Scouting Report - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
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i have yet to read any report that even hints at josh freeman being a better qb or being in a better situation than the one he was in last season. we shall see.
Have you looked? There are tons of articles about Freeman's progress coming into the year. The biggest thing is that we have seriously upgraded the weapons around Josh Freeman. Delhomme is clearly lacking a big-time playmaker here in CLE like Steve Smith, who he played with in Carolina. Do you fans seriously think Delhomme has a chance to be anything other than the same terrible QB he has been for the last two years, when the only thing to change is he has LESS weapons to work with?
Link(paysite): http://www.pewterreport.com/articles/view/7295
5 MOST IMPRESSIVE
1. Quarterback Josh Freeman
He only played two series, but Josh Freeman made a statement - and it was a good one. As last year's first round pick, Freeman is expected to be a franchise quarterback and the face of the Buccaneers. He showed his teammates, coaches and the fans what they have to look forward to during his limited work against the Dolphins. Freeman finished the night perfect as he completed all four pass attempts for 53 yards and one touchdown. He also had two carries for four yards. On the offense's second possession, Freeman had all day in the pocket and took full advantage of it by hitting rookie receiver Mike Williams for a 30-yard completion. Williams was streaking down the sideline with a step on his Vontae Davis and Freeman put the ball on the money. That was the key play on a drive that ended with six points for the Bucs. Later on the drive, Freeman was able to move around in the pocket and found a wide open Sammie Stroughter, who was able to walk into the endzone for a 13-yard touchdown. For Freeman, the night was a success. He came out of the game healthy and confident. He was accurate and did not make any mistakes. It was important for Freeman to lead the first-team offense down the field for a score to show everyone that he is ready to be the leader that everyone wants him to be.
Have you looked? There are tons of articles about Freeman's progress coming into the year. The biggest thing is that we have seriously upgraded the weapons around Josh Freeman. Delhomme is clearly lacking a big-time playmaker here in CLE like Steve Smith, who he played with in Carolina. Do you fans seriously think Delhomme has a chance to be anything other than the same terrible QB he has been for the last two years, when the only thing to change is he has LESS weapons to work with?
Delhomme will have one of THE play-makers in the NFL. Josh Cribbs will have a very prominent role in the WR core and has looked great with his route running in training camp/pre-season. He's fast, aggressive, obviously knows how to run with the ball and is an all-around athlete and football player. That's a pretty decent weapon.
Cribbs was a victim of extremely inaccurate quarterbacks last season and wasn't quite used to running tight routes. He's looked 100% improved in off/pre-season. If he can consistently get the ball in his hands while in motion, that's not something other teams are going to want to see.
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i'll add a few more facts to grossi's bucs scouting report.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/game...&sYear=2009
- josh freeman was the tampa bay bucs starter for 9 whole games last season. he had 10 tds and 18 ints.
* freeman's first game action came halfway through the 4th q in wk7 when he came in to replace josh johnson in the bucs vs the pats game. freeman had no tds or ints.
- freeman was sacked 20 times last season.
* freeman was sacked twice in wk7 of the 09 season when he came in to replace josh johnson in the bucs vs pats game. he was sacked 18 times in the final 9 games of the 09 season (he was the starter in these games).
- freeman has a 59.8 qb rating and a completion percentage of 54.5.
- in his final 5 games of the 09 season, freeman threw 3 tds and 13 ints.
i know jake struggled last season. but jake was in a bad scenario where his qb coach (rip scherer) admitted to making the mistake of trying to change his qb mechanics. jake had a bad oc in jeff davidson and was running for his life behind an oline that was a good run blocking oline, but a not so good pass blocking oline. jake made his mistakes to. he was man enough to admit that. the saying, "admittance is the first step to recovery", can apply to jake's situation.
jake was taken out of a bad situation and brought into a better one in cleveland (thus far). he has a line that can block for him and give him a good amount of time to read the field and make his throws. he has a qb/offensive guru in mike holmgren and an offensive guru in gil haskell who both worked with brian daboll (the browns oc) to design an offense that fits jake's style of qbing. jake has looked comfortable while running the browns o and has spread the ball around to numerous targets.
i have yet to read any report that even hints at josh freeman being a better qb or being in a better situation than the one he was in last season. we shall see.
So you are giving a veteran a pass and saying that the rookie who was thrown into a tough situation hasn't improved? Sorry man, those aren't exactly unbiased facts that you are using. Of course Freeman is going to be better. He had a full camp as the starter and they did draft two good WRs, one of which looks to be a steal in the 4th. I still like the Browns to pull this one out and would take Delhomme over Freeman at this point but I try to do so w/out the rose colored glasses.
So you are giving a veteran a pass and saying that the rookie who was thrown into a tough situation hasn't improved? Sorry man, those aren't exactly unbiased facts that you are using. Of course Freeman is going to be better. He had a full camp as the starter and they did draft two good WRs, one of which looks to be a steal in the 4th. I still like the Browns to pull this one out and would take Delhomme over Freeman at this point but I try to do so w/out the rose colored glasses.
you replied to my post with an opinion that wasn't backed up by any facts. you also didn't prove or show how freeman or his offense has improved. and don't tell me that he has 2 good wrs around him yet. all freeman has around him at the moment are a couple of rookies that have supposedly looked good in training camp and preseason games. those rookies have to show they can be good in games that count against teams that aren't playing vanilla defense.
i made a post that was backed up by facts that came from respectable sources. did you even read and comprehend my post? how could you even think i gave the vet a free pass? i said jake made mistakes and he admitted to making mistakes. i also said that's the first step to recovery from a bad season. i also explained how certain things in carolina didn't help jake's cause. but for the record, jake has actually accomplished something in the nfl. freeman, not so much.
btw, there are no rose colored glasses over here and there are no "biased" facts in my post. just my opinion backed by some legit facts and a "we shall see" to end it. i made no predictions. i just simply made a statement and presented a case for it. but i'll just agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.
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i have yet to read any report that even hints at josh freeman being a better qb or being in a better situation than the one he was in last season. we shall see.
Have you looked? There are tons of articles about Freeman's progress coming into the year. The biggest thing is that we have seriously upgraded the weapons around Josh Freeman. Delhomme is clearly lacking a big-time playmaker here in CLE like Steve Smith, who he played with in Carolina. Do you fans seriously think Delhomme has a chance to be anything other than the same terrible QB he has been for the last two years, when the only thing to change is he has LESS weapons to work with?
Link(paysite): http://www.pewterreport.com/articles/view/7295
5 MOST IMPRESSIVE
1. Quarterback Josh Freeman
He only played two series, but Josh Freeman made a statement - and it was a good one. As last year's first round pick, Freeman is expected to be a franchise quarterback and the face of the Buccaneers. He showed his teammates, coaches and the fans what they have to look forward to during his limited work against the Dolphins. Freeman finished the night perfect as he completed all four pass attempts for 53 yards and one touchdown. He also had two carries for four yards. On the offense's second possession, Freeman had all day in the pocket and took full advantage of it by hitting rookie receiver Mike Williams for a 30-yard completion. Williams was streaking down the sideline with a step on his Vontae Davis and Freeman put the ball on the money. That was the key play on a drive that ended with six points for the Bucs. Later on the drive, Freeman was able to move around in the pocket and found a wide open Sammie Stroughter, who was able to walk into the endzone for a 13-yard touchdown. For Freeman, the night was a success. He came out of the game healthy and confident. He was accurate and did not make any mistakes. It was important for Freeman to lead the first-team offense down the field for a score to show everyone that he is ready to be the leader that everyone wants him to be.
Have you looked? There are tons of articles about Freeman's progress coming into the year. The biggest thing is that we have seriously upgraded the weapons around Josh Freeman. Delhomme is clearly lacking a big-time playmaker here in CLE like Steve Smith, who he played with in Carolina. Do you fans seriously think Delhomme has a chance to be anything other than the same terrible QB he has been for the last two years, when the only thing to change is he has LESS weapons to work with?
Link(paysite): http://www.pewterreport.com/articles/view/7295
5 MOST IMPRESSIVE
1. Quarterback Josh Freeman
He only played two series, but Josh Freeman made a statement - and it was a good one. As last year's first round pick, Freeman is expected to be a franchise quarterback and the face of the Buccaneers. He showed his teammates, coaches and the fans what they have to look forward to during his limited work against the Dolphins. Freeman finished the night perfect as he completed all four pass attempts for 53 yards and one touchdown. He also had two carries for four yards. On the offense's second possession, Freeman had all day in the pocket and took full advantage of it by hitting rookie receiver Mike Williams for a 30-yard completion. Williams was streaking down the sideline with a step on his Vontae Davis and Freeman put the ball on the money. That was the key play on a drive that ended with six points for the Bucs. Later on the drive, Freeman was able to move around in the pocket and found a wide open Sammie Stroughter, who was able to walk into the endzone for a 13-yard touchdown. For Freeman, the night was a success. He came out of the game healthy and confident. He was accurate and did not make any mistakes. It was important for Freeman to lead the first-team offense down the field for a score to show everyone that he is ready to be the leader that everyone wants him to be.
this is your proof that freeman is showing signs of improvements? 2 series against the miami dolphins vanilla preseason d in a pre-season game? is that the best you could do? freeman completed 4 passes in this game for 53 yds. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300814015).
typical troll. but once again, we shall see.
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mikeyP72 said:
What 'weapons' do the Bucs have exactly? HAHA.I'd take Delhomme with our offense over Freeman and yours for any amount of money.
the only thing i'm saying is that freeman and the bucs haven't done anything yet. why some people want to prematurely praise freeman and the bucs right now is beyond me. we'll find out whether or not they've made improvenents in the regular season when it's full go and the games count. that's why i said, "we shall see". that refers to the browns as well. i have no idea what's going to happen this season. but i do try to bring some facts to the table when discussing things like this........................unlike some people (hint - trolls).
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BucsNBiceps said:
Boy it's gonna be fun around here on Sunday at 4PM or so!I'm gonna be flexin all over fools!
Muscle mouth, around 4 pm Sunday you'll be watching your little Buckineer Boat sinking into the sunset. But cheer up little buck-a-roo you can always go to the board of the next team you play and make a fool of yourself there.
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Have you looked? There are tons of articles about Freeman's progress coming into the year. The biggest thing is that we have seriously upgraded the weapons around Josh Freeman. Delhomme is clearly lacking a big-time playmaker here in CLE like Steve Smith, who he played with in Carolina. Do you fans seriously think Delhomme has a chance to be anything other than the same terrible QB he has been for the last two years, when the only thing to change is he has LESS weapons to work with?
Link(paysite): http://www.pewterreport.com/articles/view/7295
5 MOST IMPRESSIVE
1. Quarterback Josh Freeman
He only played two series, but Josh Freeman made a statement - and it was a good one. As last year's first round pick, Freeman is expected to be a franchise quarterback and the face of the Buccaneers. He showed his teammates, coaches and the fans what they have to look forward to during his limited work against the Dolphins. Freeman finished the night perfect as he completed all four pass attempts for 53 yards and one touchdown. He also had two carries for four yards. On the offense's second possession, Freeman had all day in the pocket and took full advantage of it by hitting rookie receiver Mike Williams for a 30-yard completion. Williams was streaking down the sideline with a step on his Vontae Davis and Freeman put the ball on the money. That was the key play on a drive that ended with six points for the Bucs. Later on the drive, Freeman was able to move around in the pocket and found a wide open Sammie Stroughter, who was able to walk into the endzone for a 13-yard touchdown. For Freeman, the night was a success. He came out of the game healthy and confident. He was accurate and did not make any mistakes. It was important for Freeman to lead the first-team offense down the field for a score to show everyone that he is ready to be the leader that everyone wants him to be.
this is your proof that freeman is showing signs of improvements? 2 series against the miami dolphins vanilla preseason d in a pre-season game? is that the best you could do? freeman completed 4 passes in this game for 53 yds. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300814015).
typical troll. but once again, we shall see.
this is your proof that freeman is showing signs of improvements? 2 series against the miami dolphins vanilla preseason d in a pre-season game? is that the best you could do? freeman completed 4 passes in this game for 53 yds. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300814015).
typical troll. but once again, we shall see.
There are plenty of more reports on Freeman. Do you WANT me to post them all?
Just pointing out that the reason you haven't seen any reports on Freeman, is because you haven't looked.
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i'll add a few more facts to grossi's bucs scouting report.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/game...&sYear=2009
- josh freeman was the tampa bay bucs starter for 9 whole games last season. he had 10 tds and 18 ints.
* freeman's first game action came halfway through the 4th q in wk7 when he came in to replace josh johnson in the bucs vs the pats game. freeman had no tds or ints.
- freeman was sacked 20 times last season.
* freeman was sacked twice in wk7 of the 09 season when he came in to replace josh johnson in the bucs vs pats game. he was sacked 18 times in the final 9 games of the 09 season (he was the starter in these games).
- freeman has a 59.8 qb rating and a completion percentage of 54.5.
- in his final 5 games of the 09 season, freeman threw 3 tds and 13 ints.
i know jake struggled last season. but jake was in a bad scenario where his qb coach (rip scherer) admitted to making the mistake of trying to change his qb mechanics. jake had a bad oc in jeff davidson and was running for his life behind an oline that was a good run blocking oline, but a not so good pass blocking oline. jake made his mistakes to. he was man enough to admit that. the saying, "admittance is the first step to recovery", can apply to jake's situation.
jake was taken out of a bad situation and brought into a better one in cleveland (thus far). he has a line that can block for him and give him a good amount of time to read the field and make his throws. he has a qb/offensive guru in mike holmgren and an offensive guru in gil haskell who both worked with brian daboll (the browns oc) to design an offense that fits jake's style of qbing. jake has looked comfortable while running the browns o and has spread the ball around to numerous targets.
i have yet to read any report that even hints at josh freeman being a better qb or being in a better situation than the one he was in last season. we shall see.
i'll add a few more facts to grossi's bucs scouting report.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/game...&sYear=2009
- josh freeman was the tampa bay bucs starter for 9 whole games last season. he had 10 tds and 18 ints.
* freeman's first game action came halfway through the 4th q in wk7 when he came in to replace josh johnson in the bucs vs the pats game. freeman had no tds or ints.
- freeman was sacked 20 times last season.
* freeman was sacked twice in wk7 of the 09 season when he came in to replace josh johnson in the bucs vs pats game. he was sacked 18 times in the final 9 games of the 09 season (he was the starter in these games).
- freeman has a 59.8 qb rating and a completion percentage of 54.5.
-Delhomme had a 59.4 QB rating and a completion percentage of 55.5
- in his final 5 games of the 09 season, freeman threw 3 tds and 13 ints.
-Delhomme threw 8TD and 18INT
i know jake struggled last season. but jake was in a bad scenario where his qb coach (rip scherer) admitted to making the mistake of trying to change his qb mechanics. jake had a bad oc in jeff davidson and was running for his life behind an oline that was a good run blocking oline, but a not so good pass blocking oline. jake made his mistakes to. he was man enough to admit that. the saying, "admittance is the first step to recovery", can apply to jake's situation.
jake was taken out of a bad situation and brought into a better one in cleveland (thus far). he has a line that can block for him and give him a good amount of time to read the field and make his throws. he has a qb/offensive guru in mike holmgren and an offensive guru in gil haskell who both worked with brian daboll (the browns oc) to design an offense that fits jake's style of qbing. jake has looked comfortable while running the browns o and has spread the ball around to numerous targets.
i have yet to read any report that even hints at josh freeman being a better qb or being in a better situation than the one he was in last season. we shall see.
You did include some facts here about Freeman, but all you did was make excuses for Delhomme. Last year Freeman was working with two injured starting WR's. We can all make excuses for our team. Apparently, Browns fans are a bit more proficient excuse makers than most. Instead of making excuses, why don't you look at the facts. Hoilmgren left SEA a mess, Jake couldn't get it done with Steve Smith at WR. Delhomme's back-up went 4-1 with the same team he went 4-7 with. He SINGLE-HANDEDLY lost the first three games of the year for his team in 2009. After the first three games his coaches went with a heavy rushing attack to offset his ineffectiveness.
You have a circus clown for a QB, and a snake-oil salesman for a GM who left his last franchise in the gutter, and has convinced you that your WR's aren't garbage, and Jake Freaking Delhomme is the answer to all your problems. All of those things are hilarious enough, but when you add in the fact that you are actually buying into this garbage that really takes the cake.
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i'll add a few more facts to grossi's bucs scouting report.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/game...&sYear=2009
- josh freeman was the tampa bay bucs starter for 9 whole games last season. he had 10 tds and 18 ints.
* freeman's first game action came halfway through the 4th q in wk7 when he came in to replace josh johnson in the bucs vs the pats game. freeman had no tds or ints.
- freeman was sacked 20 times last season.
* freeman was sacked twice in wk7 of the 09 season when he came in to replace josh johnson in the bucs vs pats game. he was sacked 18 times in the final 9 games of the 09 season (he was the starter in these games).
- freeman has a 59.8 qb rating and a completion percentage of 54.5.
-Delhomme had a 59.4 QB rating and a completion percentage of 55.5
- in his final 5 games of the 09 season, freeman threw 3 tds and 13 ints.
-Delhomme threw 8TD and 18INT
i know jake struggled last season. but jake was in a bad scenario where his qb coach (rip scherer) admitted to making the mistake of trying to change his qb mechanics. jake had a bad oc in jeff davidson and was running for his life behind an oline that was a good run blocking oline, but a not so good pass blocking oline. jake made his mistakes to. he was man enough to admit that. the saying, "admittance is the first step to recovery", can apply to jake's situation.
jake was taken out of a bad situation and brought into a better one in cleveland (thus far). he has a line that can block for him and give him a good amount of time to read the field and make his throws. he has a qb/offensive guru in mike holmgren and an offensive guru in gil haskell who both worked with brian daboll (the browns oc) to design an offense that fits jake's style of qbing. jake has looked comfortable while running the browns o and has spread the ball around to numerous targets.
i have yet to read any report that even hints at josh freeman being a better qb or being in a better situation than the one he was in last season. we shall see.
You did include some facts here about Freeman, but all you did was make excuses for Delhomme. Last year Freeman was working with two injured starting WR's. We can all make excuses for our team. Apparently, Browns fans are a bit more proficient excuse makers than most. Instead of making excuses, why don't you look at the facts. Hoilmgren left SEA a mess, Jake couldn't get it done with Steve Smith at WR. Delhomme's back-up went 4-1 with the same team he went 4-7 with. He SINGLE-HANDEDLY lost the first three games of the year for his team in 2009. After the first three games his coaches went with a heavy rushing attack to offset his ineffectiveness.
You have a circus clown for a QB, and a snake-oil salesman for a GM who left his last franchise in the gutter, and has convinced you that your WR's aren't garbage, and Jake Freaking Delhomme is the answer to all your problems. All of those things are hilarious enough, but when you add in the fact that you are actually buying into this garbage that really takes the cake.
You have a circus clown for a QB, and a snake-oil salesman for a GM who left his last franchise in the gutter, and has convinced you that your WR's aren't garbage, and Jake Freaking Delhomme is the answer to all your problems. All of those things are hilarious enough, but when you add in the fact that you are actually buying into this garbage that really takes the cake.
lol @ this. you are beyond delusional. cannot wait for sunday. we get a win and we never have to suffer another one of your posts.
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