Analytics say........ GOFF over Wentz
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That depends on how accurate our analytics are...
Two things are going to vary from team-to-team:
- the exact nature of the tools they develop (number, complexity, precision), and
- the weight given the results in the decision process.
I think that's the goal of 31 other teams too. We shall see.
And if the Cleveland Browns are the last to jump on this amazing new method we will have a lot of ground to cover. By then Professor Harold Hill will have a brand new strategy with which to impress Dee Haslam.
WSS
I think that's the goal of 31 other teams too. We shall see.
And if the Cleveland Browns are the last to jump on this amazing new method we will have a lot of ground to cover. By then Professor Harold Hill will have a brand new strategy with which to impress Dee Haslam.
WSS
Judging by all of the comments about how we're doing things completely differently, and how unorthodox our new system is, I highly doubt we're playing catch up.
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I think that's the goal of 31 other teams too. We shall see.
And if the Cleveland Browns are the last to jump on this amazing new method we will have a lot of ground to cover. By then Professor Harold Hill will have a brand new strategy with which to impress Dee Haslam.
WSS
Judging by all of the comments about how we're doing things completely differently, and how unorthodox our new system is, I highly doubt we're playing catch up.
Judging by all of the comments about how we're doing things completely differently, and how unorthodox our new system is, I highly doubt we're playing catch up.
Fair enough, but which is it? Everybody in the league is already hip to amazing power of Analytics or this Analytics system that has captured the imagination of emperor jimmu is the dawn of a new era?
WSS
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Judging by all of the comments about how we're doing things completely differently, and how unorthodox our new system is, I highly doubt we're playing catch up.
Fair enough, but which is it? Everybody in the league is already hip to amazing power of Analytics or this Analytics system that has captured the imagination of emperor jimmu is the dawn of a new era?
WSS
Fair enough, but which is it? Everybody in the league is already hip to amazing power of Analytics or this Analytics system that has captured the imagination of emperor jimmu is the dawn of a new era?
WSS
People already use things like 40 times, saying a better 40 time correlates to more success, for example. That's analytics. We're using different methods and measuring different things, looking at trends that other teams miss like 'hey, this particular drill/attribute has a really high correlation to success in the league so we'll pay extra attention to people who score highly in that'
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Fair enough, but which is it? Everybody in the league is already hip to amazing power of Analytics or this Analytics system that has captured the imagination of emperor jimmu is the dawn of a new era?
WSS
People already use things like 40 times, saying a better 40 time correlates to more success, for example. That's analytics. We're using different methods and measuring different things, looking at trends that other teams miss like 'hey, this particular drill/attribute has a really high correlation to success in the league so we'll pay extra attention to people who score highly in that'
People already use things like 40 times, saying a better 40 time correlates to more success, for example. That's analytics. We're using different methods and measuring different things, looking at trends that other teams miss like 'hey, this particular drill/attribute has a really high correlation to success in the league so we'll pay extra attention to people who score highly in that'
I think it's way beyond that...
Look for dozens of things like "Play reaction time" for MLB's and "Eye Discipline" for QBs to emerge from actual game play analyses rather than more emphasis on/different use of Combine results.
Then look for the algorithm(s) that boils down the mini-measures into "grades".
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
People already use things like 40 times, saying a better 40 time correlates to more success, for example. That's analytics. We're using different methods and measuring different things, looking at trends that other teams miss like 'hey, this particular drill/attribute has a really high correlation to success in the league so we'll pay extra attention to people who score highly in that'
I think it's way beyond that...
Look for dozens of things like "Play reaction time" for MLB's and "Eye Discipline" for QBs to emerge from actual game play analyses rather than more emphasis on/different use of Combine results.
Then look for the algorithm(s) that boils down the mini-measures into "grades".
I think it's way beyond that...
Look for dozens of things like "Play reaction time" for MLB's and "Eye Discipline" for QBs to emerge from actual game play analyses rather than more emphasis on/different use of Combine results.
Then look for the algorithm(s) that boils down the mini-measures into "grades".
For sure, I was just trying to give a simple version. You can see it on things like 'bleacher report's top 50 QBs' http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607667-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-50-quarterbacks-from-2015/page/2
They measure accuracy, arm strength, decision making, and mechanics, but not all out of the same value - mechanics is out of 10, while decision making is out of 20, so weighting has been applied. Then add it all up for an overall grade.
I'm not saying their system is perfect, or even good, but that's the kind of thing I envision, at least at that position.
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I think it's way beyond that...
Look for dozens of things like "Play reaction time" for MLB's and "Eye Discipline" for QBs to emerge from actual game play analyses rather than more emphasis on/different use of Combine results.
Then look for the algorithm(s) that boils down the mini-measures into "grades".
For sure, I was just trying to give a simple version. You can see it on things like 'bleacher report's top 50 QBs' http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607667-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-50-quarterbacks-from-2015/page/2
They measure accuracy, arm strength, decision making, and mechanics, but not all out of the same value - mechanics is out of 10, while decision making is out of 20, so weighting has been applied. Then add it all up for an overall grade.
I'm not saying their system is perfect, or even good, but that's the kind of thing I envision, at least at that position.
For sure, I was just trying to give a simple version. You can see it on things like 'bleacher report's top 50 QBs' http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607667-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-50-quarterbacks-from-2015/page/2
They measure accuracy, arm strength, decision making, and mechanics, but not all out of the same value - mechanics is out of 10, while decision making is out of 20, so weighting has been applied. Then add it all up for an overall grade.
I'm not saying their system is perfect, or even good, but that's the kind of thing I envision, at least at that position.
... and the test of a team's "Analytics Dept." will be their ability to refine and systematize these "measures" vs. the ability of their competition.
Example:
In your linked article they measure "mechanics". We could sit around a table with a few fellow forum members, watch some game tape and come up with a consensus grade...
OR...
We could determine the elements of "mechanics" (e.g., feet, hips, shoulders, head, ball security and release) and have two people responsible for each element. Then we can develop a model that considers weighting of the elements and likelihood of coaching up a given element.
Add a feedback loop to the model to measurable outputs and we're off to the races...
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Fair enough, but which is it? Everybody in the league is already hip to amazing power of Analytics or this Analytics system that has captured the imagination of emperor jimmu is the dawn of a new era?
WSS
People already use things like 40 times, saying a better 40 time correlates to more success, for example. That's analytics. We're using different methods and measuring different things, looking at trends that other teams miss like 'hey, this particular drill/attribute has a really high correlation to success in the league so we'll pay extra attention to people who score highly in that'
Fine. So you believe that our Analytics is way way different than everybody else's Analytics in some way that will make ours a lot better. . I guess I don't understand everybody else's system as opposed to ours well enough to see the nuances that set them apart.People already use things like 40 times, saying a better 40 time correlates to more success, for example. That's analytics. We're using different methods and measuring different things, looking at trends that other teams miss like 'hey, this particular drill/attribute has a really high correlation to success in the league so we'll pay extra attention to people who score highly in that'
(actually I've got just about zero clue about any of it
)WSS
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Say, can anybody factor in gut feelings into analytics?
Because that is what is making some scouts prefer Wentz.
For me, Wentz is the superior choice to be the face of the franchise.
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Scouts Express Concerns Regarding Goff's Skill Set Tuesday, March 22Mark Eckel of NJ Advance Media passed along comments from several scouts who were concerned about Goff's viability at the next level:
"I hope somebody takes him early, ahead of us,'' one NFC scout said. "That would be great, drop a good player to us."I'm just not crazy about him, not at all. He doesn't win. Show me a quarterback who didn't win in college, that did well up here? There aren't many. To me he's another. And you can take that any way you want." ..."People out there love this guy, we don't,'' said an AFC scout. "We don't like him at all. He looks the part and all. But there's just something about him that turns me off. Maybe it's the slender build, or the small hands. I mean we're not taking a quarterback early, but if we were it wouldn't be him."A second NFC scout also expressed concerns about Goff's hand size and inability to perform in the rain, adding: "He has a decent arm, can move a little. But he's not always accurate. I'd be real leery about taking him real high.''
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Sorry if it's been posted before, but great read
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15158945/does-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz-really-add-20m
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