Details about Josh Gordon potential Suspension
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My question, is there any hope regarding Josh Gordon? ...
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/12/the-2014-nfl-draft-sealed-with-a-kiss/
King says between "8 and 16 games," so I guess the good news is his suspension COULD only be half the season...
Also, King discusses whether or not he is worth the "long-term" risk... which is a very good question, considering he is only 23 years old.
Another article by http://rotoworld.com says that "the NFL has not announced if Josh Gordon was in stage 2 or 3 of the league's substance abuse program." If he WAS only in stage 2, his suspension would be up to 4 games... much more workable.
So, to answer my initial question, there are still a few things that could reverse this terrible news:
1 - he could WIN his appeal and not be suspended at all
2 - he could ONLY be suspended 4 games (if he is in stage 2, which I don't think is accurate)
3 - he COULD only be suspended 8 games (and possibly learn his lesson) and be back for our "playoff push"
So, I guess.... not all hope is lost. There are 4 different scenerios, so for now, don't expect any signings or trades regarding a WR until the final results are made public by Mr.Goodell ...
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We should still take a stab at some rookie unsigned Free agents regardless. Hoping for 4 games.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
I read the NFL Substance Abuse Policy (linked)
http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf
According to this, Gordon should still only be in Stage 2 since he has only been suspended once following a positive test, last season. According to the policy, now IF there is a 2nd failed test, he should be suspended SIX games and advanced to Stage 3. IF he is to fail a test while in Stage 3, he faces "banishment" from the NFL for at least 1 season.
After doing some digging, the only source I found stating that Gordon is in Stage 3 was the "brilliant" Mary Kay Cabot who has no evidence or reason to have announced that; however, 20+ other internet sources have "quoted" her assumption, thus leading everybody in the NFL world to believe that Gordon is facing a year-long banishment.
Gordon's official status is confidential, according to the policy. So, considering the league was generous enough to decrease his initial suspension from the mandatory 4 games, to 2 games last season (which I have not found another example of them doing); they will MOST LIKELY levy the mandatory SIX GAME SUSPENSION, without pay, in this case, PLUS advancement to Stage 3.
Gordon has the right to appeal, of course. It is interesting b/c there IS an official appeals process, but there ISN'T anything stating results of appeals other than "the commissioner has final say no 'ifs, ands, or buts' about it (paraphrasing)." Maybe Goodel likes Gordon (based on decreasing his last suspension) and will do something similar this year. OR, maybe Gordon and his team have enough to dispute the charge all together.
We will see...
#Justsayin' -
I think most likely, they gave him the benefit of the doubt last time - cough medicine, could be legit etc. But now he fails this, they feel let down, throw the book at him, one last deterrent. I think, depending on the outcome of the proceedings, it's the perfect time to open contract negotiations (if allowed by CBA?). We have so much leverage to give him a base of like $1m, then $1m for every every TD scored or something.
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Not even that. Give him a blow value contract for three to four years. (Below value for his talent would still be north of 5 million a year) but put a clause in that he has to return any guaranteed money and the contract becomes voided if he fails another test.
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Not even that. Give him a blow value contract for three to four years. (Below value for his talent would still be north of 5 million a year) but put a clause in that he has to return any guaranteed money and the contract becomes voided if he fails another test.
Not even that. Give him a blow value contract for three to four years. (Below value for his talent would still be north of 5 million a year) but put a clause in that he has to return any guaranteed money and the contract becomes voided if he fails another test.
That clause would already happen if he failed another test. He would be "banished" from the NFL for at least a year without pay. He could only earn back his signing bonus money if he was able to return to the league, where he would earn it back 1/17th per week at a time when he is actually able to play.
If we decide to keep him and he is able to produce like he did last year, I'd give him at least $9-10 million / year, but very little in terms of signing bonus, b/c if he screws up we don't have to pay him anyway... Plus, he would be able to look at those potential dollar signs, which could potentially deter him from getting high again... maybe
#Justsayin' -
He's a budding (hahaha didn't mean that pun, but I love it) superstar. Hopefully the NFL recognizes this in their suspension. Get the kid some help. He's 23 and has a great future in front of him.
But the. Again he hasn't shown any reason to believe this won't continue.
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Really a stupid fucking rule for weed, but he needs to get it together. Hopefully its only 4 games.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I read the NFL Substance Abuse Policy (linked)
http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf
According to this, Gordon should still only be in Stage 2 since he has only been suspended once following a positive test, last season. According to the policy, now IF there is a 2nd failed test, he should be suspended SIX games and advanced to Stage 3. IF he is to fail a test while in Stage 3, he faces "banishment" from the NFL for at least 1 season.
After doing some digging, the only source I found stating that Gordon is in Stage 3 was the "brilliant" Mary Kay Cabot who has no evidence or reason to have announced that; however, 20+ other internet sources have "quoted" her assumption, thus leading everybody in the NFL world to believe that Gordon is facing a year-long banishment.
Gordon's official status is confidential, according to the policy. So, considering the league was generous enough to decrease his initial suspension from the mandatory 4 games, to 2 games last season (which I have not found another example of them doing); they will MOST LIKELY levy the mandatory SIX GAME SUSPENSION, without pay, in this case, PLUS advancement to Stage 3.
Gordon has the right to appeal, of course. It is interesting b/c there IS an official appeals process, but there ISN'T anything stating results of appeals other than "the commissioner has final say no 'ifs, ands, or buts' about it (paraphrasing)." Maybe Goodel likes Gordon (based on decreasing his last suspension) and will do something similar this year. OR, maybe Gordon and his team have enough to dispute the charge all together.
We will see...
I read the NFL Substance Abuse Policy (linked)
http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf
According to this, Gordon should still only be in Stage 2 since he has only been suspended once following a positive test, last season. According to the policy, now IF there is a 2nd failed test, he should be suspended SIX games and advanced to Stage 3. IF he is to fail a test while in Stage 3, he faces "banishment" from the NFL for at least 1 season.
After doing some digging, the only source I found stating that Gordon is in Stage 3 was the "brilliant" Mary Kay Cabot who has no evidence or reason to have announced that; however, 20+ other internet sources have "quoted" her assumption, thus leading everybody in the NFL world to believe that Gordon is facing a year-long banishment.
Gordon's official status is confidential, according to the policy. So, considering the league was generous enough to decrease his initial suspension from the mandatory 4 games, to 2 games last season (which I have not found another example of them doing); they will MOST LIKELY levy the mandatory SIX GAME SUSPENSION, without pay, in this case, PLUS advancement to Stage 3.
Gordon has the right to appeal, of course. It is interesting b/c there IS an official appeals process, but there ISN'T anything stating results of appeals other than "the commissioner has final say no 'ifs, ands, or buts' about it (paraphrasing)." Maybe Goodel likes Gordon (based on decreasing his last suspension) and will do something similar this year. OR, maybe Gordon and his team have enough to dispute the charge all together.
We will see...
From what I read from that dingbat Cabot or maybe the other equally incompetent Tom Reed is that the first violation is basically a slap on the wrist no consequence and confidential. Haven't checked the policy yet I'll have to give it a look.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
We should still take a stab at some rookie unsigned Free agents regardless. Hoping for 4 games.
you know that information is readily available.... right?We should still take a stab at some rookie unsigned Free agents regardless. Hoping for 4 games.
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I read the NFL Substance Abuse Policy (linked)
http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf
According to this, Gordon should still only be in Stage 2 since he has only been suspended once following a positive test, last season. According to the policy, now IF there is a 2nd failed test, he should be suspended SIX games and advanced to Stage 3. IF he is to fail a test while in Stage 3, he faces "banishment" from the NFL for at least 1 season.
After doing some digging, the only source I found stating that Gordon is in Stage 3 was the "brilliant" Mary Kay Cabot who has no evidence or reason to have announced that; however, 20+ other internet sources have "quoted" her assumption, thus leading everybody in the NFL world to believe that Gordon is facing a year-long banishment.
Gordon's official status is confidential, according to the policy. So, considering the league was generous enough to decrease his initial suspension from the mandatory 4 games, to 2 games last season (which I have not found another example of them doing); they will MOST LIKELY levy the mandatory SIX GAME SUSPENSION, without pay, in this case, PLUS advancement to Stage 3.
Gordon has the right to appeal, of course. It is interesting b/c there IS an official appeals process, but there ISN'T anything stating results of appeals other than "the commissioner has final say no 'ifs, ands, or buts' about it (paraphrasing)." Maybe Goodel likes Gordon (based on decreasing his last suspension) and will do something similar this year. OR, maybe Gordon and his team have enough to dispute the charge all together.
We will see...
From what I read from that dingbat Cabot or maybe the other equally incompetent Tom Reed is that the first violation is basically a slap on the wrist no consequence and confidential. Haven't checked the policy yet I'll have to give it a look.
From what I read from that dingbat Cabot or maybe the other equally incompetent Tom Reed is that the first violation is basically a slap on the wrist no consequence and confidential. Haven't checked the policy yet I'll have to give it a look.
Pretty much, but this would be at least Gordon's third... You don't get suspended for 2 games until at least your second violation, which happened last year...
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Maybe he was in Colorado. And he was sitting in a cafe and just breathed it in LMAO
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Really a stupid fucking rule for weed, but he needs to get it together. Hopefully its only 4 games.
Really a stupid fucking rule for weed, but he needs to get it together. Hopefully its only 4 games.
You may not agree with it but its illegal in Ohio. It is federally illegal in all 50 states. Lastly and the most important it is a part of the CBA agreed on by the elected reps of the players. There is nothing that makes this anything other than stupid immature irresponsible behavior on Josh's part.
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Not even that. Give him a blow value contract for three to four years. (Below value for his talent would still be north of 5 million a year) but put a clause in that he has to return any guaranteed money and the contract becomes voided if he fails another test.
That clause would already happen if he failed another test. He would be "banished" from the NFL for at least a year without pay. He could only earn back his signing bonus money if he was able to return to the league, where he would earn it back 1/17th per week at a time when he is actually able to play.
If we decide to keep him and he is able to produce like he did last year, I'd give him at least $9-10 million / year, but very little in terms of signing bonus, b/c if he screws up we don't have to pay him anyway... Plus, he would be able to look at those potential dollar signs, which could potentially deter him from getting high again... maybe
That clause would already happen if he failed another test. He would be "banished" from the NFL for at least a year without pay. He could only earn back his signing bonus money if he was able to return to the league, where he would earn it back 1/17th per week at a time when he is actually able to play.
If we decide to keep him and he is able to produce like he did last year, I'd give him at least $9-10 million / year, but very little in terms of signing bonus, b/c if he screws up we don't have to pay him anyway... Plus, he would be able to look at those potential dollar signs, which could potentially deter him from getting high again... maybe
I'm talking about guarenteed money as in, by this date you make X ammount. So on March 25th he gets paid lets say $1 million, then on Oct 23rd he gets suspended the rest of the season for failing his test. Yes he will lose the rest of that seasons paycheck, but he also has to pay us back that $1 million he got back in March.
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they're reporting on the afternoon espn lineup that gordon has failed five drug tests since 2010. (i guess some were in college).
c'mon man.
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