra time on your craft can lead to better results...Imagine that!!!

@earl34 said:

How many of these "stop gap" guys came off of the practice squad or the street to contribute? For all of those people who have been ripping on the coaches for running "opportunity periods" with the bottom end of the roster....THIS is what those are for. Seems like there has been some coaching going on. Imagine that....

Good point.

It shows coaches coaching up....working with players they feel have "po".

It's a credit to the staff.

Like them or not, you have to give credit when credit is due.

And for the record, I like Mangini.

@gips said:

I am not giving him the keys to the city. I just think he has stayed the course through rough seas...now we are entering calmer waters.

The guy deserves some credit.

Nothing more, nothing less.

How many of these "stop gap" guys came off of the practice squad or the street to contribute? For all of those people who have been ripping on the coaches for running "opportunity periods" with the bottom end of the roster....THIS is what those are for. Seems like there has been some coaching going on. Imagine that....

Mangini DOES deserve a game ball. I still think he is on the right track with his system. After all, it's in it's FIRST year...how many years did Romeo have to evolve into a 4-12 team? Give Mangini 3-4 years & I'm betting we'll be far better. I say "stay the course".

Mike

@clevelandfanforlife said:

agree

@gips said:

If he can somehow win against both the raiders and KC then i would have to say i have seen progress....

Destroyed our offense? Have you forgotten about least season? Seriously dude your irrational hatred for Mangini is making you look foolish.

@gips said:

If he can somehow win against both the raiders and KC then i would have to say i have seen progress....

N.Y. JETS

Offensive Total Yards (ranked): 16th in 2008, 20th in 2009

Rushing yards (ranked): 9th in 2008, 1st in 2009

Receiving Yards (ranked): 16th in 2008, 30th in 2009 (Hi Braylon!)

Scoring Offense (ranked): 9th in 2008, 17th in 2009

Ranked between 9th-16th in all of these major offensive catagories isn't something to cry about. It appears that the Jets have less "offensive creativity" since Mangini's departure, no?

@gips said:

thats because you dont know how to measure success.

@gips said:

If he can somehow win against both the raiders and KC then i would have to say i have seen progress....

Yeah, that's a good point. One well-coached game does not a great coach make. And yet, those guys looked like they were playing hard on a cold night when they had nothing to win for but pride. And they looked well coached too.

@ballpeen said:

The guy takes a bunch of crap yet still maintains direction.

Yup the guy wins one game legit game and we give him the keys to loot the city..nevermind that he has basically destroyed our offense under the guise of rebuilding ,truth is he has no offensive creativity or even any idea of how to run an offense..thats why the jets fired him...but hey we get what we deserve just because we are stupid enough to remain browns fans! hehehehehe

If he can somehow win against both the raiders and KC then i would have to say i have seen progress....

it's pretty fortunate we have him on the roster to fill some of the void Rogers leaves, and hope it wasn't just the snaps he took at NT making all the difference.

if this keeps up, this opportunity could give Williams leverage in a couple ways. what's better is it's win/win for the Browns in every single scenario i can think of.

i know we've talked about it before, but....tell me again [whoever you all were] why Rogers couldn't play DE effectively?

question for the guys who watch D-lineman: have they ever lined up 4-3 with CW and SR as the D-tackles? could we run that as our base if Williams shows he has a true knack for it?

its not out of the realm to think he's finally coming around. it is only one game though....