@bearcatbrownsfan13 said:

He's an inch taller than Drew Brees.

And don't be surprised if the Walrus brings in Seneca Wallace as a short-term bridge to Colt McCoy. He's shorter than either. And McCoy will be available in the second because he's 6'1. What was Montana? 6'1. Steve Young was about the same. Garcia barely scratched 6' and he was a very effective WCO QB. A true WCO doesn't need a 6'6 Anderson type standing in the pocket. The QB moves to create throwing lanes.

Smith is not a ridiculous idea. He's a more accurate passer than Quinn and has a stronger arm. Whoever talked about Quinn's superior numbers at ND isn't factoring in that Smith was only a two year starter. Which is really on Tressell.

I felt he out-played Vince Young in their few meetings (of course that could have been because the Buckeye's defense was so awesome.)

I'm tired of what I've seen out of the QB position for the last 10 years here in Cleveland, I'd be all for trying something new.

@trodgers said:

I'm serious about Troy Smith. John Harbaugh was ALL kinds of excited about him ready to be their starting QB for opening day last year when he was interviewed on the Mike and Mike show. Then out of nowhere, Smith came down with a serious throat infection and lost about 15-20 pounds. I don't think he practed for about a month and so they went with Flacco much sooner than they wanted to. Just like San Diego drafted the protoypical sized QB in round to represent their future over their much shorter Drew Brees. When Brees left San Diego for New Orleans - he also had a surgically repaired shoulder many other teams wanted no part of.

I think Troy just needs the right opportunity and it's not like we gotta break the bank. I'll bet you anything you want to bet he's already BETTER than Quinn; and the problem with that is Quinn and agent demand 20 times the cap space. Let's not act like we haven't already had to gag on Trent Doofus, Charlie's Fryes, Luke McCown, DA and various other forgettable acts.

I don't know about Tebow - he's kind of getting that same kind of Vince Young hate from all the experts holding Doritos bags and cold beers on game day. Meanwhile none of them consider his leadership skills and intangibles that won over 95% of his starts. What's the conviction again? That type of STYLE from that type of offense will never work in the NFL. Isn't that nonsense the REASON we sent our waterboys to watch Donovan McNabb's workout? He came out of the Veer Option Offense orchestrated by George DeLeone up at Syracuse. All the experts that watched Favre transition into stardom from the SAME exact college style of offense never once worried about transferrables. McNabb has only led his team to 5 NFC Championship Games because again he was NEVER going to work at the NFL level.

- Tom F.

@gmp said:

Give me Tebow!!

I would love Tebow. As a 5th-6th round pick. And as a TE or a skill-position player.

@cardiac-kid said:

Yep, Quinn was indeed the better QB. more yds, more tds, better college career numbers overall. now if ND only had a decent D

@bigbrownsfan said:

Whats your point, exactly? WHat's that Heisman done for him in the NFL? Nada.....

My point was simply who was the better college QB.

STOP.

it's not a way we're going. Think and dream about it all you want, most of us simply don't see it happening.

(but then again.................this is Cleveland...)

@gmp said:

Give me Tebow!!

why? to see him cry on the sidelines at the end of every loss?

@bearcatbrownsfan13 said:

Drew Brees?

@bearcatbrownsfan13 said:

I'm not saying that Troy Smith is the answer for the Browns. But, I will say that the knock on Drew Brees was that he is too short...I don't think that you have a very good argument there!

@cj12 said:

+- Strong arm, mobility which could help.

-- Short.

How'd that other local boy work out!!! stinka-rooonie!!

Give me Tebow!!

@socaldog said:

It's not Quinn or DA or anyone at QB...they all have been bad for one main reason/constant..... Brian Dumbell.

Quinn kept overthrowing or underthrowing...how is that OC fault.

@trodgers said:

Trodgers,

Good point about the stats. He had some good highlights too. The trouble with that is we don't play Army, Navy, Air Force, Stanford, Michigan State and all those other teams you can get stat fat with. It seemed like he laid eggs against Bowl opponents and the real teams on the schedule. This might be why there were mixed reviews with the scouts or Quinn doesn't slide all the way into the 20s of round 1 and to a team that already made the 3rd selection overall. The same guy that drafted Kyle Boller and Charlie Frye was the taker. FWIW, Savage also felt starting his gig out with Trent Dilfer as leadoff QB, Frye on deck and the battle of DA & BQ in the hole did just that. Mangini had to dig to China to get us out of the Savage hole. Thank God Phil didn't trade up to get the QB he really wanted: Dumbarcus Russell.

Troy has some degree of experience and Harbaugh wanted to start the kid in 2008 before he lost almost 20 pounds to a freaky throat infection. I'd like to see the battle of Troy here. Pretty spirals doesn't win football games and ALL those Chicago fans that couldn't wait to replace a WINNER at QB are watching some of the best spirals ever delivered to the opposing jerseys. Meanwhile, Denver is a more legit contender in 09 than they were in 08 minus the Cutler millions. Winners win and I think Troy reminds me alot of Drew Brees with the non-proto-typical height but good vision. I saw alot of poise in him too. I swam against the grain and gave him 1 mulligan in college because he won most of their BIG games.

I hate the idea of training another inexperienced QB because it feels like we've spent a decade on hurry up and wait while we debate love or hate. There's been about 20,000 fire the OC and Head Coach threads since 1999.

- Tom F.

@bearcatbrownsfan13 said:

hes to short huh???what about drew brees i thought he was too short. if your a good qb your a good qb

but the guy's got the right mindset for a player I'll give you that, hes the definition of a team player

@flipflop said:

as does their OC compared to Dumbell.

It's not Quinn or DA or anyone at QB...they all have been bad for one main reason/constant..... Brian Dumbell.

@cardiac-kid said:

LOL, yeah and so was Eric Crouch....and Gino Torreta...and Charlie Ward...and Andre Ware....and Danny Wuerffel... and .... shall I continue?

Troy Smith is a potential starter..... in the CFL or UFL.

Take off the scarlet and grey glasses...yeesh.

@bonedawg said:

First one must have a mind to lose.

@flipflop said:

Ron Jaworski is in love with Henne. From your personal observations, what is it that you like about Chad?

@cj12 said:

+- Strong arm, mobility which could help.

-- Short.

GREAT idea! Beleieve it or not< I was actually thinkign about this on my drive into work today so this is really ironic. He was actually my favorite Qb in that draft. Worth mentioning, if he didn't get a serious throat infection in the 2008 preseason - Harbaugh was gushign over his camp and indicated he was the starting QB slated for the opener.

In short, I would LOVE to see us add Troy Smith and I think he could be had for garage sale prices. After watching Quinn in his 3rd year - I think it would be a GREAT move.

The guy had 1 bad game in college and everyone made it the rule instead of the exception to it. His last 2 years QBing at Ohio State were my favorite years. When he went John Elway on Michigan both times it was a thing of beauty. Winners win. Nobody really pegged Drew Brees or Tom Brady for stardom. One wasn't proto-typically tall while the other was the 2nd most popular QB on his college team to some kid called a freshman sensation.

- Tom F.