Hines Ward Retires

[The Gipper]

@fsg said:

How ignorant are you really? The NFL itself did not have a championship game from 1920-1932,

So what? They did name Champions.

they did not have a balanced schedule,

The NFL doesn't have a balanced schedule now.

they did not have an organized league.

Of course they had an organized league. Jesus, do you never read anything? What do you think Jim Thorpe and George Halas were doing that day in the Hayes Huppmobile Office? Having a sewing circle? They were organizing a league. If you would like I can take you to the spot it happended.

The NFL of that era bears no resemblance to the one that would exist even 20 years later,

How the fuck would you know? The NFL has been evolving all along. The NFL of 20 years ago doesn't resemble the NFL of Today.

to say nothing of today - it was not the full time job of players, it was a barnstorming league and since championships were awarded, no less than 4 were disputed - including to this day the Pottsville Maroons NFL Championship in 1925.

That was all part of the evolution of the league. And to my knowledge ONLY the one was disputed...by Pottsville. Again, so what? That was the era. I don't know how old you are, but rest assured, the game of today has about as much resemblence to the game of the 70s as the game of the 70s had to the game of the 20s. History happens. I am not sure why you can't handle that fact.

You sound like a damn fool - I am referring to actual NFL History, you are desperately trying to make Cleveland stand out as the greatest NFL team of all time - using 5 different teams as one to do it.

When I list the Championship attributable to a particular market, I use all teams in that market. Cleveland is not the only city to have multiple franchises that have won titles.

Boston/New England (Steamrollers/Pats) has multiple franchises as does: Chicago (Cards/Bear), New York(Giants/Jets), Dallas(Texans/Cowboys), Los Angeles(Rams/Raiders), The Bay area (49ers/Raiders), Philadelphia (Yellow Jackets/Eagle). Note that the Cleveland area isn't the only regione with more than one city named in that region, nor is it the only one with a defunct team..

Why do you consider Akron and Canton as NE Ohio franchises to be interchangeable with Cleveland? You are the one that keeps saying CLEVELAND has 13 NFL Championships when the history books clearly indicate they do not. NE Ohio is NOT Cleveland. Akron is not Cleveland. Canton is not Cleveland.

Why are you so stupid about this? I am counting the "market area", the geographic hub.

Arlington isn't Dallas...East Rutherford isn't New York...Foxboro isn't Boston...Landover MD isn't Washington D.C., Orchard Park isn't Buffalo, Miami Gardens isn't Miami, Pontiac wasn't Detroit, Glendale isn't Phoenix, Anaheim isn't LA, the "San Francisco 49ers" will soon be playing in Santa Clara, 35 miles away. Nashville isn't Tennessee, Minneapolis isn't Minnesota, Arizona isn't Glendale or Phoenix or whatever, New England is a 5 state area.

It's actually fun, watching you desperately and feebly attempt to legitimize football championships in Cleveland. You embarrass yourself more and more each time.

Then apparently the entire cities and states of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Boston, Foxboro Providence, New York City, New York State, Buffalo, Orchard Park , Maryland, Landover, the District of Columbia, Nashville, Tennessee, Florida, Miami, Miami Gardens, Minneapolis, St. Paul, Minnesota, Texas, Irving, Arlington, Dallas, Glendale, Phoenix, Arizona, San Francisco, Santa Clara, California etc.etc. must all embarass themselves as well.

Or maybe they just don't have their sphincters puckered quite as tight as you do, nor do they try to spin on the head of a needle worrying about such thing like geographis boundaries like you do.

Here are the facts: the NFL Record and Fact Book lists NFL/AFL Championships prior to the Super Bowl in the same classification as NFC/AFC Championships.

NO, they don't. You are wrong.

What that means is, at best, you have half as many NFL Championships as the Steelers do, and 6 less Super Bowls which - in case you haven't noticed, is what the teams ccurrently play for.

Currently. Operative term. Prior to whenever they played for a championship by some different name. In the future that may change as well.

Evolution...every scientist on earth knows that it is a confirmed fact.

All except of course, stupid, fundamentalist, creationists....like you apparently.

AND GOD CREATED THE EARTH, THE STARS, THE SUN AND THE SEAS ONLY AT SUCH POINT IN TIME THAT THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS BECAME WORTH A SHIT. Stupidicus 9:70

Just look at the Giants Super Bowl ring design - it features 4 Lombardi Trophies on it, signifying the 4 Super Bowls. Green Bay did the same thing last year.

I know it sucks to be you - but you're a pompous ass anyway for the WTC comments - the reality is that you've been rooting for a loser for over 40 years.

That is the only accurate thing you have said in 100 posts. But, someday, the Browns will win. You however, will, apparently always be ignorant.

(and it has been now 48 years. I was 12 when the Browns last won a title. I know in my heart that your sorry sack of shit ass couldn't last as long. What I don't know is if you are a Fairweather fan, or a FRAK. Hopefully the former)

You accuse Pittsburgh fans of not acknowledging the NFL since 1974, but Cleveland Browns fans like you seem to think the only NFL that matters is what happened before 1964.

Where on earth did you get that? We acknowledge everything since 1920....we certainly know the Browns have not won since '64. What fucking board have you been reading?

The thing is: you are hung up on the truth. You can't handle it. Don't know why.

All you need to say is that "we have won 6 titles since 1974(?) and you have won none". And all we can say is "yes, you have".

But, apparently, that is not good enough for you, and I am not sure why.

Clearly an inferiority complex. Maybe in your case justified. (Certainly not in the Steeler's case)

[The Gipper]

Designates all 210 Markets in the United States, detailing each county and state for Single Unit and Area Franchise Development Sales. The DMA system is a nationally accepted standard by all Media. The DMA map is an excellent method of awarding territories to area developers and multi-unit Franchisee's.

Designated market areas in the US.

•1 New York 7,493,530 20,093,347 2.68

•2 Los Angeles 5,659,170 17,036,504 3.01

•3 Chicago 3,501,010 9,381,467 2.68

•4 Philadelphia 2,955,190 7,444,967 2.52

•5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,544,410 6,786,334 2.67

•6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,503,400 6,718,840 2.68

•7 Atlanta 2,387,520 6,316,859 2.65

•8 Boston (Manchester) 2,410,180 5,983,812 2.48

•9 Washington, DC (Hagerstown) 2,335,040 5,935,943 2.54

•10 Houston 2,123,460 5,883,467 2.77

•11 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,873,930 4,982,357 2.66

•12 Detroit 1,890,220 4,757,983 2.52

•13 Seattle-Tacoma 1,833,990 4,492,765 2.45

•14 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,732,050 4,283,492 2.47

•15 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,805,810 4,177,920 2.31

•16 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,538,090 4,104,449 2.67

•17 Denver 1,539,380 3,839,416 2.49

•18 Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto 1,404,580 3,837,728 2.73

•19 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,520,750 3,668,743 2.41

•20 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbourne 1,455,620 3,561,548 2.45

•21 St. Louis 1,249,450 3,048,858 2.44

•22 Portland, OR 1,188,770 2,994,368 2.52

•23 San Diego 1,073,390 2,889,035 2.69

•24 Charlotte 1,147,910 2,828,148 2.46

•25 Salt Lake City 944,060 2,826,515 2.99

•26 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetville) 1,107,820 2,726,148 2.46

•27 Baltimore 1,093,170 2,720,118 2.49

•28 Indianapolis 1,119,760 2,704,483 2.42

•29 Pittsburgh 1,154,950 2,663,615 2.31

•30 Nashville 1,019,010 2,483,920 2.44

•31 Hartford & New Haven 1,010,630 2,472,114 2.45

•32 Kansas City 941,360 2,298,002 2.44

•33 Cincinnati 918,670 2,261,716 2.46

•34 San Antonio 830,000 2,259,437 2.72

•35 Milwaukee 901,790 2,183,639 2.42

•36 Columbus, OH 904,030 2,178,783 2.41

•37 Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And 865,810 2,039,502 2.36

•38 Las Vegas 721,780 1,889,396 2.62

•39 Grand Rapids-Kalmzoo-B.Crk 740,430 1,878,788 2.54

•40 Harrisburg-Lncstr-Leb-York 743,420 1,820,476 2.45

•41 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 776,080 1,820,181 2.35

•42 Fresno-Visalia 579,180 1,817,626 3.14

•43 Birmingham (Ann and Tusc) 742,140 1,764,377 2.38

•44 Norfolk-Portsmth-Newpt Nws 709,880 1,761,530 2.48

•45 Albuquerque-Santa Fe 694,040 1,746,794 2.52

•46 Austin 678,730 1,743,018 2.57

•47 Memphis 667,660 1,675,981 2.51

•48 Jacksonville 679,120 1,673,528 2.46

•49 Oklahoma City 694,030 1,662,429 2.40

•50 Greensboro-H.Point-W.Salem 691,380 1,644,404 2.38

•51 New Orleans 633,930 1,613,446 2.55

•52 Louisville 668,310 1,595,863 2.39

•53 Providence-New Bedford 619,610 1,512,733 2.44

•54 Buffalo 633,220 1,493,990 2.36

•55 Wilkes Barre-Scranton 593,480 1,401,126 2.36

•56 Little Rock-Pine Bluff 564,490 1,345,718 2.38

•57 Richmond-Petersburg 553,950 1,334,922 2.41

•58 Mobile-Pensacola (Ft Walt) 534,730 1,303,860 2.44

•59 Albany-Schenectady-Troy 554,070 1,293,543 2.33

•60 Tulsa 528,070 1,285,676 2.43

•61 Knoxville 552,380 1,279,507 2.32

•62 Honolulu 433,240 1,214,966 2.80

•63 Lexington 506,340 1,179,226 2.33

•64 Harlingen-Wslco-Brnsvl-McA 354,150 1,174,745 3.32

•65 Charleston-Huntington 501,530 1,159,311 2.31

•66 Ft. Myers-Naples 500,110 1,158,634 2.32

•67 Tucson (Sierra Vista) 465,100 1,142,859 2.46

•68 Dayton 482,590 1,141,851 2.37

•69 Wichita-Hutchinson Plus 452,710 1,118,832 2.47

•70 Flint-Saginaw-Bay City 458,020 1,112,972 2.43

•71 Green Bay-Appleton 443,420 1,061,393 2.39

•72 Roanoke-Lynchburg 461,220 1,047,250 2.27

•73 Spokane 419,350 1,030,644 2.46

•74 Des Moines-Ames 432,310 1,029,792 2.38

•75 Toledo 423,100 1,011,149 2.39

•76 Omaha 410,350 1,006,693 2.45

•77 Springfield, MO 422,740 996,681 2.36

•78 Rochester, NY 392,190 956,197 2.44

•79 Columbia, SC 398,620 953,628 2.39

•80 Shreveport 386,180 944,670 2.45

•81 Portland-Auburn 408,120 942,908 2.31

•82 Huntsville-Decatur (Flor) 390,900 937,374 2.40

•83 Syracuse 385,440 924,612 2.40

•84 El Paso (Las Cruces) 310,760 920,462 2.96

•85 Paducah-Cape Girard-Harsbg 399,690 920,364 2.30

•86 Madison 377,260 898,029 2.38

•87 Champaign&Sprngfld-Decatur 384,620 891,287 2.32

•88 Chattanooga 365,400 882,965 2.42

•89 Waco-Temple-Bryan 339,570 875,399 2.58

•90 Jackson, MS 336,520 852,742 2.53

•91 South Bend-Elkhart 336,130 847,845 2.52

•92 Colorado Springs-Pueblo 334,710 841,679 2.51

•93 Baton Rouge 326,890 829,632 2.54

•94 Cedar Rapids-Wtrlo-IWC&Dub 346,030 817,513 2.36