@cambridgeho said:

its ok to dream

@peterbell said:

The Cleveland Browns don't play Army, Navy and Air Force..which Quinn and Notre Dame did.

Seymour and Wilfork played for Mangini in NE when he was the DC...Everyone likes to go with someone there familiar with.

Except I understood that they were the respective college stats, thus they would be comparable, as Notre Dame will typically play a much more difficult schedule than Tennessee or most other college teams will.

@ballpeen said:

There is no perhaps about it.

JMO

Yea, I know, but since I was including Smith and Leinert in with them the "perhaps" applied to them.

The Cleveland Browns don't play Army, Navy and Air Force..which Quinn and Notre Dame did.

Seymour and Wilfork played for Mangini in NE when he was the DC...Everyone likes to go with someone there familiar with.

@the-gipper said:

Tim Tebow

Sam Bradford

Perhaps?? They haven't played a down of NFL football.

There is no perhaps about it.

JMO

Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (35)

Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (29)

David Carr, New York Giants (31)

Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs (27)

Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (33)

Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (30)

Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (31)

Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (37)

Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (26) – Restricted FA

Chris Redman, Atlanta Falcons (33)

Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (25) – Exclusive Rights FA

Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (26) – Restricted FA

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@deadwombat said:

Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar.

Well, Smith won the Heisman Trophy....which automatically qualifies him for "greatness", at least at the college level.

But as we know, many Heisman Trophy winning QBs did diddley with their pro careers. Here is the list of Heisman QB "busts" at the Pro level since 1960:

Terry Baker

John Huarte

Steve Spurrier

Gary Beban

Pat Sullivan

Andre Ware

Gino Toretta

Charlie Ward

Danny Weurfell

Chris Weinke

Eric Crouch

Jason White

Question marks or "backup/serviceable": Doug Flutie? Ty Detmer?

Heisman QBs successes:

Roger Staubach

Jim Plunkett

Vinny Testaverde

Carson Palmer

Heisman QBs "Too early perhaps to tell":

Matt Leinert

Troy Smith

Tim Tebow

Sam Bradford

Of the 4 above, do you believe any of them will pan out to be a pro success? It seems to me that the odds are only about 33%, meaning one of them may become really good, one somewhat serviceable, and two of them complete busts. Right now, Leinert and Smith are in the "Backup-serviceable" category. If they do nothing further with their careers they will degrade down to the "bust" category. Fair to say?

@calfoxwc said:

Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him.

Seriously, ... NO.

OK, I agree. I might like to see him here, but not at any real cost. If he was a UFA, perhaps. Or maybe one of those 6th-7th round draft picks, but no more. He would be an experiment.

@cdl15 said:

Not saying that is what I would do, but add it up...we have a new regime, and one who seems to know qbs...at least he says so.

If we aren't thrilled with the qbs we have, and can't find something via free agency, the draft is the logical next step.

If we fall in love with a Clawsen as an example, don't be shocked if we pull the plug and draft him.

Ultimately, much is going to depend on the evaluation Holmgren gives DA and Brady. If he likes one of them, that is the route we will take. If he decides to pass, we will have to do something.

Seeing we do have extra picks this year, it very well could be determined this is the year to pluck the qb if one who fits the bill is there.

@maintainin125 said:

No way man they would never bring vick to cleveland and he sucks anyways...

@deadwombat said:

Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar.

Brady Quinn- Notre Dame - 46 games

COMP ---- ATT---- COMP %------ YDS------ TD --- INT --- RATING ---- RuATT ---- RuYDS ---- AVG ----RuTD

929 ------ 1602 --- 58.0 --------11,762 ----- 95 ----39 ---- 134.4 ------- 254 -------- 182 --------.7------ 6

Troy Smith- The Ohio State University - 44 games

COMP ---- ATT ----- COMP % ----- YDS ------ TD --- INT --- RATING ---- RuATT ---- RuYDS ---- AVG --- RuTD

420 ------ 670 ------ 62.7 -------- 5,720 ------ 54 --- 13 ----- 159.72 ----- 283 -------1197 ------ 4.2 ------ 14

And, just for shits and giggles.

Peyton Manning- University of Tennessee - 45 games

COMP ---- ATT ---- COMP % ---- YDS ---- TD ---- INT

851 ----- 1354 ----- 62.85 ------ 11,201 --- 89 ---- 33

Comparing completion percentages, Troy Smith was more accurate in college than Brady Quinn, and only slightly less accurate than Peyton Manning. Granted, BQ and Peyton more than doubled Smith in every other statistic, excluding rating and TD's. These stats are hard to compare, though, because:

1)Tressel had two more than capable running backs that he relied on

2)Smith made plenty of plays on his feet instead of passing

3)Fulmer and Willingham/Weis ran a much more aerial-based offense than Tressel (from what I remember)

4)It's Peyton freakin' Manning.

I'm not on the Troy Smith bandwagon at all. I'd love to give him a shot, but it won't happen. I'm more inclined to believe that Holmgren would like a more traditional type QB than a rushing QB. The only reason I like Troy Smith is because he was a very mobile QB who had the pass first mentality. Most of the time, he only made the plays on his feet if he had to. And like I said before, I don't want a running QB who can throw, I'd much rather have a throwing QB who can run.

I'm only posting these stats because it's late, I'm bored, and I can't go to sleep. If these stats prove anything, it's that you can't foretell a QB's NFL career based on his college stats. If you could, Brady Quinn would have won a couple MVP awards by now, don't you think? And Ryan Leaf, along with Tim Couch, would be perennial Pro Bowlers.

Oh, and thanks. There's nothing I love more than Braylon being Braylon.

@maintainin125 said:

Vick jumping into the dogpound an instant classic ha ha

@maintainin125 said:

Thanks a lot for making me puke.

Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar.

@mudratdetector said:

There is a reason, you're right. His name is Joe Flacco.

What's the harm in bringing in Smith, if we can get a decent enough trade for him? I think it's already been proven that our QB's aren't necessarily cutting it. I say, if we can get Smith without giving away anything of too great a value, we should go for it.

It won't happen, of course. But there's no harm in wishing. And, Harbaugh was endorsing Smith all throughout the offseason until he got sick. I'm not saying Smith is the second coming of Jesus Christ (who was a great quarterback, on top of everything else), I'm just saying he's worth taking a shot.

@mudratdetector said:

yeah there was a reason, he got a throat infection, he was named starter up until that infection and that's the only reason why he didn't see any playing time.

@calfoxwc said:

Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him.

Seriously, ... NO.

he's already requested a trade and wants to play for the Browns, I don't think the Ravens have plans for him in the future.

Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him.

Seriously, ... NO.