@ballpeen said:

Mangini or whoever ends up coaching isn't going to be void of voice.

This isn't like the manager at the local Burger King telling the grill man how many burgers to start cooking.

True.

But trust this, The Walrus will be quality checking those burgers.

@atenears said:

Quinn had a big game against the Lions, they may have room on their roster.

Sounds like he hasn't made up his mind yet and wants to take his time to review the situation. And we should all hope that he has this type of patience.

It's not about DA or Quinn. It's about the long-term future of our franchise.

Quinn had a big game against the Lions, they may have room on their roster.

@hoorta said:

Let's compare that to the season Drew Brees is having- 4,400 yards (with a game to play) 70+% completion rate, and 110 qb rating. That thar be a true "great" season.

Fair enough, but now we are debating the definition of great v good...the point is if you could hand the fans the numbers DA put up and said here are the numbers your guy is going to produce next season, I don't think many would say that isn't very good and would look to pass.

It doesn't really matter any longer. Before next season starts, one or both of our current QBs will be gone....both I hope ....but if I had to keep one, it would be Anderson....but now we are back to the beginning again...

@ballpeen said:

Just say it....it was a great season.

In baseball, if you hit 50 dingers, that isn't a fluke. You may never do it again, but you have the ability, and in sports, that goes a long way....and that's what this boils down to....projectability.

Neither does it time after time, so you have to guess who is going to do best.

'Peen it was a "pretty good season". DA didn't crack the magic 4,000 yard barrier, and his completion rate- 56%, (mediocre) and qb rating 82 are just "good".

Let's compare that to the season Drew Brees is having- 4,400 yards (with a game to play) 70+% completion rate, and 110 qb rating. That thar be a true "great" season.

@dumasswhiteguy said:

Please, please no more QB controversy!!!

Holmgren can look at the season, inquire about the plays with coaching staff, ask them their opinion... and ignore it all or take their advice. If for some reason they all come to the conclusion that DA is worth keeping for a year or two and moving BQ, it wouldn't surprise me if the contract was reworked to where he was paid like a highly paid 2nd teamer next year with potential for larger figures in '11 and '12 than his current contract gives if he's still with the team...

Nothing is written in the stone.

@mopaji said:

I agree.

You always have to have a tie breaker, but that doesn't mean you go in to every meeting determined things are going to go exactly your way.

People do work together. It isn't always about ego.

Good leaders tend to be good listeners.

Large corporations don't have a myriad of vice presidents for no reason. The reason is CEO's want input from people who's opinion they respect, even if it differs from theirs.

@clevelandfanforlife said:

The fact that Lerner once again stayed away from the game, keeping his distance from Mangini, might also indicate that Holmgren has given his "boss" an indication of which way he's leaning.

Just an observation.

@ballpeen said:

Just say it....it was a great season.

In baseball, if you hit 50 dingers, that isn't a fluke. You may never do it again, but you have the ability, and in sports, that goes a long way....and that's what this boils down to....projectability.

Neither does it time after time, so you have to guess who is going to do best.

Everybody has the ability, or else they wouldn't be in the NFL. Do you think the NFL is filled with average joes? All QB's might not have the same skill set, but more or less the players are drafted by people who have seen what they can do, and believe the system in place fits with the QB. More than anything, being a successful QB in the NFL comes down to two things. Intelligence and confidence. BQ has the intelligence, and DA has the confidence. They both have the physical skills to put together massive seasons, a la DA's 2007 season. It was a great season, I won't deny him that. It was fan-motherxxxxing-tastic, and I loved every minute of it. But he hasn't been able to re-create it, and BQ hasn't been able to even get a start on one. It's a battle between a "has-been" and a "never-was" right now. I'm not sure which one I'd rather have.

The irony of the situation is that if we could combine BQ and DA, we'd easily have a perennial Pro Bowler. They are two complete opposites; each one possesses a skill that the other lacks.

@ballpeen said:

Mangini or whoever ends up coaching isn't going to be void of voice.

This isn't like the manager at the local Burger King telling the grill man how many burgers to start cooking.

He said its his job to convince the coach of his ideas. He also said he will basically be a tie breaker in the war room.

Just say it....it was a great season.

In baseball, if you hit 50 dingers, that isn't a fluke. You may never do it again, but you have the ability, and in sports, that goes a long way....and that's what this boils down to....projectability.

Neither does it time after time, so you have to guess who is going to do best.

@ballpeen said:

You fluke in to a decent season....not a great season.

He had a good season, sure. But so did the 3 other AFC QB's ahead of him on the Pro Bowl roster. It's not like he was the only one.

@kosar_for_president said:

He is going to....and as he said it won't be a dictatorship....as a former coach he knows a coach wants certain guys on the squad who bring something that doesn't always show up on film.

Mangini or whoever ends up coaching isn't going to be void of voice.

This isn't like the manager at the local Burger King telling the grill man how many burgers to start cooking.

@theclevelandsound said:

Sorry man...not to sound like a Anderson guy.....you don't fluke in to that.

You fluke in to a decent season....not a great season.

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I can see control of the roster occasionally being a problem when looking at short term value versus long term value. Keeping an older vet who doesn't have longer term potential might help you for a little while but prevents you from keeping a player who can become very good. Someone like Benard LB comes to mind. We could have brought in a bunch of over the hill vets and never would have known that Benard could become a very good player.

Another possible issue is if Holmgren wants Dabol replaced. Dabol has said that he would love to sit down and talk offense with Holmgren so maybe he can learn from Mike.

@theclevelandsound said:

I'm sure holmgren will see the complete da melt down of the 2nd half that 2007 season as well and his 08 and 09 games. He will also have all of the game film on bq. Holmgren is a qb maker, he is the right man to get our qb situation together.

@theclevelandsound said:

If Holmgren picks up DA's 7 or 9 million option, whatever it is, he should be one and done as czar. If DA stays he needs to understand his market value and get paid like the back up he would be on any other team.

Please, please no more QB controversy!!!

@theclevelandsound said:

He actually watched Quinn's tapes up until the Garo Yepremian imitation.

That's when he called Mangini and told him to put BQ on IR.

Metcalf_FTW said:

You are making something out of nothing. He will not judge da on one game. Holmgren said that mangini has sent him film on both qbs so he can look at the entire body of work and not just one game.

@sj_browns said:

I sure hope DA's fluke 2007 season doesn't sway his judgment.