Is Heckert Overrated?
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Nine starters my ass. Just b/c they start for the Browns doesn't make them NFL starters. Of Heckert's first draft only Haden could start for any team. And he was a top ten pick (7th). Ward would be a backup. McCoy 3rd string, maybe. Lauvao's a backup.
Second draft, he WAY overpaid for Taylor. On any other team he'd be in the rotation. But when you spend a #1 and a high #3 on a guy he HAS to be dominant. Taylor isn't. Little would be a role player, not a starter. Cameron a PS player and Marecic would be unemployed.
This last draft the fool traded up again for another injured RB. Then uses the 22nd overall pick on a 28y.o. rookie QB. Brilliant.
The word to best discribe Heckert as a GM is JAG. Just A Guy. Anybody, and I do mean ANYBODY could have done as well as he has over the last 3 drafts. Top ten picks in every draft and NO pro bowlers in the lot.
Clearly he's part of the problem, not the solution.
The good news is, he's gone after 7 more games.
Its probably a great view of your own ego you have there with your head up your ass.
The Cleveland Browns have not had a QB serve as their primary starting QB for 10 years since Otto Graham. Plum was 4 years, Ryan 6, Nelsen 4, Phipps 4, Sipe 8, Kosar 7, Couch 4, a few others served 2-3 years (O/Connell, Testaverde, McCoy, Anderson).
If he started for us for 6 years...that would be more than adequate.
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Bring back Spurgon Wynn or Paul McDonald.
You've set your sights too low in the quarterback world- sorry. What's wrong with drafting a Brady or Manning for a change that can light it up for 10+ years? The days of Otto Graham were 55 years ago- about time for another, no?
The only oldster qbs I can think of that made good were Roger Staubach and Kurt Warner. Jim Plunkett was a late bloomer too.
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The Cleveland Browns have not had a QB serve as their primary starting QB for 10 years since Otto Graham. Plum was 4 years, Ryan 6, Nelsen 4, Phipps 4, Sipe 8, Kosar 7, Couch 4, a few others served 2-3 years (O/Connell, Testaverde, McCoy, Anderson).
If he started for us for 6 years...that would be more than adequate.
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Bring back Spurgon Wynn or Paul McDonald.
You've set your sights too low in the quarterback world- sorry. What's wrong with drafting a Brady or Manning for a change that can light it up for 10+ years? The days of Otto Graham were 55 years ago- about time for another, no?
The only oldster qbs I can think of that made good were Roger Staubach and Kurt Warner. Jim Plunkett was a late bloomer too.
Bring back Spurgon Wynn or Paul McDonald.
You've set your sights too low in the quarterback world- sorry. What's wrong with drafting a Brady or Manning for a change that can light it up for 10+ years? The days of Otto Graham were 55 years ago- about time for another, no?
The only oldster qbs I can think of that made good were Roger Staubach and Kurt Warner. Jim Plunkett was a late bloomer too.
I am simply saying that if Brandon Weeden were to last until like age 35-36 his longevity here would be equal to that of any QB in the history of the franchise.
I will take another Brian Sipe or Bernie Kosar over the one year wonders we have had.
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Bring back Spurgon Wynn or Paul McDonald.
You've set your sights too low in the quarterback world- sorry. What's wrong with drafting a Brady or Manning for a change that can light it up for 10+ years? The days of Otto Graham were 55 years ago- about time for another, no?
The only oldster qbs I can think of that made good were Roger Staubach and Kurt Warner. Jim Plunkett was a late bloomer too.
I am simply saying that if Brandon Weeden were to last until like age 35-36 his longevity here would be equal to that of any QB in the history of the franchise.
I will take another Brian Sipe or Bernie Kosar over the one year wonders we have had.
I am simply saying that if Brandon Weeden were to last until like age 35-36 his longevity here would be equal to that of any QB in the history of the franchise.
I will take another Brian Sipe or Bernie Kosar over the one year wonders we have had.
Sure, who wouldn't.
I'm simply saying- how many qbs have made the HOF since Otto hung 'em up? Far too many. Just as a Super Bowl appearance, the Browns are way overdue in that regard.
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The Cleveland Browns have not had a QB serve as their primary starting QB for 10 years since Otto Graham. Plum was 4 years, Ryan 6, Nelsen 4, Phipps 4, Sipe 8, Kosar 7, Couch 4, a few others served 2-3 years (O/Connell, Testaverde, McCoy, Anderson).
If he started for us for 6 years...that would be more than adequate.
.
Bring back Spurgon Wynn or Paul McDonald.
You've set your sights too low in the quarterback world- sorry. What's wrong with drafting a Brady or Manning for a change that can light it up for 10+ years? The days of Otto Graham were 55 years ago- about time for another, no?
The only oldster qbs I can think of that made good were Roger Staubach and Kurt Warner. Jim Plunkett was a late bloomer too.
Bring back Spurgon Wynn or Paul McDonald.
You've set your sights too low in the quarterback world- sorry. What's wrong with drafting a Brady or Manning for a change that can light it up for 10+ years? The days of Otto Graham were 55 years ago- about time for another, no?
The only oldster qbs I can think of that made good were Roger Staubach and Kurt Warner. Jim Plunkett was a late bloomer too.
Depends how you look at it. Steve Young sat maybe the first 7 years of his career, so he was old when he finally got his chance. If you look at it that way, you can start to expand the list.
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Bring back Spurgon Wynn or Paul McDonald.
You've set your sights too low in the quarterback world- sorry. What's wrong with drafting a Brady or Manning for a change that can light it up for 10+ years? The days of Otto Graham were 55 years ago- about time for another, no?
The only oldster qbs I can think of that made good were Roger Staubach and Kurt Warner. Jim Plunkett was a late bloomer too.
Depends how you look at it. Steve Young sat maybe the first 7 years of his career, so he was old when he finally got his chance. If you look at it that way, you can start to expand the list.
Depends how you look at it. Steve Young sat maybe the first 7 years of his career, so he was old when he finally got his chance. If you look at it that way, you can start to expand the list.
Do you mean to imply that the PFHOF didn't give Young any credit for his accomplishments with the LA Express? They have certainly given others credit for their non-NFL time. Billy Shaw made the PFHOF without playing a single down as a member of an NFL team.
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Depends how you look at it. Steve Young sat maybe the first 7 years of his career, so he was old when he finally got his chance. If you look at it that way, you can start to expand the list.
Do you mean to imply that the PFHOF didn't give Young any credit for his accomplishments with the LA Express? They have certainly given others credit for their non-NFL time. Billy Shaw made the PFHOF without playing a single down as a member of an NFL team.
Do you mean to imply that the PFHOF didn't give Young any credit for his accomplishments with the LA Express? They have certainly given others credit for their non-NFL time. Billy Shaw made the PFHOF without playing a single down as a member of an NFL team.
It's safe to say that Young makes the hall of Fame without his Express or Buccaneer "accomplishments". Took over as the starter in SF at 31.
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Depends how you look at it. Steve Young sat maybe the first 7 years of his career, so he was old when he finally got his chance. If you look at it that way, you can start to expand the list.
Do you mean to imply that the PFHOF didn't give Young any credit for his accomplishments with the LA Express? They have certainly given others credit for their non-NFL time. Billy Shaw made the PFHOF without playing a single down as a member of an NFL team.
Do you mean to imply that the PFHOF didn't give Young any credit for his accomplishments with the LA Express? They have certainly given others credit for their non-NFL time. Billy Shaw made the PFHOF without playing a single down as a member of an NFL team.
I am not implying anything. I am saying there are numerous examples of QB's who finally got their chance and had good careers even though their starting point was at a "advanced" age compared to a player who got his shot out of or shortly after college.
Warren Moon and Joe Theisman are a couple more than just popped in to my head.
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Do you mean to imply that the PFHOF didn't give Young any credit for his accomplishments with the LA Express? They have certainly given others credit for their non-NFL time. Billy Shaw made the PFHOF without playing a single down as a member of an NFL team.
I am not implying anything. I am saying there are numerous examples of QB's who finally got their chance and had good careers even though their starting point was at a "advanced" age compared to a player who got his shot out of or shortly after college.
Warren Moon and Joe Theisman are a couple more than just popped in to my head.
I am not implying anything. I am saying there are numerous examples of QB's who finally got their chance and had good careers even though their starting point was at a "advanced" age compared to a player who got his shot out of or shortly after college.
Warren Moon and Joe Theisman are a couple more than just popped in to my head.
OK, point made. Also, maybe some of the following were already mentioned: Kurt Warner..Arena League, Roger Staubach..military, Doug Flutie...Canada, Joe Kapp...Canada, Jim Kelly...USFL.
Kelly is in the Top 20 in most passing categories. Had he had his USFL years in the NFL he may well have been hitting close to the top 5 in those categories.
The record keeping agencies, like PFR etc. do count AAFC and AFL records, but not USFL or Canada records.
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