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  • @the-gipper said:

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    If Griese's Dolphins hadn't won two SBs I doubt Griese gets in.

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    Correct. And Plunkett won two Super Bowls and STILL didn't get in ... because the rest of his resume is nothing but toiling.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Correct. And Plunkett won two Super Bowls and STILL didn't get in ... because the rest of his resume is nothing but toiling.

    Zombo

    His statistical parity with those other QBs, and his two titles, tells me that he probably was just as good as those guys, but the defenses on the teams he played for were lousy and no match for the likes of the Miami Dolphins No Name Defense or certainly not The Steel Curtain.

  • Zombo said:

    Correct. And Plunkett won two Super Bowls and STILL didn't get in ... because the rest of his resume is nothing but toiling.

    Zombo

    His statistical parity with those other QBs, and his two titles, tells me that he probably was just as good as those guys, but the defenses on the teams he played for were lousy and no match for the likes of the Miami Dolphins No Name Defense or certainly not The Steel Curtain.

    @the-gipper said:

    His statistical parity with those other QBs, and his two titles, tells me that he probably was just as good as those guys, but the defenses on the teams he played for were lousy and no match for the likes of the Miami Dolphins No Name Defense or certainly not The Steel Curtain.

    Probably's and maybe's don't get you into the Hall of Fame. So, back to the original question: No, I don't think he belongs in the Hall of Fame. His .500 career record and statistical resume together aren't enough to get him in the Hall with his two Super bowl rings. Had he won 4 Super Bowls like Bradshaw, or played on a consistent winner like Griese then he would probably get voted in. He didn't. He won't.

    You make a great case for him being as good a QB as Bradshaw and Griese had he been on their teams. That didn't happen, he didn't play on those teams. He toiled for bad teams and then got redemption at the end of his career. That doesn't get him in the Hall of Fame. It just doesn't. There's just not enough there for him.

    Zombo