Trent Richardson
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I like Bush too. His numbers have gotten better every year in the league
and it looks like he knows how to hang onto the ball. I bet he is closer to 260 lbs.
I watched him fairly often when he was with Louisville and was impressed. Too bad he broke his leg but seemingly his toughness has got him
back playing at a competetive level.
Makes sense to me picking up a FA who has proven he can produce in this league instead of rolling the dice and
crapping out on a hyped first round draft pick.
Michael Bush already signed with the Bears. No point in talking about him.
Michael Bush already signed with the Bears. No point in talking about him.
thanx for the update
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Michael Bush already signed with the Bears. No point in talking about him.
thanx for the update
thanx for the update
Honestly surprised more people didn't know about this. It happened like a week ago. Right after it happened Barber decided to retire as well. Was pretty big news on ESPN. Supposedly Matt Forte wasn't too happy about the signing, I actually know less about his contract situation. Did he already resign and for how long?
Edit: Oh and I wanted to also say, regardless of what side of the fence you are on with Richardson, you have to be excited to see what his numbers are going to be today for his pro day.
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Forte was franchised (for like $7.7 mil)
Then Bears signed Bush.
Now Forte feels "disrespected" and went off on Bears on Twitter.
Lovie let Forte know he still loves him and is optimistic a long-term deal will still happen (although Lovie doesn't get involved in contract negotiations
).Now Forte is subject of trade rumors... most notably with Pats.
I kinda hope we are in those discussions.
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Well, I think that we've all seen all that we need to see on Trent Richardson. Unbelieveable runningback with uncanny instincts coupled with power and speed. 4.4 - 4.5 speed, in that frame? Pittsburgh is going to need to upgrade their defense and Baltimore is shaking in their cleats... Trent Richardson changes everything about our offense and makes us relevant... as relevant as taking RG3 would have made us, maybe better because RG3's transition into the pros is still in question where as Trent is a lock to show up big his rookie year... Possibly even Rookie of the year status(over Luck, RG3 and Kalil, Claiborn and Blackmon) is certainly possible.
With the fourth pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, The Cleveland Browns select: Runningback Trent Richardson University of Alabama! Having the pick announced by Jim Brown would make this selection epic.
TR#3 or Bust!
I actually cheered during his proday when he snagged that high thrown ball, one handed on the sideline!
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Well, I think that we've all seen all that we need to see on Trent Richardson. Unbelieveable runningback with uncanny instincts coupled with power and speed. 4.4 - 4.5 speed, in that frame? Pittsburgh is going to need to upgrade their defense and Baltimore is shaking in their cleats... Trent Richardson changes everything about our offense and makes us relevant... as relevant as taking RG3 would have made us, maybe better because RG3's transition into the pros is still in question where as Trent is a lock to show up big his rookie year... Possibly even Rookie of the year status(over Luck, RG3 and Kalil, Claiborn and Blackmon) is certainly possible.
With the fourth pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, The Cleveland Browns select: Runningback Trent Richardson University of Alabama! Having the pick announced by Jim Brown would make this selection epic.
TR#3 or Bust!
I actually cheered during his proday when he snagged that high thrown ball, one handed on the sideline!
Well, I think that we've all seen all that we need to see on Trent Richardson. Unbelieveable runningback with uncanny instincts coupled with power and speed. 4.4 - 4.5 speed, in that frame? Pittsburgh is going to need to upgrade their defense and Baltimore is shaking in their cleats... Trent Richardson changes everything about our offense and makes us relevant... as relevant as taking RG3 would have made us, maybe better because RG3's transition into the pros is still in question where as Trent is a lock to show up big his rookie year... Possibly even Rookie of the year status(over Luck, RG3 and Kalil, Claiborn and Blackmon) is certainly possible.
With the fourth pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, The Cleveland Browns select: Runningback Trent Richardson University of Alabama! Having the pick announced by Jim Brown would make this selection epic.
TR#3 or Bust!
I actually cheered during his proday when he snagged that high thrown ball, one handed on the sideline!
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Well, I think that we've all seen all that we need to see on Trent Richardson. Unbelieveable runningback with uncanny instincts coupled with power and speed. 4.4 - 4.5 speed, in that frame? Pittsburgh is going to need to upgrade their defense and Baltimore is shaking in their cleats... Trent Richardson changes everything about our offense and makes us relevant... as relevant as taking RG3 would have made us, maybe better because RG3's transition into the pros is still in question where as Trent is a lock to show up big his rookie year... Possibly even Rookie of the year status(over Luck, RG3 and Kalil, Claiborn and Blackmon) is certainly possible.
With the fourth pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, The Cleveland Browns select: Runningback Trent Richardson University of Alabama! Having the pick announced by Jim Brown would make this selection epic.
TR#3 or Bust!
I actually cheered during his proday when he snagged that high thrown ball, one handed on the sideline!
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Well, I think that we've all seen all that we need to see on Trent Richardson. Unbelieveable runningback with uncanny instincts coupled with power and speed. 4.4 - 4.5 speed, in that frame? Pittsburgh is going to need to upgrade their defense and Baltimore is shaking in their cleats... Trent Richardson changes everything about our offense and makes us relevant... as relevant as taking RG3 would have made us, maybe better because RG3's transition into the pros is still in question where as Trent is a lock to show up big his rookie year... Possibly even Rookie of the year status(over Luck, RG3 and Kalil, Claiborn and Blackmon) is certainly possible.
With the fourth pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, The Cleveland Browns select: Runningback Trent Richardson University of Alabama! Having the pick announced by Jim Brown would make this selection epic.
TR#3 or Bust!
I actually cheered during his proday when he snagged that high thrown ball, one handed on the sideline!
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.
Seriously.
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Having read this board for a while can anyone confirm who they think PoeticG would like the Browns to select with the number 4 pick ?
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Orange County? Did you move?
Only 6 years ago... Its easier for skippy to keep saying San Diego so I just go with it.
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Orange County? Did you move?
Only 6 years ago... Its easier for skippy to keep saying San Diego so I just go with it.
Only 6 years ago... Its easier for skippy to keep saying San Diego so I just go with it.
I dunno. It was kinda cool to say you are from San Diego. To say you are from Orange County sounds kinda douchey, don't it? I mean, even the swallows of Capistrano have abandoned the mission for a bridge underpass.
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I just live here....if anyone asks me...I'm originally from Ohio. It wasn't my choice. Orange County people suck...
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So, I'm a homo because a player made a great play?
...Oh yeah, I'm supposed to snap my fingers and blink really fast like you do, so as to not be a homo... is that it? Or maybe I should should blurt out "CHECKMATE" and borrow your pocket protector while fantasizing about your mother? If none of this makes any sense to you, join the club because that's exactly the way I feel everytime I read anything you say... I bet you abuse animals and wear ladies underwear as well...
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Well, I think that we've all seen all that we need to see on Trent Richardson. Unbelieveable runningback with uncanny instincts coupled with power and speed. 4.4 - 4.5 speed, in that frame? Pittsburgh is going to need to upgrade their defense and Baltimore is shaking in their cleats... Trent Richardson changes everything about our offense and makes us relevant... as relevant as taking RG3 would have made us, maybe better because RG3's transition into the pros is still in question where as Trent is a lock to show up big his rookie year... Possibly even Rookie of the year status(over Luck, RG3 and Kalil, Claiborn and Blackmon) is certainly possible.
With the fourth pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, The Cleveland Browns select: Runningback Trent Richardson University of Alabama! Having the pick announced by Jim Brown would make this selection epic.
TR#3 or Bust!
I actually cheered during his proday when he snagged that high thrown ball, one handed on the sideline!
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.
Do you have anything to add to this topic or just want to reinforce the notion that your a complete dumbass? You are in the TRENT RICHARDSON thread... why don't you ADD SOMETHING to the discussion or you can FUCK.OFF.ALREADY.OKAY.GOT.IT.BUB... yeah, it really does look just as dumb if I do it... your lame ass is annoying.
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I was just out scouting around some of the Bucs message boards and I'm seeing a lot of the same things as what's going on around here. There seems to be a divide over there as well about whether or not to take Richardson or address other needs. It's funny it's the same but add in the facts that there is less name calling and more discussion going on over there on this topic. It's funny that when children get mad they intend to call names and cry about stuff, whereas grown men can usually act mature and hash things out with facts and opinions... tells a lot about peoples character, I'm sure your mom still likes you... somewhat...
Just to save you the trouble and hassel of writing a complete sentence(I know how hard it is for you), I will NOT be going over there and joining their board. I like it here. Being called homo or fag doesn't bother me. Being told to shut up with swear words doen't scare me either, I'm not your 4 year old daughter that you can bully around "big guy".
I'm here to talk about the Browns. Talk about the draft, specific players and positions, strategy, coaches, other teams strengths/weakness, fads, forums and junkies. Why would you come into a Thread about Richardson if you don't want to talk about Richardson? Seems like you have an agenda my friend.
So, you don't like Richardson or you just not enough to pick him at four?...
Wait, let me try this another way... So basically you like and have your own "man-crush" on another player, is that it?
Here, let me subjubate myself again to your level of reasoning... Does your "mancrush" have bigger muscles than my "mancrush"? Or better yet... "I bet you your lunch money that my "mancrush" could kick your mancrush's butt"!
I didn't know that in order to be impressed by a player's ability or potential that you had to want to cuddle up with them and play doctor. I'm sensing some deep seeded anger in you, something that's eating at you just beneath the surface... Let's see here, why don't we start off by having you tell us a little about your father, did he... "touch you"? Did he play any... "strange games" with you as a child? It's okay, nobody's gonna hurt you anymore...
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I am truly torn on TR. The kid seems like a beast and the transition to the NFL should be relatively smooth.
My 2 concerns are...
The physical toll that is taken on a RB's body is greater then any other position which obviously increases the chance of injury. And it seems like every year rookie running backs drop like flies. Last year we saw Leshoure and Stphen Williams go down before the season started, and then Demarco Murry during the season ... the year before both Hardesty and Tate went down before the season and Jahvid best during the season ... you are getting the point. I would hate to see us grab a RB at 4 onlly to have hom go down during the pre season. Problem with that thinking is anyone could get hurt.
My second concern is it seems like you can get high quality running backs deeper in the draft. Aside from CJ and Peterson all the top running backs in the game were not first round picks.
The thing that does make me lean towards him though is if we pass on him and take Blackmmon I am going to be dissapointed as well. I don't think anyone who we can get at 4 gives us great value for the pick aside from Claiborne and Kahill. Kahill we obviously do not need, and if we take Claiborne we will most likely lose him or Haden after there rookie deals are up because keeping to high end corners will cost too much. I would really explore trading out of the pick if I was Heckert. It would be nice to end up at around 8 after making 2-3 trades to get there and picking up multiple teams second or third rounders in the process.
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Just ask Cal, my choice at #4 has always been Richardson. He will do more to take pressure OFF the QB more than any other draftee. Here is some of what he brings...
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/richardson_trent00.html
Mike
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Let me try and address your concerns...
1)Injuries are a big concern for Runningbacks but injuries do happen. There is no way to predict that an injury will happen but there is also no way of really preventing an accident. In order to give yourself the best shot at staying away from an injury you must first look at RISK, whether someone is prone to being injured. Now, there are ways to help give yourself a better chance to avoid injury, such as being able to avoid contact by shaking someone. Being in really good shape and having sound development of all your muscles probably helps. I mean, having a huge upperbody and a slim lowerbody probably would equate to receiving more injuries on the lowerbody. Being symmetrical and in balance all around gives you the best chance. Some players get hurt doing things completely outside of football, take Kellen Winslow Jr. for example, he received his injuries before he ever stepped on the field. There is no way to really no, the best advice is to work as hard as you can and not to think about it. If you think about it(being injured) you will play differently, you'll play scared. When a player plays scared he'll compensate for this risk or that chance and this might actually increase his potential to being injured. When talking about injuries the most important thing is to accept that they do happen and to know that if they DO happen to a certain player, does that player have a strong mental willpower to rehab the injury and put in all the work required to get back to being 100%? I played football, basketball and ran track and field... the worst injury that I ever had happened to me during a game of H.O.R.S.E. with my pregnant girlfriend! I landed on an uneven part of the pavement and rolled my ankle snapping tendons and tearing ligaments. You just never know...
1)Risk
2)Ability to minimize contact with speed/elusiveness
3)Body type/Build
4)Does the player make sound descisions outside of football
5)Luck plays a role
6)Strong Mental Willpower to rehab and get back to where they were before the injury happened
It's possible that we hear a lot about runningback injuries because many times the runningbacks that we remember being hurt are a teams featured backs, guys that have a lot of value on a team. So when a feature back goes down you typically lose a good amount of the production that the player would give you. Teams that have a star runningback usually only carry one very good one. Where as 2, 3 or even 4 WR's are typically on the field, only one really good runningback usually dominates a teams HB spot. Yes, you'll have other plays there for depth but they are not usually on the level of your star runningback.
Second Concern- RB in the 1st vs. RB elsewhere in the draft
This is a complicated matter and could easily be the topic of an entire thread... and probably should be. I'm not an expert on this but I'd say, Yes. Runningbacks CAN be found anywhere, in the draft, at the park, in an office or with a fox eating green eggs and ham... in a box. What you have to look at is the individual player, his makeup, his "DNA" if you will. You have to look at the competition that he's faced. You have to look at work ethic, drive and determination. Will. Ability. The system he ran in. His blockers. The air game or lack there of in the team he's on. There are so many things that factor into where a guy goes in the draft, or if he is drafted at all. If this was a complete science Foster would have gone in the first, or is his success a factor of his system, his blockers... what is it that makes a runningback great? Can you tell just by looking at the guy if he gonna be Elite or Average? You have to factor in all the tools that he has in his disposal. Speed, Elusiveness, Power. Vision. Catching Ability. Blocking Ablility. Intelligence. Endurance... Rarely, you'll find a Runningback that has all of these traits rolled into one player. If you do, you could consider that the player may be Elite, a special talent- It's then that a player separates himself from the pack and becomes coveted... Coveted enough and the stock becomes much higher for the player. If there is a RB and he is slated to go in the third round, he might not have all the traits of an Elite RB, which would cause a team to pass on him multiple times, taking other players with more ability or filling more pressing team needs. It doesn't mean that he's not good just that he is not Elite.
If Cleveland is thinking about taking a runningback in the first round, you have a pick #4 and a pick #22. At four you have the chance to take a back that rates off the charts in every measurable trait(except maybe speed, however 4.4 is NOT slow) and is considered to be in that Elite group. If you pass on RB at #4 you'll have to wait until #22 for your next chance to grab a RB. At number 22 you will then be down to the 3rd runningback from this draft class, far removed from an Elite RB. Elite Runners only appear every once in a while. If Elite runners were to be had every year, every team would have one by now, it's simply not the case. Finding Elite players AT ANY POSITION is very difficult, when you have the chance to snag one, you do. People that say the value is not there in picking an Elite RB at 4 have a personal agenda. There isn't a team in the NFL that wouldn't love to have an Elite Runningback like Trent Richardson on their team. We are very lucky this year in that 2 very QB needy teams are picking ahead of us and two highly coveted QBs are there for the taking, which will go 1 & 2. QB being the most important position in football. The team just before we pick HAS an Elite Runningback(which I think they would still love to have Trent Richardson)and has a chance to take the best LT since Joe Thomas. Then it's us. We have an opportunity that really we are very lucky to be in this year. Usually the really valuable Elite guys get snagged up just before we get on the clock, well, not this year. There is still one left to be had. There is IMO, 3 Elite players this year- Luck, Kalil, and Richardson...
Trent Richardson WILL go in the top 10, possibly #5 to TBay if we pass on him. Then it's widely know the Bengals will be RB shopping and take the next best runningback(they have 2 picks before we get to pick again). When it finally our time to select we will then have to "reach" for a runningback.
As far as what is a good value at #4 or #22 it's all subjective. Tebow was picked in the first round and he's no longer with the team that drafted him. Every FO is different in the way they think about value. You might take a guy earlier than you'd like to because another team has targeted them and they'll be gone before you pick again. It's all about how much you like a certain player, if they have that IT factor, and if you simply HAVE to have them. When I hear people say an Elite runningback is not to be had at 4 because of the value of the pick, it doesn't make any sense. Elite IS Elite, when you can add an Elite player you do. Value is something you get when talkinga about Wal-Mart, it's cheap but what's it made out of?
Some would argue that "Blackmon is just as Elite"... this isn't true. A part about being Elite is that you're not going to find it in every draft. Last year, A.J. Green was considered Elite. If Blackmon came out in the draft last year and Green, Blackmon, and Jones are sitting there and you've got the pick... you take Green because he's Elite. If Blackmon and Calvin Johnson are there, same thing... there is NO question who's the pick. There will be other drafts and other Elite WRs that will come out. But force feeding us this "Blackmon is Elite" is untrue, he's good but he is not Elite. We can still get a "good" WR at 22, not Elite but good which is the same as we would get for a WR at 4... good.
So, the question I have is: With the fourth overall pick of the 2012 NFL Draft... do you select an Elite Runningback or a Good Wide Receiver? The answer for me, is obvious.
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