RRHOF Nominees
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Here are the nominees for the next class of the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, together with my comments about my personal feelings toward their election, Bold being who I would put in.
Chic......Disco sucks and I never even heard of them until someone said they were up for election to the RRHOF. WTF did they ever do that I would have heard of?
Deep Purple.....they were more than just Smoke on the Water. Probably deserves induction.
Nine Inch Nails.....if Green Day makes it, so should these guys.....who I see as being Green Day equivalency.....punkish sorts. Besides, Reznor is a Cleveland guy. Give it to the homie.
N.W.A......if you aren't even allowed to say what their initials stand for, then why do they deserve a spot? But I guess considering what they contributed to Hip Hop they would get in. I, not being a rap enthusiast will have to defer to others to tell me if they are that big in the genre. I just know they are one of the biggest names in that theater.
The Smiths.....again...Who? I mean, honestly, I don't know them from The Simpsons. (either the clan headed by OJ or the one headed by Homer). You could say The Jones and that would make as much sense.
The Spinners. Old School R&B. OK, cool.
Yes......Yes!
The Cars......you would think in concept that this would be a band that I would be behind. Straight, classic R&R band. But, I never really cared for them.....so I am ambivalent about their induction
Cheap Trick. I like them well enough....but they are sort of the Vinny Testaverde/Drew Bledsoe of Rock. They were good.....but not really the best of the best imo.
Chicago. OK, not my particular taste.....but I acknowledge that they had a unique and innovative style that I could not quite get my head around. Was it jazz, pop, rock, fusion. Whatever it was, it was just alright by me. (wait....that is a Doobie brothers line). Alright does not mean I am excited...just alright. But they are one of the most enduring....and commercial acts ever.
The JBs. Which is James Brown's backup band. If they go in in the category of "sidemen", I am OK with it. If The Crickets can go in, and Elvis's backup band, I guess they can too.
Chaka Khan. Always like her....and her name. She can go.
Los Lobos. I am all for a few Latina bands going in if their stuff is original and innovative. Like Gloria Estafan. But, all I know these guys for is their cover of Rich Valens La Bamba. Now, perhaps that isn't fair...maybe they had a large Latina original sound I am not aware of, but my perception is that they are no Santana.
Steve Miller Band. This group, to me, is like baby Chicago. A number of hits (not as many as Chicago), a long career (not as long as Chicago).....But I still see them as the Norm Snead, Mark Brunell, Steve DeBerg of Rock. Solid, but not close to the best going.
Janet Jackson. Why do I feel that she got where she is just based on her last name and sibling relationships? I know she did some good stuff. But then Terry Bradshaw had a brother that played QB...that doesn't mean his brother is HOF. Or would you compare her more to Eli Manning?
Not sure how many they are going to let in. I am letting in 8. I may be more generous than the RRHOF voters.
And where is Jethro Tull?
Here are the nominees for the next class of the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, together with my comments about my personal feelings toward their election, Bold being who I would put in.
Highlighted acts are the ones that got in yesterday:
Chic......Disco sucks and I never even heard of them until someone said they were up for election to the RRHOF. WTF did they ever do that I would have heard of?
Deep Purple.....they were more than just Smoke on the Water. Probably deserves induction.
Nine Inch Nails.....if Green Day makes it, so should these guys.....who I see as being Green Day equivalency.....punkish sorts. Besides, Reznor is a Cleveland guy. Give it to the homie.
N.W.A......if you aren't even allowed to say what their initials stand for, then why do they deserve a spot? But I guess considering what they contributed to Hip Hop they would get in. I, not being a rap enthusiast will have to defer to others to tell me if they are that big in the genre. I just know they are one of the biggest names in that theater.
The Smiths.....again...Who? I mean, honestly, I don't know them from The Simpsons. (either the clan headed by OJ or the one headed by Homer). You could say The Jones and that would make as much sense.
The Spinners. Old School R&B. OK, cool.
Yes......Yes!
The Cars......you would think in concept that this would be a band that I would be behind. Straight, classic R&R band. But, I never really cared for them.....so I am ambivalent about their induction
Cheap Trick. I like them well enough....but they are sort of the Vinny Testaverde/Drew Bledsoe of Rock. They were good.....but not really the best of the best imo.
Chicago. OK, not my particular taste.....but I acknowledge that they had a unique and innovative style that I could not quite get my head around. Was it jazz, pop, rock, fusion. Whatever it was, it was just alright by me. (wait....that is a Doobie brothers line). Alright does not mean I am excited...just alright. But they are one of the most enduring....and commercial acts ever.
The JBs. Which is James Brown's backup band. If they go in in the category of "sidemen", I am OK with it. If The Crickets can go in, and Elvis's backup band, I guess they can too.
Chaka Khan. Always like her....and her name. She can go.
Los Lobos. I am all for a few Latina bands going in if their stuff is original and innovative. Like Gloria Estafan. But, all I know these guys for is their cover of Rich Valens La Bamba. Now, perhaps that isn't fair...maybe they had a large Latina original sound I am not aware of, but my perception is that they are no Santana.
Steve Miller Band. This group, to me, is like baby Chicago. A number of hits (not as many as Chicago), a long career (not as long as Chicago).....But I still see them as the Norm Snead, Mark Brunell, Steve DeBerg of Rock. Solid, but not close to the best going.
Janet Jackson. Why do I feel that she got where she is just based on her last name and sibling relationships? I know she did some good stuff. But then Terry Bradshaw had a brother that played QB...that doesn't mean his brother is HOF. Or would you compare her more to Eli Manning?
Not sure how many they are going to let in. I am letting in 8. I may be more generous than the RRHOF voters.
And where is Jethro Tull?
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And here is a fairly long list of acts that all came out before 1980 that have been "snubbed" by the RRHOF. What 10 or 12 among these do you think may warrant inclusion:
Petula Clark
Link Wray
Chubby Checker
Carol King
Joan Baez
Peter Paul and Mary
Jan and Dean
Paul Revere and the Raiders
Dick Dale
Sam the Sham and the Pharohs
Dion Warwick
Gerry and the Pacemakers
The Moody Blues
Golden Earring
Gary Lewis and the Playboys
The Guess Who
Herman's Hermits
Patsy Cline
Sonny and Cher
The Turtles
The Spencer Davis Group
Jim Croce
The Monkees
Tommy James and the Shondell
Arlo Guthrie
The Crazy World of Arthur Brown
Harry Nilsson
The Move
Procul Harum
Blood, Sweat and Tears
Iron Butterfly
Jethro Tull
Steppenwolf
Quicksilver Messenger Service
The Carpenters
Grand Funk Railroad
Joe Cocker
John Denver
Johnny Winter
Meatloaf
Mott the Hoople
Slade
Three Dog Night
Warren Zevon
Argent
Badfinger
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
J. Geils Band
Jimmy Buffett
Todd Rundgren
Uriah Heep
Carly Simon
The Doobie Brothers
Electric Light Orchestra
Little Feat
Thin Lizzy
Wings
10cc
Joe Walsh...or the James Gang
Loggins and Messina
Peter Frampton
Roxy Music
Bachman Turner Overdrive
Barry Manilow
Barry White
The NY Dolls
Tina Turner (already in with Ike)
Bad Company
Judas Priest
Kansas
Journey
Ted Nugent
Boston
Luther Vandros
Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes
Devo
Eddie Money
Toto
The B-52s
Def Leppard
Iron Maiden
Pat Benatarr
Huey Lewis and the News
INXS
Ozzy Osbourne (in with Black Sabbath)
Add anyone you want. I admit I was not that into funk. Plus add any post 1980 acts.
And here is a fairly long list of acts that all came out before 1980 that have been "snubbed" by the RRHOF. What 10 or 12 among these do you think may warrant inclusion:
Petula Clark
Link Wray
Chubby Checker
Absolutely YES. Like him or not The Twist was an Iconic song/dance for early R&R Americana.
Carol King
Joan Baez
Peter Paul and Mary
Jan and Dean
Paul Revere and the Raiders
Dick Dale
Of course.
Sam the Sham and the Pharohs
Dion Warwick
Gerry and the Pacemakers
The Moody Blues
Golden Earring
Gary Lewis and the Playboys
The Guess Who
Probably Yes
Herman's Hermits
Patsy Cline
Given the definition of R&R for this HOF, she is a no brainer YES
Sonny and Cher
The Turtles
The Spencer Davis Group
Jim Croce
The Monkees
YES YES YES. TV show. Pop at its best/worse
Tommy James and the Shondell
Arlo Guthrie
No way except Alice's Restaurant deserves to be in it. (PS I dont care for it.)
The Crazy World of Arthur Brown
Harry Nilsson
The Move
Procul Harum
Blood, Sweat and Tears
Iron Butterfly
Jethro Tull
Yes
Steppenwolf
Yes. Crazy to be left out given the dearth of 'talent' already accepted.
Quicksilver Messenger Service
The Carpenters
Grand Funk Railroad
Joe Cocker
John Denver
Johnny Winter
Yes
Meatloaf
No but, IMHO, Paradise By The Dashboard Lights' best describes Teen angst and any other R&R song I ever heard.
Mott the Hoople
Slade
Three Dog Night
Yes
Warren Zevon
Argent
Badfinger
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
J. Geils Band
Jimmy Buffett
Todd Rundgren
Uriah Heep
Carly Simon
The Doobie Brothers
Electric Light Orchestra
Little Feat
No brainer Yes.
Thin Lizzy
Wings
10cc
Joe Walsh...or the James Gang
Loggins and Messina
Peter Frampton
Roxy Music
Bachman Turner Overdrive
Barry Manilow
Barry White
The NY Dolls
Tina Turner (already in with Ike)
Bad Company
Judas Priest
Kansas
Journey
Ted Nugent
Boston
Luther Vandros
Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes
Devo
Eddie Money
Toto
The B-52s
Def Leppard
Iron Maiden
Pat Benatarr
Huey Lewis and the News
INXS
Ozzy Osbourne (in with Black Sabbath)
Add anyone you want. I admit I was not that into funk. Plus add any post 1980 acts.
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Hi brother John! Yes it's almost impossible to take this place seriously. The Hall of Fame that is. I mean I'm glad it's here but it really means jackshit.
WSS
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Hi brother John! Yes it's almost impossible to take this place seriously. The Hall of Fame that is. I mean I'm glad it's here but it really means jackshit.
WSS
Hi brother John! Yes it's almost impossible to take this place seriously. The Hall of Fame that is. I mean I'm glad it's here but it really means jackshit.
WSS
Yes, R& R has taken on an evolving and amorphous shape.
However, IMHO, the name of the HOF has to remain R&R if Cleveland hopes to keep it from moving elsewhere over time. Cleveland owns the R&R name. If it were to be renamed, "Music Hall of Fame", for example, I could forsee the current building being empty x years down the road.
I have been there a couple of times. The best exhibit I remember is a 'kiosk' display of Jerry Garcia's guitars. Like him or not, the guitars were something special.
Generally, I'm not big on looking at most types of memorabilia - video and sound being an exception - music, sports, or otherwise. I've been to the Football HOF, Packers HOF, Basketball HOF (several times as it is just up the road), Baseball HOF and I really don't get a kick out of looking at sneakers, helmets, gold records, etc.
However the R&R HOF has to be a HUGE benefit to Cleveland in terms of publicity, tourist $$, etc.
Keep the name. Keep things in perspective. Keep on Keeping On.
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I don't know of anyone who wants to change the name of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Of course I haven't read every word of this thread. I guess if anybody proposed it I would dismiss them as talking out their ass.
Like blues, soul, funk, jazz, classical or any other style of music there's a lot of leeway.
Plus it doesn't so much matter to me if I like the inductees or I don't like them. There are plenty of very influential acts I can't stand and plenty of not very influential act that I positively love. It does irk me when the selections are made on the basis of what the people in charge like, don't like or want to include for politically correct reasons.
I'm not sure that there is an adequate scoring system but...
And when you get right down to it rock and roll originally described the pop shuffle beat Bill Haley and the Comets, and rock music has evolved light years since then.
WSS
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One quick example, my friend John loves Little Feat and I love Marshall Crenshaw, but I don't necessarily see either one as being a big enough influence on rock music to be Hall of Fame inductees.
WSS
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I don't know of anyone who wants to change the name of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Of course I haven't read every word of this thread. I guess if anybody proposed it I would dismiss them as talking out their ass.
Like blues, soul, funk, jazz, classical or any other style of music there's a lot of leeway.
Plus it doesn't so much matter to me if I like the inductees or I don't like them. There are plenty of very influential acts I can't stand and plenty of not very influential act that I positively love. It does irk me when the selections are made on the basis of what the people in charge like, don't like or want to include for politically correct reasons.
I'm not sure that there is an adequate scoring system but...
And when you get right down to it rock and roll originally described the pop shuffle beat Bill Haley and the Comets, and rock music has evolved light years since then.
WSS
I don't know of anyone who wants to change the name of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Of course I haven't read every word of this thread. I guess if anybody proposed it I would dismiss them as talking out their ass.
Like blues, soul, funk, jazz, classical or any other style of music there's a lot of leeway.
Plus it doesn't so much matter to me if I like the inductees or I don't like them. There are plenty of very influential acts I can't stand and plenty of not very influential act that I positively love. It does irk me when the selections are made on the basis of what the people in charge like, don't like or want to include for politically correct reasons.
I'm not sure that there is an adequate scoring system but...
And when you get right down to it rock and roll originally described the pop shuffle beat Bill Haley and the Comets, and rock music has evolved light years since then.
WSS
The thought of renaming the R&H was my thought - nothing more than something to reflect the broad, broad brush used for inductees. Not something I thought would happen, but, more a reflection of its demographics.
Niggers With Attitudes, as an example.
Hip Hop HOF, for sure. Cultural HOF, maybe. Rock and Roll.....................
But like you, Steve, I don't care all that much except that I do get a kick out of inductees and those left out in the cold.
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