Let's Revisit When The Giants 'sold The Farm' For Eli Manning
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Russ, the franchise wrecker to me is giving up our second first round pick.
If by some miracle, that's all we have to give up, then I'm good with it. I don't think there's a chance that we can move up to the #2 only giving up the 4 and 22 but maybe if Manning goes to Miami and Washington signs Flynn and we'll know where both of those guys end up long before the draft.
If by some miracle, that's all we have to give up, then I'm good with it. I don't think there's a chance that we can move up to the #2 only giving up the 4 and 22 but maybe if Manning goes to Miami and Washington signs Flynn and we'll know where both of those guys end up long before the draft.
I am not willing to make the trade if we have to give up #22.
In the words of G.H.W. Bush: "Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent".
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Why do you even think that RGIII is going to be that good a QB?
Media hype is surrounding the guy. But he was a one year wonder at a football program that was unremarkable. Granted so was Ben Roethlisberger, but Ben is 6'5" and bigger. Plus, RGIII specializes in throwing the deep ball, is remarkably fast and had great interviews (which has prompted the hype).
But the days of QBs succeeding with the deep ball are not in this era. This is a short passing era with a premium on accuracy - Bernie Kosar was slow, had an average deep ball - but was amazingly accurate. He'd be perfect for this era - but that is moot.
The Browns have already passed on Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rogers, future Hall of Famers. They had chances at talented but still developing QBs like Josh Freeman and Andy Dalton. They made no attempt to acquire FAs Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Mike Vick or trade for Matt Cassell or Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez were available for the taking, although they can be considered products of the system more than others, but with 2 Conference Championship Games apiece no one can deny have been successful. The only agressive QB move made since Couch was drafted was Quinn (Couch career was cut short because he was brutalized by hits and Quinn got no chance at all).
Roethlisberger can be considered anywhere between the 3rd and 6th best QB in the league -- and have 3 Super Bowl appearances and a number of NFL records to his credit. Joe Thomas is the best LT in football. Every single time, the 3rd-6th best QB has more impact on winning than the best LT, or the best CB, G, TE, or NT. I get the idea about getting RGIII, but a guy with no proven ability to consistently be accurate at throwing between 5-20 yards, no does anyone know is mental toughness when it comes down to converting that tough 3rd and 8. My point is, do you want to sacrifice all those draft picks where you can stack up a team and get a better QB in the future, one that can walk into a loaded situation like Ben and Rogers did. Or do you want to go after a short, small deep ball specialist with a pedigree of Akali Smith or Jeff Blake?
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Why do you even think that RGIII is going to be that good a QB?
Media hype is surrounding the guy. But he was a one year wonder at a football program that was unremarkable. Granted so was Ben Roethlisberger, but Ben is 6'5" and bigger. Plus, RGIII specializes in throwing the deep ball, is remarkably fast and had great interviews (which has prompted the hype).
But the days of QBs succeeding with the deep ball are not in this era. This is a short passing era with a premium on accuracy - Bernie Kosar was slow, had an average deep ball - but was amazingly accurate. He'd be perfect for this era - but that is moot.
The Browns have already passed on Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rogers, future Hall of Famers. They had chances at talented but still developing QBs like Josh Freeman and Andy Dalton. They made no attempt to acquire FAs Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Mike Vick or trade for Matt Cassell or Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez were available for the taking, although they can be considered products of the system more than others, but with 2 Conference Championship Games apiece no one can deny have been successful. The only agressive QB move made since Couch was drafted was Quinn (Couch career was cut short because he was brutalized by hits and Quinn got no chance at all).
Roethlisberger can be considered anywhere between the 3rd and 6th best QB in the league -- and have 3 Super Bowl appearances and a number of NFL records to his credit. Joe Thomas is the best LT in football. Every single time, the 3rd-6th best QB has more impact on winning than the best LT, or the best CB, G, TE, or NT. I get the idea about getting RGIII, but a guy with no proven ability to consistently be accurate at throwing between 5-20 yards, no does anyone know is mental toughness when it comes down to converting that tough 3rd and 8. My point is, do you want to sacrifice all those draft picks where you can stack up a team and get a better QB in the future, one that can walk into a loaded situation like Ben and Rogers did. Or do you want to go after a short, small deep ball specialist with a pedigree of Akali Smith or Jeff Blake?
Why do you even think that RGIII is going to be that good a QB?
Media hype is surrounding the guy. But he was a one year wonder at a football program that was unremarkable. Granted so was Ben Roethlisberger, but Ben is 6'5" and bigger. Plus, RGIII specializes in throwing the deep ball, is remarkably fast and had great interviews (which has prompted the hype).
But the days of QBs succeeding with the deep ball are not in this era. This is a short passing era with a premium on accuracy - Bernie Kosar was slow, had an average deep ball - but was amazingly accurate. He'd be perfect for this era - but that is moot.
The Browns have already passed on Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rogers, future Hall of Famers. They had chances at talented but still developing QBs like Josh Freeman and Andy Dalton. They made no attempt to acquire FAs Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Mike Vick or trade for Matt Cassell or Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez were available for the taking, although they can be considered products of the system more than others, but with 2 Conference Championship Games apiece no one can deny have been successful. The only agressive QB move made since Couch was drafted was Quinn (Couch career was cut short because he was brutalized by hits and Quinn got no chance at all).
Roethlisberger can be considered anywhere between the 3rd and 6th best QB in the league -- and have 3 Super Bowl appearances and a number of NFL records to his credit. Joe Thomas is the best LT in football. Every single time, the 3rd-6th best QB has more impact on winning than the best LT, or the best CB, G, TE, or NT. I get the idea about getting RGIII, but a guy with no proven ability to consistently be accurate at throwing between 5-20 yards, no does anyone know is mental toughness when it comes down to converting that tough 3rd and 8. My point is, do you want to sacrifice all those draft picks where you can stack up a team and get a better QB in the future, one that can walk into a loaded situation like Ben and Rogers did. Or do you want to go after a short, small deep ball specialist with a pedigree of Akali Smith or Jeff Blake?
You are the worst type of fan - the type who is blatantly uninformed only to hide behind sweeping generalizations to mask their lack of knowledge.
But if we draft RGIII and he wins, you'd be the first to cheer like you're some sorta of Superfan who always believed in him from the start.
No thank you to fans like you.
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Why do you even think that RGIII is going to be that good a QB?
Media hype is surrounding the guy. But he was a one year wonder at a football program that was unremarkable. Granted so was Ben Roethlisberger, but Ben is 6'5" and bigger. Plus, RGIII specializes in throwing the deep ball, is remarkably fast and had great interviews (which has prompted the hype).
But the days of QBs succeeding with the deep ball are not in this era. This is a short passing era with a premium on accuracy - Bernie Kosar was slow, had an average deep ball - but was amazingly accurate. He'd be perfect for this era - but that is moot.
The Browns have already passed on Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rogers, future Hall of Famers. They had chances at talented but still developing QBs like Josh Freeman and Andy Dalton. They made no attempt to acquire FAs Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Mike Vick or trade for Matt Cassell or Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez were available for the taking, although they can be considered products of the system more than others, but with 2 Conference Championship Games apiece no one can deny have been successful. The only agressive QB move made since Couch was drafted was Quinn (Couch career was cut short because he was brutalized by hits and Quinn got no chance at all).
Roethlisberger can be considered anywhere between the 3rd and 6th best QB in the league -- and have 3 Super Bowl appearances and a number of NFL records to his credit. Joe Thomas is the best LT in football. Every single time, the 3rd-6th best QB has more impact on winning than the best LT, or the best CB, G, TE, or NT. I get the idea about getting RGIII, but a guy with no proven ability to consistently be accurate at throwing between 5-20 yards, no does anyone know is mental toughness when it comes down to converting that tough 3rd and 8. My point is, do you want to sacrifice all those draft picks where you can stack up a team and get a better QB in the future, one that can walk into a loaded situation like Ben and Rogers did. Or do you want to go after a short, small deep ball specialist with a pedigree of Akali Smith or Jeff Blake?
Why do you even think that RGIII is going to be that good a QB?
Media hype is surrounding the guy. But he was a one year wonder at a football program that was unremarkable. Granted so was Ben Roethlisberger, but Ben is 6'5" and bigger. Plus, RGIII specializes in throwing the deep ball, is remarkably fast and had great interviews (which has prompted the hype).
But the days of QBs succeeding with the deep ball are not in this era. This is a short passing era with a premium on accuracy - Bernie Kosar was slow, had an average deep ball - but was amazingly accurate. He'd be perfect for this era - but that is moot.
The Browns have already passed on Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rogers, future Hall of Famers. They had chances at talented but still developing QBs like Josh Freeman and Andy Dalton. They made no attempt to acquire FAs Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Mike Vick or trade for Matt Cassell or Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez were available for the taking, although they can be considered products of the system more than others, but with 2 Conference Championship Games apiece no one can deny have been successful. The only agressive QB move made since Couch was drafted was Quinn (Couch career was cut short because he was brutalized by hits and Quinn got no chance at all).
Roethlisberger can be considered anywhere between the 3rd and 6th best QB in the league -- and have 3 Super Bowl appearances and a number of NFL records to his credit. Joe Thomas is the best LT in football. Every single time, the 3rd-6th best QB has more impact on winning than the best LT, or the best CB, G, TE, or NT. I get the idea about getting RGIII, but a guy with no proven ability to consistently be accurate at throwing between 5-20 yards, no does anyone know is mental toughness when it comes down to converting that tough 3rd and 8. My point is, do you want to sacrifice all those draft picks where you can stack up a team and get a better QB in the future, one that can walk into a loaded situation like Ben and Rogers did. Or do you want to go after a short, small deep ball specialist with a pedigree of Akali Smith or Jeff Blake?
Second things first- what do you mean Quinn got no chance? He got enough chances to prove he sucked. And if you need any more proof of that- he can't even beat out Tim Tebow in Denver- who happens to be a really lousy quarterback.
Your other points are well taken. That road did work for the Steelers. But do you really want to go through another crap season going 6-10 so we have yet another top 10 pick to have a realistic shot at a qb that won't even likely grade out as high as Griffin? (I don't- I'd rather go through a crap season knowing we have the key piece of the puzzle in place) Or do you want to hope we get lucky and find another Breese, Marino, or Brady lower in the draft? (The odds aren't in our favor) There's the Madden Curse that hit Hillis- there's also the Heisman Jinx- I'm hoping it bypasses RGIII. It did Eddie George.
BTW, Griffin was NOT a one year wonder.... RGIII career stats.... Had one off year when he was injured.
There's a YouTube of his game against Oklahoma floating around, and I'd check out how he throws his slant patterns and quick outs. The majority are accurate, and with a zip McCoy can only dream about. If you like, fast forward to the last play of the game and tell me if Colt can make a throw like that. Speaking of Colt, one of the reasons he was getting pulverized last year is teams don't respect his ability to throw deep. Yeah- we don't know if RGIII can read an NFL defense- but I'm afraid the same can be said for Andrew Luck.
Finally, Griffin is short and small- and exactly the same height & weight as Bret Favre. Joe Montana checked in at the same height, and 15 pounds lighter. Warren Moon was a whole inch taller, the same weight, and managed to last 17 NFL seasons, not counting the additional six in the CFL. Please put the short, small, argument to rest- the combine conclusively proved he's big enough to get it done.
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Okay... first of all, this:
"I am not willing to make the trade if we have to give up #22.
In the words of G.H.W. Bush: "Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent". GIP
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Second of all, surely, seems to me, that there are ulterior motives for someone wanting us to dish out three number ones, and etc etc etc etc,
whatever it takes, to get RGIII. Seriously? Can't be. Is it because he's black? I only say that because if the Colts pick RGIII, would you think the same
about Luck? If not, have a long quiet talk with yourself.
Is it because you aren't a Browns fan, and you want the Browns to kill there chances of fixing several weaknesses so you can laugh ?
Or, do you not understand it's a team game. Now, come on. I would LOVE the Browns to nab RGIII OR LUCK with their #4.... I believe in
the Browns FO if they make a trade. But that trade WILL NOT be decimating the growth of the Browns in the draft overall. Seriously.
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