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Grading The Winslow Deal

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  • @nw-ohio-brownie said:

    Geech,

    Good stuff. Seems like you've researched the eligible centers somewhat.

    The key word there being "somewhat."

    It all depends on what you're willing to sacrifice. The "complete player" is a tag reserved for guys like Jerry Rice and Michael Jordan.

    If you want a genius, then Alex Mack (6'4" 311) is the way to go. He won the Draddy Award (the scholastic equivalent of the Heisman), but he has a tendency to play too high and doesn't drive block all that well, especially in short yardage situations.

    Eric Wood (6'4" 310) can improve in his drive blocking abilities against bigger DTs (who can't?), but he's at least decent, and has the potential to improve. He doesn't have the quickest feet and may have trouble with NFL speed rushing DTs, who aren't a dime a dozen, anyways. He's a good technician who uses his feet and hands to position himself well to go along with some of that brutishness.

    Max Unger (6'5" 309) is a fantastic technician with good quickness, but doesn't rely on size and strength to get the job done.

    These guys are all within 1 inch and 2 pounds of each other, but are very different players.

    Antoine Caldwell (6'3" 309) is probably the next best after the top 3, but he's all brute with no quickness and not much between the ears, although he did make the line calls. He may be a better fit at OG.

    I'll throw in A.Q. Shipley (6'1" 304) for good measure. He's a bowling ball of a former NT who will battle against the whole defense if given the chance. His footwork is adequate, but his lack of size and arm length may mean he'll be most effective in a zone scheme.

    @geech said:

    The key word there being "somewhat."

    It all depends on what you're willing to sacrifice. The "complete player" is a tag reserved for guys like Jerry Rice and Michael Jordan.

    If you want a genius, then Alex Mack (6'4" 311) is the way to go. He won the Draddy Award (the scholastic equivalent of the Heisman), but he has a tendency to play too high and doesn't drive block all that well, especially in short yardage situations.

    Eric Wood (6'4" 310) can improve in his drive blocking abilities against bigger DTs (who can't?), but he's at least decent, and has the potential to improve. He doesn't have the quickest feet and may have trouble with NFL speed rushing DTs, who aren't a dime a dozen, anyways. He's a good technician who uses his feet and hands to position himself well to go along with some of that brutishness.

    Max Unger (6'5" 309) is a fantastic technician with good quickness, but doesn't rely on size and strength to get the job done.

    These guys are all within 1 inch and 2 pounds of each other, but are very different players.

    Antoine Caldwell (6'3" 309) is probably the next best after the top 3, but he's all brute with no quickness and not much between the ears, although he did make the line calls. He may be a better fit at OG.

    I'll throw in A.Q. Shipley (6'1" 304) for good measure. He's a bowling ball of a former NT who will battle against the whole defense if given the chance. His footwork is adequate, but his lack of size and arm length may mean he'll be most effective in a zone scheme.

    If the Browns' regime doesn't see that much of a difference among these guys then #50 is probably where we'll see them grab one out of this group. But that's assuming we don't add any more picks before the draft (don't move away from the phone, D.A.).

  • Thanks....that is who I couldn't remember other than Arkansas.

  • Johnathon Luigs (6'4") is another guy who has good quickness and technique, but doesn't rely on strength to get the job done.

    That is why I think Wood is our best bet. As WalterFootball stated in their 5/26/08 note, "You're getting a rock at center if you draft Eric Wood."

    -Al

  • How could getting a 2nd round pick for a player that has played only 44 games in 5 years and scored all of 11 Touchdowns in that time be nothing less than a complete steal?!

    The Brown's pulled off a really great move here.

    If Winslow's name was "Joe Smith" Cleveland fans would be dancing in the streets over this deal.....But then again, if K2's name was "Joe Smith" you probably couldn't have talked Tampa into it.

    It's nothing but name recognition that makes people think K2 is something more than he is.