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I called it before the season started that some of you wouldn't make it halfway through before..

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  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @stinkhole said:

    If I'm not mistaken Romeo Crennel was the only fired browns coach to become a head coach elsewhere....but not immediately. He was a coordinator first and kind of fell into the position because he was already there.

    Forrest Gregg & Marty Schottenheimer come to mind.

    flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on
    #61

    @canton-dawg said:

    Forrest Gregg & Marty Schottenheimer come to mind.

    Good ole Forrest. I've often thought that we could use a hard nosed sob like him to get the culture changed.

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  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    What makes me think that is our front office keeps talking about "a plan". Surely the plan could involve building through the draft and inserting mid-tier veterans through free agency, but I just have a hunch we'll be going after somebody. I don't have anything to support this crazy theory, but I could see it happening...ESPECIALLY if we aren't able to keep Collins. If we are somehow able to sign Collins, then I don't think we'll sign a big name. Sashi didn't really comment on the contract situation of Collins, which made me sad. I sure was hoping to hear, "We're going to do everything we can to keep him here for a long time, and we don't care how much money it takes." LOL

    I think we'll go after safety/corner back HARD in free agency.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #62

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I sure was hoping to hear, "We're going to do everything we can to keep him here for a long time, and we don't care how much money it takes."

    That would just give all of the leverage to Collins, as if he doesn't already have most of it.

  • D domcucch1994 wrote on
    #63

    It's obvious they need to give coaches more time.
    Hell, we might be 8-8 under Pettine if Jimmy Fucktard didn't hit the red button... again!

    Now we are stuck with a guy who has made some very questionable decisions and seems overwhelmed.

    Injuries, mediocre play from the OL and secondary has hurt our cause this season. Teams exploit those weaknesses and we get decimated each week!

    Next year needs to be a year in which the FO drafts a shit ton of lineman and defensive help.

    They also need some impact veterans in FA. Because a team full of rookies will not do shit without solid vets showing them the way!

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @tiamat63 said:

    What we might do in free agency will affect our draft play. Like I've said (and Tour, apparently) taking a shot at Sheldon makes a lot of sense and immediately crosses a huge need off our board.

    I was certainly surprised we were not in the reported trade conversations with the Jets for Richardson, so, yes, I'd expect us to be one of his FA suitors.

    Bryant-Shelton-Richardson would be a helluva base 3 fronting a 3-4. And on passing downs trot off Danny and bookend Des and Sheldon with Collins and a Player to be named/emerge/drafted? Wow...

    #Front2Back&InsideOut4ever

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #64

    @tour2ma said:

    I was certainly surprised we were not in the reported trade conversations with the Jets for Richardson, so, yes, I'd expect us to be one of his FA suitors.

    Bryant-Shelton-Richardson would be a helluva base 3 fronting a 3-4. And on passing downs trot off Danny and bookend Des and Sheldon with Collins and a Player to be named/emerge/drafted? Wow...

    #Front2Back&InsideOut4ever

    Omg why the 3-4 with those guys plus og,orch and nas? I want any combination of those 6 guys on the field at all times

  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #65

    Not convinced on Richardson based on supposed character issues.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Yeah, I agree. I think we're going to TRY to make SOME kind of big splash, I really do.

    What makes you think that? Because I am fully expecting us to go after tier 2/3 guys to supplement our home-grown talent. Maybe I'm wrong, and the Jamie Collins acquisition is a sign of things to come, but I saw it more as a shot in the arm of veteran leadership and quality that the D was sorely missing.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #66

    @gftchris said:

    What makes you think that? Because I am fully expecting us to go after tier 2/3 guys to supplement our home-grown talent. Maybe I'm wrong, and the Jamie Collins acquisition is a sign of things to come, but I saw it more as a shot in the arm of veteran leadership and quality that the D was sorely missing.

    First.. a "big splash" can come in the form of a single UFA signing. Richardson would qualify. So would resigning Collins. That's 2. Just as you can't toss enough pebbles into a pond to match the splash made by a couple bricks or a single cinder block, it's the size/quality of the talent signed that counts in FA.

    Second, "2/3 guys" is certainly a reasonable estimate as would be 4. But certainly the bulk of the roster will still be comprised of draftees and UDFAs. I see nothing inconsistent with your take and "the plan".

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I think we'll go after safety/corner back HARD in free agency.

    Certainly are some names in the 2017 UFA class...

    At Safety I think you can forget top tier players going for a second big deal, like Eric Berry and Barry Church, but there are some interesting choices coming off of rookie contracts. My eyes fell to AZ's situation of having both Tony Jefferson and D.J. Swearinger hitting UFA at the same time. Hard to see one of them not getting squeezed out of the desert by cap considerations.

    http://overthecap.com/free-agency/

    At corner? The pickens look a lot slimmer to me. Mostly a bunch of pebbles... The Pats' Butler jumps out, but he's an RFA so depends on the Pats' tender. I'm sure I missed a couple in my quick scan, but otherwise HOU's AJ Bouye is about the only one that jumps out and he's having a good, not great year.

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  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #67

    I wasn't saying two or three guys, but that we would go after second or third tier players - so not Richardson or weddle for example. Demario Davis type players that fill in holes to complement our big draft and develop players.

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  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

    @canton-dawg said:

    Forrest Gregg & Marty Schottenheimer come to mind.

    Good ole Forrest. I've often thought that we could use a hard nosed sob like him to get the culture changed.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #68

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Good ole Forrest. I've often thought that we could use a hard nosed sob like him to get the culture changed.

    Not seeing a hard-ass who couldn't make it with us in the 70's doing well today...

    @gftchris said:

    Not convinced on Richardson based on supposed character issues.

    Came out of Mizzou with "character concerns and 'maturity, leadership and consistency issues'". That said, people grow up...

    What has he done off-field during his NYJ time? One arrest for racing (reportedly hit 143 mph) in 2015. Also charged with resisting arrest, but who knows the circumstances there. Apologized to his team for the distraction Otherwise seems like he overslept and was late for a team meeting this year and may have missed a walkthru (can't verify). Both could be a reaction to NYJ openly shopping him Curbed his Enthusiam...

    Not a poster child, but hardly a hardened criminal. Many reports of teammates supporting him. Certainly deserves an interview.

    Even if the edges are a bit rough, there comes a point when if you surround a "problem child" with good teammates, they change him rather than him changing your team. Moss with the Pats may be the best example I can think of.

    Maybe his edges are still too rough... maybe our team is not ready to be enough of a positive influence... but you don't know unless you interview the man. And I'd include "team leaders" in the interview process. Kirksey or Davis and Haden on the D-side... Greco and Joe T for the O-side.

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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I wasn't saying two or three guys, but that we would go after second or third tier players - so not Richardson or weddle for example. Demario Davis type players that fill in holes to complement our big draft and develop players.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #69

    @gftchris said:

    I wasn't saying two or three guys, but that we would go after second or third tier players - so not Richardson or weddle for example. Demario Davis type players that fill in holes to complement our big draft and develop players.

    Ah... that's what "tier" means... that's different then isn't it?

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  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on
    #70

    Gregg was 18-23. Not great then but by today's standards...lol. I saw him as a good type to build with then get the players coach.

  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

    Gregg was 18-23. Not great then but by today's standards...lol. I saw him as a good type to build with then get the players coach.

    Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on
    #71

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Gregg was 18-23. Not great then but by today's standards...lol. I saw him as a good type to build with then get the players coach.

    Then after he left here, he took the Bungholes to a Super Bowl.

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
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  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Gregg was 18-23. Not great then but by today's standards...lol. I saw him as a good type to build with then get the players coach.

    Then after he left here, he took the Bungholes to a Super Bowl.

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on
    #72

    @canton-dawg said:

    Then after he left here, he took the Bungholes to a Super Bowl.

    If I recall correctly, some of the players bitched that he was too strict. It was dumb to fire him, he brought a 3-11 team to 9-5 in '76, but the wheels fell off in '77.

    Karlis Missed
  • Bob806B Bob806

    @canton-dawg said:

    Then after he left here, he took the Bungholes to a Super Bowl.

    If I recall correctly, some of the players bitched that he was too strict. It was dumb to fire him, he brought a 3-11 team to 9-5 in '76, but the wheels fell off in '77.

    flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on
    #73

    @bob806 said:

    If I recall correctly, some of the players bitched that he was too strict. It was dumb to fire him, he brought a 3-11 team to 9-5 in '76, but the wheels fell off in '77.

    Right now, if a guy came in here and won 18 out of 41 games? People would be throwing rose petals at his feet as he walked.

  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

    @bob806 said:

    If I recall correctly, some of the players bitched that he was too strict. It was dumb to fire him, he brought a 3-11 team to 9-5 in '76, but the wheels fell off in '77.

    Right now, if a guy came in here and won 18 out of 41 games? People would be throwing rose petals at his feet as he walked.

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on
    #74

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Right now, if a guy came in here and won 18 out of 41 games? People would be throwing rose petals at his feet as he walked.

    Yep.

    It wasn't long ago they were 6-3 after kicking Cincy's ass.

    The city was buzzing, and then.......phuuuuuuu

    Karlis Missed
  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #75

    Well the problem I see with signing FAs in the offseason is that we could not even convince our own to stay. So how do we attract anyone else to an 0-16 team?

  • T TexasAg1969

    Well the problem I see with signing FAs in the offseason is that we could not even convince our own to stay. So how do we attract anyone else to an 0-16 team?

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #76

    @texasag1969 said:

    Well the problem I see with signing FAs in the offseason is that we could not even convince our own to stay. So how do we attract anyone else to an 0-16 team?

    Money. Money wins the type of FA we want every day of the week.

    We don't want a ring chasing veteran near the end of his career. We want rookies that we drafted, or guys coming off their rookie contracts that can't be retained by their team.

    We want the TJ Wards to come to us, not the other way around.

    Sure, we'll overspend initially. But getting quality young talent in Cleveland will change our culture and spur wins, which will then lower the barrier of entry for future FA's. Then we lop off the initial overpriced FA's and start bringing in guys with friendlier contracts over time.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • W wargograw wrote on
    #77

    Oakland managed to attract some really nice FAs despite pretty bad seasons.

  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #78

    Jags too - Julius Thomas, Malik Jackson, Gipson, and don't forget in 2014 it was them who Mack originally signed with. Money talks.

  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Gregg was 18-23. Not great then but by today's standards...lol. I saw him as a good type to build with then get the players coach.

    Then after he left here, he took the Bungholes to a Super Bowl.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #79

    @canton-dawg said:

    Then after he left here, he took the Bungholes to a Super Bowl.

    ... and then Cinci back to mediocrity before leaving to lead a mediocre Packers team to the cellar.

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