Don't Let the Door Hit You in the Ass, Daboll and Delhomme!
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If there was a way to literally keep Mangini away from the offense... I could live with it. But that's not how head coaches generally operate. He has an odd view of quarterbacks (he thought he could win with Kellen Clemens), one that's a decade or two behind the league.
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If there was a way to literally keep Mangini away from the offense... I could live with it. But that's not how head coaches generally operate. He has an odd view of quarterbacks (he thought he could win with Kellen Clemens), one that's a decade or two behind the league.
If there was a way to literally keep Mangini away from the offense... I could live with it. But that's not how head coaches generally operate. He has an odd view of quarterbacks (he thought he could win with Kellen Clemens), one that's a decade or two behind the league.
i don't think you judge the HC that way. first off look at what the guy has to work with. it's not like he's got tom brady playing qb for him and TO running routes. he's trying to rebuild a solid team that had nothing. zero. zilch. colt showed real promise before getting hurt. if we would have won a couple of those games that we should have won we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. starting delhomme is very sketchy though and i'm wondering if there is pressure from the FO to do so. the offense doesn't look the same with the old guy out there, no spark.
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If there was a way to literally keep Mangini away from the offense... I could live with it. But that's not how head coaches generally operate. He has an odd view of quarterbacks (he thought he could win with Kellen Clemens), one that's a decade or two behind the league.
If there was a way to literally keep Mangini away from the offense... I could live with it. But that's not how head coaches generally operate. He has an odd view of quarterbacks (he thought he could win with Kellen Clemens), one that's a decade or two behind the league.
Shep,
That's BS and you know it. Gruden thought he could win with Chris Simms. Show me an NFL coach and I will show you one who has made piss-poor judgements about QB talent.
For crying out loud, Holmgren spearheaded the Delhomme move. He also traded FOR Charlie Frye. Want me to keep going?
You want to claim Mangini is the problem on offense? That's rich. Fine, then he's done a wonderful job holding Rob Ryan's and Brad Seely's hands with the defense and special teams. No credit to those guys, whatsoever.
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Sunday sealed it: Delhomme won't be playing the rest of the season and probably won't be back next year. McCoy was the third quarterback yesterday and seemed to be moving around well. If he can't go Sunday, the Browns are compelled to go with Wallace, who beat the Bengals once and was playing better before he was hurt than Delhomme can dream of at this point in his career... a career based almost entirely on one season.
I think Daboll had about a 10 percent chance of returning next year prior to Sunday. Now he should go ahead and start looking for work. He's toast. I would bet two of my three testicles that we'll be running a full-on WCO next year and McCoy will be superb at it. We'll draft a big YAC WR like Green or Jones and have literally all of the key parts in place.
The question then becomes: Does Holmgren stop there or sack Mangini as well? Does he only take control of half the team, allowing Mangini to stay on as a neutered head coach? Seems unlikely.
What do you guys think? Can Mangini survive?
I really have to wonder...what was going through Mangini's head yesterday to make him keep Delhomme in the entire game? I could understand it, if we were getting beat by 3 td's, or if we were up by 3 td's...but when the game was very winnable, until the last 2 minutes....why? His facial expression showed the whole game that he was ready to puke. Why not make the change, and go to Wallace?....especially knowing that his job is hanging by a thread.
Holmgren brought in Delhomme and paid him the big bucks... so if you are Mangini what can you do but play the guy until there is no way anyone can say you gave up on Jake too soon? If Mangini benches JD what does it say about the decision to sign him in the first place? With Mangini being evaluated every year as to whether he keeps his job it is a tough place to be in. If he isn't successful in Cleveland he may never get another head coaching job.
IMO, changing coaches again this offseason would be a big mistake. Maybe a new OC if someone good comes available but we cant keep changing coaches every couple of years and think we can make progress as an organization.
I really have to wonder...what was going through Mangini's head yesterday to make him keep Delhomme in the entire game? I could understand it, if we were getting beat by 3 td's, or if we were up by 3 td's...but when the game was very winnable, until the last 2 minutes....why? His facial expression showed the whole game that he was ready to puke. Why not make the change, and go to Wallace?....especially knowing that his job is hanging by a thread.
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We need to scrap project mangini in full or we will merely suffer 8-8 seasons on his best years, the guy is a pathetic coach in many aspects, to stubborn, hardheaded and set in his flawed ways all while lacking much and demanding respect he hasnt earned..
Bye bye eric!
wow, you are all over the place. when we win mangini is ok. when we win a couple in a row you're like "he's starting to win me over" and when we lose you're at the front of the line ready to hang the guy. rome wasn't built in a day.
what do consistent winning franchises have in common. stability.
wow, you are all over the place. when we win mangini is ok. when we win a couple in a row you're like "he's starting to win me over" and when we lose you're at the front of the line ready to hang the guy. rome wasn't built in a day.
what do consistent winning franchises have in common. stability.
There seems to be a lot of that on this board...
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