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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    The Browns will draft a QB. But, Should they?

    Despite the fact they like Hoyer, I do not think that they believe that he can become an elite QB. I too do not believe he will be elite....in the Tom Brady/Peyton Manning/Joe Montana sense. He can be quite competent, but not elite. They will want to go for elite.

    Now, Mike Lombardi drafted Jamarcus Russell to be the elite QB when he was with the Raiders.

    And don't give me crap about how he was forced to draft Russelll by Al Davis. If he was that set against Russell, I don't think that move would have been made.

    So Russell counts on Lombardis ledger.

    Usually with 1st round picks you get about a 50/50 chance of getting a good QB.

    Or in the Browns case, about a 1/6th chance. Couch was a good first round pick.....he was just not given a chance. Quinn and Weeden....no. If you buy some who say Couch was a bust (I don't), then the Browns are 0-3 in first round QB picks....actually make that 0-6.....as in their history you have to add to Weeden/Couch/Quinn Mike Phipps, Bobby Garrett, Harry Agannis.

    The Browns have never drafted an "elite" QB in the first round of the regular draft. They did get Kosar in the Supplemental draft. But they had Ernie Accorsi making those decisions.

    Browns pick up Otto Graham essentially as a free agent, and they trade for Frank Ryan and Bill Nelsen....and get Sipe in the 13th round.

    Maybe we should stick to that model. Trade or get a QB as a FA.

    Do you want the guys that pick Jamarcus Russell making the QB decisions?

    Who is out there as a FA? here is the list:

    QBDerek AndersonUFACarolina PanthersFree Agent

    QBKellen ClemensUFASt. Louis RamsFree Agent

    QBJay CutlerUFAChicago BearsFree Agent

    QBPat DevlinRFAMiami DolphinsFree Agent

    QBJosh Freemanalert.gifUFAMinnesota VikingsFree Agent

    QBRex GrossmanUFAWashington RedskinsFree Agent

    QBChud Hennealert.gifUFAJacksonville JaguarsFree Agent

    QBShaun HillUFADetroit LionsFree Agent

    QBTarvaris JacksonUFASeattle SeahawksFree Agent

    QBJosh McCownUFAChicago BearsFree Agent

    QBLuke McCownUFANew Orleans SaintsFree Agent

    QBDan OrlovskyUFATampa Bay BuccaneersFree Agent

    QBCharlie WhitehurstUFASan Diego Chargers

    Read more: http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?y=2014#ixzz2ikB62iuO

    Other than maybe Cutler, nothing to write home about.

    Who can they trade for?

    Agree with TC (getting to be a habit) and others... so far I do not see a "can't miss' QB in this draft... but I'm still looking.

    So whomever we take... whenever we take him...

    I pray that our staff has the wisdom to sit him until Hoyer either:

    - proves he has the ability to fulfill the promise he flashed in 2013; or

    - not.

    Failure to resolve the Hoyer question guarantees a QB controversy.

    And controversies have played a role in our lack of QB success since our rebirth...

    God knows why they have, but they have...

    @the-gipper said:

    Now, Mike Lombardi drafted Jamarcus Russell to be the elite QB when he was with the Raiders.

    And don't give me crap about how he was forced to draft Russelll by Al Davis. If he was that set against Russell, I don't think that move would have been made.

    So Russell counts on Lombardis ledger.

    Other than maybe Cutler, nothing to write home about.

    There was more than one Al Davis?

    I ask because the Davis I knew could not be moved off of a player he loved by God Almighty Himself...

    And Davis loved Russell to death...

    "... how Al Davis could fall so head over heels for a McLaren F1 with a 50cc 2-stroke scooter engine under the hood is as sad a commentary on his own selfish pride as it is on JaMarcus Russell."

    http://justblogbaby.com/2010/05/07/al-davis-shares-equal-blame-for-the-jamarcus-russell-debacle/

    And Cutler? Ummm... no... no need to write home about him either...

    @gftchris said:

    I had a cheeky little mock draft of my own, basically guessing where teams would end up the season. I had us picking 8th, probably finishing 6-10...

    Houston Texans ................QB Brett Hundley

    Do not underestimate the pressure the Texans FO is going to be under to nab Manziel, if he comes out.

    @calfoxwc said:

    The more I look at all these qb's, the more I like the idea of the Browns drafting McCarron. But it's very, very early.

    Ding! Ding! Ding!

    As pointed out by Buckeye (IIRC) even if we take him as our Cousins to whoever our Round One hero is.

    The kid just looks solid to me.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • No one knows how any college QB will react in the NFL. It's a crap shoot basically. You have to take a chance with someone.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • 'They' said luck was the first sure thing since Manning... Anyone hearing of one of those this year? Don't trade up

  • thenew23T thenew23

    You can't look at past drafting when making a decision now. Different regime, different style, different coaching. The Browns HAVE to draft a QB next year. No other option. We can't give up on trying to find our franchise QB just b/c we have failed before.

    Also, Jamarcus Russell was the consensus #1 pick the year he was drafted. He was a bust... just like many first round picks (not just QBs).

    The real question is WHERE to draft our QB? Should we bet the farm and trade up? Should we wait to see who's there when we pick? Should we stand pat and gamble with our 2nd first rounder? Or, should we try and find value in the 2nd or 3rd?

    @thenew23 said:

    You can't look at past drafting when making a decision now. Different regime, different style, different coaching. The Browns HAVE to draft a QB next year. No other option. We can't give up on trying to find our franchise QB just b/c we have failed before.

    Also, Jamarcus Russell was the consensus #1 pick the year he was drafted. He was a bust... just like many first round picks (not just QBs).

    The real question is WHERE to draft our QB? Should we bet the farm and trade up? Should we wait to see who's there when we pick? Should we stand pat and gamble with our 2nd first rounder? Or, should we try and find value in the 2nd or 3rd?

    I very much hope we take a QB at the bottom of the first or into the 2nd or even 3rd round. I do not want us to pack up a load of picks to take the shot at a high pick QB. I think Hoyer has more than shown the capability to be an above average to potentially elite QB. Draft a solid prospect to sit behind him and learn. That way we also are not pressured to start someone just because of their draft position. Use all those picks to beef up the right side of the line, get another WR and someone in there an RB.

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