Skip to content
The Browns Board
  1. Home
  2. The Browns Board
  3. Hortons defense was better than this...

Hortons defense was better than this...

The Browns Board
84 18 2.2k
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @tour2ma said:

    They who? PFF doesn't "watch".

    Point was the PFF ratings, objective ratings, that would seem to indicate that the D-line was the source of more woes than the LB crew.

    seem to indicate?.......doesn't even look close to me....

    some other interesting and objective stats....

    Browns D line had 8 tfl and 7 sacks

    Browns Lb's had 30 tfl and 21 sacks.........Dansby had 8 tfl, plus his sacks(and a game winner against NO too)....meaning, even with missing games, he had more tackles for loss than the entire D line did.....yet, maybe he's the problem?.....make sense?...

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #81

    @mudfly said:

    seem to indicate?.......doesn't even look close to me....

    some other interesting and objective stats....

    Browns D line had 8 tfl and 7 sacks

    Browns Lb's had 30 tfl and 21 sacks.........Dansby had 8 tfl, plus his sacks(and a game winner against NO too)....meaning, even with missing games, he had more tackles for loss than the entire D line did.....yet, maybe he's the problem?.....make sense?...

    When I'm referencing our LB'ers I'm not including the OLB'ers in any of the stats. So of those 21 sacks, take away Kruger, Sheard and Mingo from those 21 and what do you have? 5. Not exactly the sack express. As for the TFL's...i'll fully admit I'm surprised that Dansby had 8. I'd really like to see when those happened. But even 8 TFL's, while very respectable...isn't putting him in an elite category especially when compared with his overall tackle numbers. Go look at rookie Chris Borlands numbers....11 TFL's and nearly double the solo tackles. And this dude didn't start till late October. In 7.5 games, cause he got hurt in the last game against Seattle...he very nearly doubled our star FA ILB'er. In 7.5 games.....Dansby missed 4 games I believe so he started in 12. That has to say something to you. The 9'ers defense was as depleted throughout he season as anybody's. With the exception of Justin Smith they had a revolving D line too. 47 solo tackles but it's the D line's fault? Some 3rd round rookie nearly doubled that output with similar injuries to his defense and in almost 5 less games. Can we please be serious? Our ILB'ers are a problem. I have zero confidence that they're numbers would have looked much better behind the Ravens D line or the Patriots or whoever.....the D line was not responsible "that" low of an output. No way. He had 8TFL's...great, that means when he did manage to make get through he made it count. Problem is he didnt' get to the ball carrier much did he? Robertson had 10 more solo tackles than Dansby and how many games did he start?

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @tour2ma said:

    They who? PFF doesn't "watch".

    Point was the PFF ratings, objective ratings, that would seem to indicate that the D-line was the source of more woes than the LB crew.

    seem to indicate?.......doesn't even look close to me....

    some other interesting and objective stats....

    Browns D line had 8 tfl and 7 sacks

    Browns Lb's had 30 tfl and 21 sacks.........Dansby had 8 tfl, plus his sacks(and a game winner against NO too)....meaning, even with missing games, he had more tackles for loss than the entire D line did.....yet, maybe he's the problem?.....make sense?...

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #82

    @mudfly said:

    seem to indicate?.......doesn't even look close to me....

    What can I say? I opted for "understatement." Just thought I'd give that approach a try...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • F Frenchie wrote on
    #83

    Can't go back in time, only forward. We need 2 linemen and an outside and an inside LB to replace Rubin, Sheard, and improve our depth. If Farmer is smart, he adds value in both FAA and the draft. With healthy returns, we will be OK on D.

  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #84

    The panthers LB'ers put on a clinic yesterday on how to shed blockers. "FOR SURE" that D line contributed to the run defense, no arguments d line IS important...but no front can completely keep blockers off the LB'ers. A LB'er has to know how to get off blocks. Davis and Kuechly took on blockers all night so the other could get to the ball, why Lynch only had 40 or 50 yds. Both of those teams while yes having very good fronts, also have beast LB'ers that look for contact and try to go through blockers not 10 ft around them to make the play.

Log in to reply