@buckeyebulldozer28 said:

I got it from a disgruntled Charger's fan.

@hoorta said:

Lou "The Toe" is one of my childhood heroes, is in the HOF- and he'd be run out of the current NFL on a rail for his FG accuracy & distance.

For those young 'uns who don't realize it- the goal posts used to be on the goal line not the back of the endzone, and kickoffs used to be from the 40, not the 30. In the current NFL-if they played by the old rules, if you got to midfield, you'd be in FG range, and 99% of kickoffs would be coming back to the 20 yard line.

maybe that's why he co-led the nfl in scoring in 1957

what phil may have lost in distance, he's made up for in the clutch imo. he doesn't rattle easily, he understands how wind and field conditions affect a kick, and he can kick in poor weather. just knowing this eases my mind when he lines up.

however, this creates a bit of a problem with the current incarnation of our offense. when 5 yards is a challenge, distance on a kicker may be more important......dunno.

@hoorta said:

Lou "The Toe" is one of my childhood heroes, is in the HOF- and he'd be run out of the current NFL on a rail for his FG accuracy & distance.

For those young 'uns who don't realize it- the goal posts used to be on the goal line not the back of the endzone, and kickoffs used to be from the 40, not the 30. In the current NFL-if they played by the old rules, if you got to midfield, you'd be in FG range, and 99% of kickoffs would be coming back to the 20 yard line.

I'll never forget being on the field in the old stadium during "Final Play." Standing on the 20 yard line, those goal posts looked about an inch apart. I seem to remember watching fans trying to make a kick. lolol.

@riffer-x said:

Compare today's kickers with even guys like Cockroft let alone The Toe, it's ridiculous how good they are now.

No doubt Kaeding felt the pressure, his last kick he leaned back trying to guide it. As a former long snapper, let me tell you that is a thankless position too. You can only screw up. We are in great hands with both Dawson and Butchie's famed 5th rounder. Dawson has years left and is one of the best, especially in our stadium that scares the crap out of opposing kickers come late in the year. I think he may still be looking for a contract though, I don't think that was resolved this year but he got hurt which didn't help him.

Right you are Rif. At least in one respect, the old timers just can't measure up to the current crop of kickers.

Lou "The Toe" is one of my childhood heroes, is in the HOF- and he'd be run out of the current NFL on a rail for his FG accuracy & distance.

For those young 'uns who don't realize it- the goal posts used to be on the goal line not the back of the endzone, and kickoffs used to be from the 40, not the 30. In the current NFL-if they played by the old rules, if you got to midfield, you'd be in FG range, and 99% of kickoffs would be coming back to the 20 yard line.

@alendor said:

thats not too bad at all.

yeah but he skewed the facts because he says he turns 35 soon, well guess what, a ton of kickers from now to next fall will be a year older, and then he wont be the 7th oldest anymore, it's completely arbitrary.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I remember Master Chief.

RIP Louis Roy Groza January 25, 1924 November 29, 2000

Often imitated...Never duplicated....As good a Brown as there has ever been

Compare today's kickers with even guys like Cockroft let alone The Toe, it's ridiculous how good they are now.

No doubt Kaeding felt the pressure, his last kick he leaned back trying to guide it. As a former long snapper, let me tell you that is a thankless position too. You can only screw up. We are in great hands with both Dawson and Butchie's famed 5th rounder. Dawson has years left and is one of the best, especially in our stadium that scares the crap out of opposing kickers come late in the year. I think he may still be looking for a contract though, I don't think that was resolved this year but he got hurt which didn't help him.

thats not too bad at all.

@beefjerky said:

no its really not

but its clear you wont listen to anything but your own pure ignorance

@buckeyebulldozer28 said:

when you don't skew facts and know that there is an entire long off season of birthdays, you are.

@next2nothing said:

i give it a 3

@diehardbrownsfan said:

when your the 7th oldest kicker your not young

@beefjerky said:

he's got maybe 1-3 years left

@beefjerky said:

83% last year. 6 from 50+ and a 56 yarder. Has missed 9 games in 10 years. Dawson holds the team record for most consecutive field goals made (27), and most field goals in a game (6). Dawson is currently the 7th most accurate kicker in the NFL.

@buckeyebulldozer28 said:

2nd he's turning 35 next week which makes him the 7th oldest starting Kicker in the NFL which isnt that young

For a kicker it's young. He has a few good years left. Look at "Lou the Toe Groza". Now there was a kicker! (Most of you probably don't even know who I'm talking about).

@hoorta said:

we can just have Zastudil do kick offs, Dawson is great for normal FGs, it seems like he hits it 65-70% of the time on those really long FGs, at least from my experience of watching him.

@beefjerky said:

What will kill Dawson's longevity in the NFL isn't his Field Goal accuracy, it's his rather weak leg as NFL kickers go. He's already way down on the list in average yards per KO.

@buckeyebulldozer28 said:

2nd he's turning 35 next week which makes him the 7th oldest starting Kicker in the NFL which isnt that young

ok and then a lot of those kickers will also be a year older, which would slide Dawson down more spots, he'll still be reliable for years to come.

@beefjerky said:

1st you assume the Browns will want to keep him around after next year (contract expires)

2nd he's turning 35 next week which makes him the 7th oldest starting Kicker in the NFL which isnt that young

jets 1st down of a 4th and inches run,less then 1 min left no TO left for SD

Mr.Kaedding

your Pink slip is waiting for you in your locker

and they dont even trust him for a simple onside kick