Browns trade for BROCK OSWEILER
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Signing RG3 was both a gut feeling acquisition as well as an analytical one. The money lined up and I'm sure Hue thought RG3 was a great reclamation project. It's a solid view from an analytical standpoint - he's a first round pick who's potential value is monumentally higher than his pricetag.
The choice to continue playing Erving was more analytical in nature than anything - Erving is a first-round asset who is costing us essentially nothing and, on paper, he is more talented than the rest of the options. His value would be extremely low, as teams don't trade their first round players a year in to their contracts. We would not have gotten a positive return from him, therefore his greatest value to us is on the field, potentially developing into the player he was picked to be. Benching him does nothing, trading him likely wouldn't yield a very favorable result.
The choice to support Erving is nothing more than a head coach not abandoning his players. It's exactly the type of person Hue is.
I don't know that I saw Kessler being an analytics pick, since it was Hue singing his praises and not Sashi. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe the general consensus was the opposite - that Kessler was a Hue pick.
I'll bite at bits of the bite... maybe that makes me a nibbler...
When you look at the used-QB alternatives, there weren't many that were more attractive... that had as much upside potential (ceiling)... than RG3. He'd been to the performance mountain top... he just couldn't stay there.
So Hue took a chance... built him up in public (another attribute of a players coach). Then he drilled "throw it away" and "slide" into RG until he was probably mumbling it in his sleep. And early it looked like it took root... until it did not.
Hue knew playing, staying on the field was challenge #1 for RG. If he could just get that down pat, then there was a chance other aspects of his QB play could improve as well. But in a moment of competitive ignorance, RG reverted and the experiment was over.
One other potential factor with Irving was how he did in practice and the OL room. I have a feeling that at up to 3/4 speed in the former and any speed in the latter, he looked OK to good... good enough anyway in the eyes of his Players Coach/Teacher to tease his way through most of the season. He simply lacked an ability to take it onto the field. Something many of us here and Pet saw and admitted to ourselves long before Hue was able to.
I'll bite at bits of the bite... maybe that makes me a nibbler...
When you look at the used-QB alternatives, there weren't many that were more attractive... that had as much upside potential (ceiling)... than RG3. He'd been to the performance mountain top... he just couldn't stay there.
So Hue took a chance... built him up in public (another attribute of a players coach). Then he drilled "throw it away" and "slide" into RG until he was probably mumbling it in his sleep. And early it looked like it took root... until it did not.
Hue knew playing, staying on the field was challenge #1 for RG. If he could just get that down pat, then there was a chance other aspects of his QB play could improve as well. But in a moment of competitive ignorance, RG reverted and the experiment was over.
One other potential factor with Irving was how he did in practice and the OL room. I have a feeling that at up to 3/4 speed in the former and any speed in the latter, he looked OK to good... good enough anyway in the eyes of his Players Coach/Teacher to tease his way through most of the season. He simply lacked an ability to take it onto the field. Something many of us here and Pet saw and admitted to ourselves long before Hue was able to.
If you think about it....what is out there NOW in terms of "Used QBs". Are any of them any better than RG is? Cutler, maybe Chase Daniel, maybe Kaepernik?
Having BO here is perhaps a better option than all of them.
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lol we'll see...he has this year to prove he can be a coach on our team, less if we start 0-X. Gregg could take over at the bye in that scenario.
Y'all are too quick to defend Hue but fact is he is one of the few coaches remaining from a 1-19 season, he is statistically the WORST head coach the browns have ever had. But i saw improvement early on in the year under kessler and our running game i have faith Hue can bounce back as an offensive coach and coach with a little more clarity now that he has been served with some humility. Flip of that coin i had ZERO faith in Horton and was vindicated and proven correct that we had the WORST defense in franchise history.
That being said it's difficult to evaluate Jackson with the anchor that was Horton. It's difficult to judge players on the defense as well. But he acted like a ROOKIE head coach and I'm hoping with Gregg Williams on board to mentor him and taking over all defensive aspects will let Hue perform better. Again I've not heard of a co-coaching situation but this really resembles that setup. With Williams talking about me vs. him, and "My" defense. It's a lot different than it has been in the previous 5 years atleast.
Bearing all this in mind i also believe Jackson has been relieved of alot of his player evaluation duties. frankly because he's not very good at them its not his strong suit at all. RG3? Seriously thats your hand chosen QB? Kessler was the best QB on the team last year and he was "allegedly" an analytics pick. If he would have won a few games for us i have a feeling Hue would have claimed all the credit in the world for it. After being benched in the ravens game. Kessler played a little bit in the next game and was benched the rest of the year. at the end of the year he led all browns QB's in ALL stats.
Hue's Picked QB was so Bad he was recently made totally expendable by Brock Osweiler. That's how bad Hue missed.
Scores after Kessler became the Starter 24,20,13,26,17,28,10 after he was benched 7,9,13,10,13,20,24.
i can throw numbers all day as to why benching your most productive QB is stupid but i really dont need too and NFL Coach should know better. Its this kind of shit I'm hoping has humbled Jackson and is going to let him learn from his mistakes.
Do i even need to mention that cameron erving was playing center most of the year because jackson "Believed" in him. he's responsible for over 30 QB Sacks and i dont even know how many QB Hits and run plays he let get blown up. more than 50% of our teams sacks are directly responsible to ONE player. and Hue KEPT PLAYING HIM.... WHY?!? What sense does this make?!
The only logical thing i could think of was that we needed to put film of him out there so that we can trade him for anything this upcoming preseason.
From Free Agency to the end of the year firing to the new hires I firmly believe that the "Analytics" some people seem to argue against so vehemently has assumed MUCH MORE control this year. This Should enable Hue to focus on the one thing he should be focused on. Scoring Points and Running an offense. No lets resurrect RG's Career and show everyone how great of QB coach i am *derp*. No lets play Erving because I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A CENTER IS DO. Hopefully less timeouts on the first play of half. Hopefully our Team gains some DISCIPLINE a trait that was sorely missed last year.
Long story short, Hopefully the Brain Trust has relieved Hue of some of his HC responsibility in order to facilitate more effective team management and Hide Hue's Weaknesses and exemplify his Strengths as a coach. While Also Leaning on Williams for team Disciplinelol we'll see...he has this year to prove he can be a coach on our team, less if we start 0-X. Gregg could take over at the bye in that scenario.
Y'all are too quick to defend Hue but fact is he is one of the few coaches remaining from a 1-19 season, he is statistically the WORST head coach the browns have ever had. But i saw improvement early on in the year under kessler and our running game i have faith Hue can bounce back as an offensive coach and coach with a little more clarity now that he has been served with some humility. Flip of that coin i had ZERO faith in Horton and was vindicated and proven correct that we had the WORST defense in franchise history.
That being said it's difficult to evaluate Jackson with the anchor that was Horton. It's difficult to judge players on the defense as well. But he acted like a ROOKIE head coach and I'm hoping with Gregg Williams on board to mentor him and taking over all defensive aspects will let Hue perform better. Again I've not heard of a co-coaching situation but this really resembles that setup. With Williams talking about me vs. him, and "My" defense. It's a lot different than it has been in the previous 5 years atleast.
Bearing all this in mind i also believe Jackson has been relieved of alot of his player evaluation duties. frankly because he's not very good at them its not his strong suit at all. RG3? Seriously thats your hand chosen QB? Kessler was the best QB on the team last year and he was "allegedly" an analytics pick. If he would have won a few games for us i have a feeling Hue would have claimed all the credit in the world for it. After being benched in the ravens game. Kessler played a little bit in the next game and was benched the rest of the year. at the end of the year he led all browns QB's in ALL stats.
Hue's Picked QB was so Bad he was recently made totally expendable by Brock Osweiler. That's how bad Hue missed.
Scores after Kessler became the Starter 24,20,13,26,17,28,10 after he was benched 7,9,13,10,13,20,24.
i can throw numbers all day as to why benching your most productive QB is stupid but i really dont need too and NFL Coach should know better. Its this kind of shit I'm hoping has humbled Jackson and is going to let him learn from his mistakes.
Do i even need to mention that cameron erving was playing center most of the year because jackson "Believed" in him. he's responsible for over 30 QB Sacks and i dont even know how many QB Hits and run plays he let get blown up. more than 50% of our teams sacks are directly responsible to ONE player. and Hue KEPT PLAYING HIM.... WHY?!? What sense does this make?!
The only logical thing i could think of was that we needed to put film of him out there so that we can trade him for anything this upcoming preseason.
From Free Agency to the end of the year firing to the new hires I firmly believe that the "Analytics" some people seem to argue against so vehemently has assumed MUCH MORE control this year. This Should enable Hue to focus on the one thing he should be focused on. Scoring Points and Running an offense. No lets resurrect RG's Career and show everyone how great of QB coach i am *derp*. No lets play Erving because I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A CENTER IS DO. Hopefully less timeouts on the first play of half. Hopefully our Team gains some DISCIPLINE a trait that was sorely missed last year.
Long story short, Hopefully the Brain Trust has relieved Hue of some of his HC responsibility in order to facilitate more effective team management and Hide Hue's Weaknesses and exemplify his Strengths as a coach. While Also Leaning on Williams for team Discipline
You've prosecuted the case against Hue. Got it. Unfortunately that just makes your statement that we can make the playoffs this year all the more baffling and looks like it's purely just emotional on your end.
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lol we'll see...he has this year to prove he can be a coach on our team, less if we start 0-X. Gregg could take over at the bye in that scenario.
Y'all are too quick to defend Hue but fact is he is one of the few coaches remaining from a 1-19 season, he is statistically the WORST head coach the browns have ever had. But i saw improvement early on in the year under kessler and our running game i have faith Hue can bounce back as an offensive coach and coach with a little more clarity now that he has been served with some humility. Flip of that coin i had ZERO faith in Horton and was vindicated and proven correct that we had the WORST defense in franchise history.
That being said it's difficult to evaluate Jackson with the anchor that was Horton. It's difficult to judge players on the defense as well. But he acted like a ROOKIE head coach and I'm hoping with Gregg Williams on board to mentor him and taking over all defensive aspects will let Hue perform better. Again I've not heard of a co-coaching situation but this really resembles that setup. With Williams talking about me vs. him, and "My" defense. It's a lot different than it has been in the previous 5 years atleast.
Bearing all this in mind i also believe Jackson has been relieved of alot of his player evaluation duties. frankly because he's not very good at them its not his strong suit at all. RG3? Seriously thats your hand chosen QB? Kessler was the best QB on the team last year and he was "allegedly" an analytics pick. If he would have won a few games for us i have a feeling Hue would have claimed all the credit in the world for it. After being benched in the ravens game. Kessler played a little bit in the next game and was benched the rest of the year. at the end of the year he led all browns QB's in ALL stats.
Hue's Picked QB was so Bad he was recently made totally expendable by Brock Osweiler. That's how bad Hue missed.
Scores after Kessler became the Starter 24,20,13,26,17,28,10 after he was benched 7,9,13,10,13,20,24.
i can throw numbers all day as to why benching your most productive QB is stupid but i really dont need too and NFL Coach should know better. Its this kind of shit I'm hoping has humbled Jackson and is going to let him learn from his mistakes.
Do i even need to mention that cameron erving was playing center most of the year because jackson "Believed" in him. he's responsible for over 30 QB Sacks and i dont even know how many QB Hits and run plays he let get blown up. more than 50% of our teams sacks are directly responsible to ONE player. and Hue KEPT PLAYING HIM.... WHY?!? What sense does this make?!
The only logical thing i could think of was that we needed to put film of him out there so that we can trade him for anything this upcoming preseason.
From Free Agency to the end of the year firing to the new hires I firmly believe that the "Analytics" some people seem to argue against so vehemently has assumed MUCH MORE control this year. This Should enable Hue to focus on the one thing he should be focused on. Scoring Points and Running an offense. No lets resurrect RG's Career and show everyone how great of QB coach i am *derp*. No lets play Erving because I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A CENTER IS DO. Hopefully less timeouts on the first play of half. Hopefully our Team gains some DISCIPLINE a trait that was sorely missed last year.
Long story short, Hopefully the Brain Trust has relieved Hue of some of his HC responsibility in order to facilitate more effective team management and Hide Hue's Weaknesses and exemplify his Strengths as a coach. While Also Leaning on Williams for team Discipline
You've prosecuted the case against Hue. Got it. Unfortunately that just makes your statement that we can make the playoffs this year all the more baffling and looks like it's purely just emotional on your end.
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I'll bite at bits of the bite... maybe that makes me a nibbler...
When you look at the used-QB alternatives, there weren't many that were more attractive... that had as much upside potential (ceiling)... than RG3. He'd been to the performance mountain top... he just couldn't stay there.
So Hue took a chance... built him up in public (another attribute of a players coach). Then he drilled "throw it away" and "slide" into RG until he was probably mumbling it in his sleep. And early it looked like it took root... until it did not.
Hue knew playing, staying on the field was challenge #1 for RG. If he could just get that down pat, then there was a chance other aspects of his QB play could improve as well. But in a moment of competitive ignorance, RG reverted and the experiment was over.
One other potential factor with Irving was how he did in practice and the OL room. I have a feeling that at up to 3/4 speed in the former and any speed in the latter, he looked OK to good... good enough anyway in the eyes of his Players Coach/Teacher to tease his way through most of the season. He simply lacked an ability to take it onto the field. Something many of us here and Pet saw and admitted to ourselves long before Hue was able to.
If you think about it....what is out there NOW in terms of "Used QBs". Are any of them any better than RG is? Cutler, maybe Chase Daniel, maybe Kaepernik?
Having BO here is perhaps a better option than all of them.
If you think about it....what is out there NOW in terms of "Used QBs". Are any of them any better than RG is? THIS GUY-----Chase Daniel,
Having BO here is perhaps a better option than all of them. NO
If given the true opportunity with a chance to play over Wentz...Chase Daniels is your best on market, But better move quick cause Reid in KC likes him also. I like Chase even over AJ McCarron..
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