@hoorta said:

IMHO there's damn few qbs in the league that have good accuracy when they're running for their lives. Rothlisberger, and who else?

It's kind of hard to compare LeFevour and Manning, they have two different styles of play.

Manning is an offensive wizard. He can read a defense completely before he even takes the snap, and call audibles to suit. Manning progresses through his reads quickly, and when things go to shit, he still maintains a calm demeanor and keeps his poise. Manning is the picture of poise in the pocket, just like Johnny U. A lot of that comes with experience, but for the most part, he was doing these things since his rookie year.

LeFevour, on the other hand, seems to have trouble progressing through his reads. In the Senior Bowl, as with all season, he seemed to rely on his feet when his primary receiver was covered. When things go to shit for LeFevour, he's looking on how to get out of the pocket, not at his receivers downfield. Don't get me wrong, he still is an amazing QB, his numbers scream that. He made 4.3 ass-billion plays on his feet, and that's an exact number. But, in the NFL, defensive tackles are as fast as linebackers, defensive ends/linebackers are as fast as cornerbacks and safeties, and cornerbacks and safeties are as fast as cheetahs. His speed isn't going to help him near as much on the pro-level.

Manning will sit in the pocket until the very last second, and then deliver a strike to his target, sacrificing his body in the process. To me, that's what makes a great quarterback. I'm not saying LeFevour doesn't do that, I'm just stating my opinion. LeFevour was a running QB in college, you can't deny that. If he can't throw on the run, that severly handcuffs him on the next level. Can he make the transition to the pros? Can he make all the pro-level throws? I don't know, we'll all have to find out. I think he'll do pretty good, personally. But not in the traditional QB sense, I would imagine.

@alo said:

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Well Manning looks pretty good when he just sits in the pocket and tears defenses apart, no? One thing in didn't pay attention to is how quick is LeFevour's release?

IMHO there's damn few qbs in the league that have good accuracy when they're running for their lives. Rothlisberger, and who else?

Michael Schottey said:

LeFevour can throw and run but can't throw on the run...that needs to change if he wants to be anything more than a backup

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@maddogg7888 said:

although his college career was limited Bill Stull from Pittsburgh played in a pro style offense with decent numbers his senior year,would be available in 5th round.

@maddogg7888 said:

He had a beautiful throw for a TD Maddogg. I liked him 2nd best to Zac Robinson. The main difference I found in the 2 kids was when pressure moved the 2 kids out of the drop back - Robinson was looking downfield for receivers while LeFevour was only looking where to run. I thought there was more poise in Robinson and was pleasantly surprised by the zip in his passes.

However, when Lefevour was asked to execute a 5 step drop and throw to the flag pattern it was a perfect strike. I've learned over the years the NFL calls for QBs that can elude and improvise under pressure in the pocket. Our division rarely allotted us the time for 5 to 7 step drops. When we played Detroit - we got that kind of time and the results weren't horrible.

I think Robinson could be a 4th round gift if he doesn't elevate his stock. LeFevour looks like he'd require just a little more time and patience. He's got the speed but that doesn't mean he's got the speed reading down pat to go with it just yet. The good thing to know - is there are Tony Romo stories to be made out there if teams exercise patience. Parcells PROTECTED Romo to no end before he deemed him ready to rock.

- Tom F.

@alo said:

Ron Wolf seemed to draft a QB almost every year.

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I'd be interested in seeing Holmgren replicate Wolf's practice in Cleveland.

I forgot about Brooks! Another guy they drafted in Green Bay was Kurt Warner.

- Tom F.

@alo said:

Also, keep an eye on Jarrett Brown; he's very raw but has McNabb-like physical tools. If we bring in McNabb, it'd be a good idea to draft Brown in the 4th & have him learn under Donovan for 2-3 years. I like him a lot, but he needs to have a good week to keep his stock from sliding.

I agree with you about Canfield. I live in Oregon and seen a lot of him. He has a strong arm and leadership skills. He really only had two weapons the last two years, the Rogers brothers. The brothers accounted for about 90% of their offense. He did a lot with little help from anybody else. His footwork needs improvement like you say. The Browns O-line would be a real benefit for him. He never had anybody as good as Mack or Thomas blocking for him. I think he could be worth a 4th rd. pick.

@dawgtracker said:

Things change. If a couple of these guys have good senior bowl showings and workouts they will sky rocket up the board. It will be interesting to see when we draft a QB. Do we wait until the last minute to pick the guy we want (where we could lose out) or do we take someone earlier than most people project him?

I guess it depends. If the guy is a 5th round type of guy I could see taking him in the 4th...but if he is ranked higher than that, I doubt we would reach....I hope not anyway.

@ballpeen said:

Buying a bunch of tickets doesn't improve my chances?

Things change. If a couple of these guys have good senior bowl showings and workouts they will sky rocket up the board. It will be interesting to see when we draft a QB. Do we wait until the last minute to pick the guy we want (where we could lose out) or do we take someone earlier than most people project him?

@ballpeen said:

That said, I wouldn't mind drafting 2, though I would like to get one sooner to maybe get a little better player.

If the goal is getting a real qb, how about drafting one in the 1st and one in the 2nd?? That doesn't sound all that great does it.

It's sort of like the lottery....does buying 1 extra quick pick really increase your chances of hitting a winner??

Well, if you have a QB guru running the organization, you'd hope that the FO would have more luck finding serviceable QBs in the mid to late rounds. Even if they don't become your starting QB, you can rely on them as backups or trade them to other teams for higher picks, like the Packers did with Mark Brunell & Aaron Brooks.

Ron Wolf seemed to draft a QB almost every year.

1992:

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1997:

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I'd be interested in seeing Holmgren replicate Wolf's practice in Cleveland.

@floridabrownsfan said:

NO MORE QB COMPITITIONS......PLEASE GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

@buckeyebulldozer28 said:

day 1 1st round

day 2 2nd,3rd round

day 3 4th,5th,6th,7th i believe

the 4th round maybe on day 2

just checked it, and you're right. but why'd the change the order 2 years in a row?

That said, I wouldn't mind drafting 2, though I would like to get one sooner to maybe get a little better player.

If the goal is getting a real qb, how about drafting one in the 1st and one in the 2nd?? That doesn't sound all that great does it.

It's sort of like the lottery....does buying 1 extra quick pick really increase your chances of hitting a winner??

@alo said:

Me too! We have ELEVEN draft picks this year so it's not gonna feel like 08 when we only had 5 (and no day 1) or heading into the offseason before 09 with only 4 draft picks to our name. We can definitely draft 2 QBs for this QB starved team. Green Bay did that with Flynn and Brohm just a couple years ago when they were getting ready to finally see what they had in Aaron Rodgers.

- Tom F.

@lodilobo said:

still makes him a system QB

@riffer-x said:

The more shots you take the more chance you have of hitting on a real find, and we know how these MAC QB's go.

Love the 2 QB idea. Personally, I've been flirting with the idea of bringing in Jarrett Brown in the 4th and Mike Kafka in the 6th. Brown will remind Heckert of a raw Donovan McNabb; Holmgren might see some Hasselbeckian qualities in Kafka.

Those two would make a lot of sense if we acquire a veteran QB capable of starting for the next two to three years. If it's Quinn again next year, we might want to use a higher pick on someone who could start in 2011.

Peens is stuck on this system he wants for Timmy God to succeed, but even if Tebow does work out he won't change the way the game is essentially played.

IMO, we should build the rest of our team first, so that when we draft a qb, he has other facets of the team to rely on while he goes through growing pains. I hate to say it, but we should do what the ravens, stoolers, and jets did for their teams.

@hoorta said:

And I'll let you wait until after the Senior Bowl to answer.

Yeah, the Senior Bowl will be very important. Pike and Canfield are intriguing to me, but each needs to answer questions about his game: for Pike, it's mental toughness and the "system QB" q's; for Canfield, it's mobility and footwork - particularly his ability to shuffle & reset his feet while facing pressure. Both of those guys could be 3rd round options.

Also, keep an eye on Jarrett Brown; he's very raw but has McNabb-like physical tools. If we bring in McNabb, it'd be a good idea to draft Brown in the 4th & have him learn under Donovan for 2-3 years. I like him a lot, but he needs to have a good week to keep his stock from sliding.

@ballpeen said:

Don't open the box, ballpeen.

@ballpeen said:

i see what you're saying, but i don't think it's going to happen as fast as you think. michael vick was supposed to be the guy who did that and he only had a couple of good years. jmarcus russell never even had a semi-decent year. look at the top two qb's of the decade: manning and brady. they are total statues. sure big ben, favre, brees and a few others can move around, but the run first offense will fail in the nfl just like it's failed before. linebackers and d-linemen are just too fast in the nfl to let the qb get outside on a consistent basis. they know how to contain unlike college kids.