@drunkandstoopid said:

Good point Drunky that game was a lose lose for the whole team.

@eggo31 said:

Not weird at all. Playing it safe was why BQ was benched that game. Anderson was basically instructed to air it out & everyone on the field knew it. Pick another game to complain about turnovers, there are better examples.

@lumbergh said:

Hey tough W for you and BQ Nation to swallow yesterday. All the Quinnies wanted for Christmas was a Raider win.

Anderson goes to 15-14 over the last three seasons.

Local Boy Toy Quinn is looking up at him with his 3 Ws in 12 tries. One third as many starts, one fifth as many wins.

Silver Lining - Record Books: Quinnie holds the distinction of not throwing a TD pass in any of the 3 games he won, an NFL record.

Tough luck for the Quinnster about the foot boo boo. I know Dabes just started to find him some success…by letting Cribbs take all the 3rd down snaps. And I’ve been told that he has made some amazing checkdowns…sweet.

And by the way, it’s not odd at all that Holmgren (qb guru) takes the president job and Lady Quinn goes on IR the with a mysterious injury the very next day is it?

Hey I wonder if Holmgren remembers Anderson dropping 364 on his Division champ Seahawks in 2007?

I noticed that once again BQ Nation is guaranteeing that Anderson will be cut. I believe this is the third consecutive season with the same prediction. Third time’s a charm?

Reportedly Anderson will get the axe because of his salary. Hmmm ever wondered how Anderson’s salary will affect the cap when there is no salary cap?

What is the over-under on how many decades we’ll hear BQ Nation say “we just don’t know about Brady yet, we can’t tell, it’s too early to say”

Enjoy watching Derek Anderson start his 33rd game for the Browns next Sunday, and Brady Quinn’s 36th game on the BENCH.

ROTFLMAO! Riffer, you did it. You got Loverboy out of retirement for us. Unless it was the career day with the 47% completion rate.

I never thought I'd say this but I missed that Lovesick Lancelot for DA. Only this version doesn't have any interest in the Queen. It looks like Loverboy brought alot of cheerleaders with him too. Unfortunately none of them are females. Oh well!

- Tom F. (I was beginning to think we were going to hear Casey Casem with a long distance dedication of "You Don't bring Me Flowers Any More" from Corvalis to Lake Erie)

@eggo31 said:

Are we really going through this again? Can't we just be happy we won another game? Im a Browns fan. I want to win and will take that win anyway we can. So who cares who the qb is or was.

@drunkandstoopid said:

throwing three ints in a half after replacing the starter is weird...or throwing twice as many int's than td's is weird too

@brownindian said:

And, how does building muscles relate to not being able to predict where his receivers will go ? doesnt that require using the brain ? And isnt Quinn supposed to be a smart kid ?

I dont know if Quinn is the answer or not, and so far he has not proven it. While im up for giving Quinn more chances and show improvement, Im not going to get into blind worship.

My biggest concern with Queen so far is how he looks completely on a different page at times from the receivers. He's never going to be lights out accurate, but the kid has some pretty good qualities you want in a QB. However, those throws that you just go "WTF" like the pick in the KC game leave me wondering if he can ever become a solid starter.

He also is now showing an injury proneness, but I still think he can improve greatly next year with some continuity. If not, he's done. If they bring in someone better so be it, that would be okay too.

@merlin said:

I want to see Quinn given a full off-season and training camp to build chemistry with his offense, be trained by a Holmgren-appointed QB guru (if not Holmgren himself), and play the entire 16 game season. That would provide a completely fair and thorough evaluation of Quinn. If you look at his numbers at Notre Dame, he steadily improved year after year. I think that Quinn`s ceiling is still quite high, but all of his mishandling has resulted in shattered confidence. He`s screwed up his mechanics, overworked out and built up so much muscle he`s lost his fluidity, and he is no longer confident about being able to predict where his receivers will go. Given a proper learning environment and the proper teacher, I believe Quinn can get back on track and reach his potential.

It would be a real, real shame if Quinn were cut or traded, ended up on another team, and showed what he could do when given a real shot and proper training.

good post-now prepare for a beat down.

@merlin said:

I want to see Quinn given a full off-season and training camp to build chemistry with his offense, be trained by a Holmgren-appointed QB guru (if not Holmgren himself), and play the entire 16 game season. That would provide a completely fair and thorough evaluation of Quinn. If you look at his numbers at Notre Dame, he steadily improved year after year. I think that Quinn`s ceiling is still quite high, but all of his mishandling has resulted in shattered confidence. He`s screwed up his mechanics, overworked out and built up so much muscle he`s lost his fluidity, and he is no longer confident about being able to predict where his receivers will go. Given a proper learning environment and the proper teacher, I believe Quinn can get back on track and reach his potential.

It would be a real, real shame if Quinn were cut or traded, ended up on another team, and showed what he could do when given a real shot and proper training.

college studs can become NFL duds ! It does not matter who u are and where u are drafted. In the NFL it starts with a clean slate.

And, how does building muscles relate to not being able to predict where his receivers will go ? doesnt that require using the brain ? And isnt Quinn supposed to be a smart kid ?

I dont know if Quinn is the answer or not, and so far he has not proven it. While im up for giving Quinn more chances and show improvement, Im not going to get into blind worship.

@merlin said:

I want to see Quinn given a full off-season and training camp to build chemistry with his offense, be trained by a Holmgren-appointed QB guru (if not Holmgren himself), and play the entire 16 game season. That would provide a completely fair and thorough evaluation of Quinn. If you look at his numbers at Notre Dame, he steadily improved year after year. I think that Quinn`s ceiling is still quite high, but all of his mishandling has resulted in shattered confidence. He`s screwed up his mechanics, overworked out and built up so much muscle he`s lost his fluidity, and he is no longer confident about being able to predict where his receivers will go. Given a proper learning environment and the proper teacher, I believe Quinn can get back on track and reach his potential.

It would be a real, real shame if Quinn were cut or traded, ended up on another team, and showed what he could do when given a real shot and proper training.

Great post Merlin you hit that one right on the head.

@atenears said:

I thought that was a rather intriguing endorsement for Derek Anderson by Holmgren.

I just might bet my right nut ...

You do that. In the meantime back in the real world...

I want to see Quinn given a full off-season and training camp to build chemistry with his offense, be trained by a Holmgren-appointed QB guru (if not Holmgren himself), and play the entire 16 game season. That would provide a completely fair and thorough evaluation of Quinn. If you look at his numbers at Notre Dame, he steadily improved year after year. I think that Quinn`s ceiling is still quite high, but all of his mishandling has resulted in shattered confidence. He`s screwed up his mechanics, overworked out and built up so much muscle he`s lost his fluidity, and he is no longer confident about being able to predict where his receivers will go. Given a proper learning environment and the proper teacher, I believe Quinn can get back on track and reach his potential.

It would be a real, real shame if Quinn were cut or traded, ended up on another team, and showed what he could do when given a real shot and proper training.

I thought that was a rather intriguing endorsement for Derek Anderson by Holmgren.

I just might bet my right nut ...

@eggo31 said:

I agree. It would take some unusual circumstances he isn't....it would take Holmgren thinking he has it over BQ, which he may, AND it would take Anderson to restructure his contract to a much lower rate.

You add those two together and it isn't likely Anderson sticks around.

At this point it is more about money spent on the position for the production more than it is about the team wanting or liking Quinn more.

I am convinced Quinn didn't have to go on IR and think it was possible he could play some more this season but the team didn't want to risk that 70% of snaps so just put him on the shelf and eliminate that possibility.

The last 3-4 games we haven't been 3 and outing as much, so with a good running game that sustains drives, he may have been able to get enough snaps to get it pretty close.

Why risk that when you have a easy way out?

@alendor said:

No, you have it correct. The whole team didn't bum rush him.

@osusev said:

I only have two to pick from, forgive me if I back the one that has a FRANCHISE home game record and shows some offensive spark compared to the other one who has been pretty consistently an offensive dud....

Forgive me if I don't take the one with a 40 something QB rating. That's just me though. Granted, I don't have a love for plaid and wool like you do. I don't buy into the lumberjack look so much, but that's just me.

@hoorta said:

DA can develop a "Short Game"? Um, nope, and you saw that on display again on Sunday. How much more time you going to give a former sixth round draft pick to "develop"? And on the all important intermediate routes, DA's not much more accurate, (he had MoMass for a TD if he hadn't thrown the ball 3 feet behind him), and is still throwing dumb ass stuff into coverage.

I will take the TD he did throw instead of the dink and dunk sub 100 31.5 comp rating and other games like the steelers and the Chiefs game we win IN SPITE of no production from the QB who gets BAILED out by cribbs in third down situations.....

I only have two to pick from, forgive me if I back the one that has a FRANCHISE home game record and shows some offensive spark compared to the other one who has been pretty consistently an offensive dud....

@osusev said:

DA will score more and so will our offense, he will also toss more interceptions.... you have to be able to risk it to make it, BQ wont risk it but he also cant deliver more tds because of his limitations....

*edit* yes BQ can deliver a bomb (also not very accurate) but that is not the arm strength and accuracy we are talking about.... I know some of his backers think that throwing a rainbow bomb=arm strength

I have my doubts about Quinn- but I no longer have any doubts about Anderson.

DA can develop a "Short Game"? Um, nope, and you saw that on display again on Sunday. How much more time you going to give a former sixth round draft pick to "develop"? And on the all important intermediate routes, DA's not much more accurate, (he had MoMass for a TD if he hadn't thrown the ball 3 feet behind him), and is still throwing dumb ass stuff into coverage.

@eggo31 said:

Quinn is definitely less money. More potential? How 'bout throwing a TD at some point when a victory is possible? This never throwing a TD in a win in your entire career thing is weird.

@mark-o said:

Beavis and Butthead were never cool. If he wanted cool, he'd have these guys as his avatar:

@lumbergh said:

Bradies Ladies are just pissed that DA makes fat bank while Quinn makes diddly.

And the only philosophy Quinn fits into is the "stand over by the sideline while Cribbs takes the snaps" Offense.

good one lum da has looked like a pro-bowler all yea right lmao.....but either has quinn but as looking at the season as a whole quinn has looked better and showed more potential, and for less money next year....your the one browns fan if you call urself that, that can make a steelers fan look straight

@d-bone said:

yea he had a good game but u can bet ur right nut he will be gone next year

@ballpeen said:

i may not have all my facts right, but i recall that only smith punched him. not smith punched him and the whole team joined in to be the tar outta him. to say an entire team hates someone just because one person has an issue with them is pretty dumb imo.

@dj_illness said:

They were ever cool?

@ballpeen said:

At the end of the season we can compare BQ's best showing for a season with Anderson's best showing for a season....

What is that going to show??? Answer.....not much.

In the end, I am confident that football people around the league feel that Anderson has a higher ceiling than does Quinn.

My hope is neither one of them is on the team next year. I think Anderson is too inconsistent and think Quinn is a punk who gets punched in the mouth by teammates.

I have been around a while....i can't remember reading of another QB getting punched in the face by another player on his team.

You can write it off as Smith was a punk, and he was, but it goes beyond that. Quinn just isn't liked by his team...and that will never work.

What is it with these Notre Dame QB's getting punched in the face? First BQ, then Jimmy Clausen. It's ridiculous.

I can't recall another QB getting punched in the face, but my junior season I got into it with a WR on my team and our QB blindsided me, jumped on my back and then choked me out. Then we became great friends. Fights happen all the time at practices. It's kind of hard to say the team hates Quinn just because a random thug who got traded anyway punched him out in the weight room.

As for the ceiling, with the way the NFL is evolving, it's hard to say which QB has a higher ceiling. The NFL is becoming a haven for the West Coast offense as of late, with more coaches looking for YAC receivers than speedsters. DA has more physical tools and would have been a better quarterback 10-15 years ago, but now I don't know. I'm not saying BQ is particularly adept at throwing short, it's just the only thing I've seen him do.

Tom Brady made the checkdown pass famous, damn him, and now it's catching on. I'm seeing too many block and release routes from the RB, it's taking the fun out of the NFL.

@ballpeen said:

At the end of the season we can compare BQ's best showing for a season with Anderson's best showing for a season....

What is that going to show??? Answer.....not much.

In the end, I am confident that football people around the league feel that Anderson has a higher ceiling than does Quinn.

My hope is neither one of them is on the team next year. I think Anderson is too inconsistent and think Quinn is a punk who gets punched in the mouth by teammates.

I have been around a while....i can't remember reading of another QB getting punched in the face by another player on his team.

You can write it off as Smith was a punk, and he was, but it goes beyond that. Quinn just isn't liked by his team...and that will never work.

What is it with these Notre Dame QB's getting punched in the face? First BQ, then Jimmy Clausen. It's ridiculous.

I can't recall another QB getting punched in the face, but my junior season I got into it with a WR on my team and our QB blindsided me, jumped on my back and then choked me out. Then we became great friends. Fights happen all the time at practices. It's kind of hard to say the team hates Quinn just because a random thug who got traded anyway punched him out in the weight room.

As for the ceiling, with the way the NFL is evolving, it's hard to say which QB has a higher ceiling. The NFL is becoming a haven for the West Coast offense as of late, with more coaches looking for YAC receivers than speedsters. DA has more physical tools and would have been a better quarterback 10-15 years ago, but now I don't know. I'm not saying BQ is particularly adept at throwing short, it's just the only thing I've seen him do.

Tom Brady made the checkdown pass famous, damn him, and now it's catching on. I'm seeing too many block and release routes from the RB, it's taking the fun out of the NFL.