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  • medicinemanM medicineman wrote on
    #21

    First of all, a President or vice or whatever of "Football operations" Is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Didn't we even have Mike Holmgren some "great coach"? What the fuk is that title do? Was there such a thing 20 years ago? Then why is this "President of football operations" NOT DOING ANYTHING? What does the coach do then? who the fuk is this clown? Sounds to me they created a job so they could help finger the blame as to why we suck butt. "Well I am the President of football operations and I will turn this team around" Excuse me while I laugh at you. I am being honest here, What is the President of Football operations job? Seeing how we have won 1 game in 2 seasons sounds like he is not doing it or just sucks at it.  Our team in 1999 didn't look as bad as these guys.

  • OrionO Orion

    @tour2ma said:

    don't always agree with them as is the case with yours, but I find them to be well reasoned by and large...

    ...and I yours.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #22

    He's the guy folks can actually point to when a draft pick isn't all-pro after his first preseason... still f'd up to point that early, but at least they would be pointing to the right guy...

    @orion said:

    ...and I yours.

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  • T Tacosman

    this idea that the defense is good is laughable.

    Rush defense?  Who gives a **** about that?  This is the nfl in 2017.  As another poster said, running the football with running backs is a side game.  

    Our defensive stats are also misleading because in the last third of some games the other team isn't even trying to score really and is just killing clock.  Look at more telling stats like first half total scoring and first half drive percentage success....we're at the very bottom of the league in one and near the bottom in another.

    Our defense, while not as bad as our offense, still blows.

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on
    #23

    @tacosman said:

    this idea that the defense is good is laughable.

    Rush defense?  Who gives a **** about that?  This is the nfl in 2017.  

    It's  a step. We haven't been able to stop the run in like, forever.

    I'm not happy, trust me. But the key to winning the AFC North is stopping the run, and running the ball.

    Karlis Missed
  • Bob806B Bob806

    @tacosman said:

    this idea that the defense is good is laughable.

    Rush defense?  Who gives a **** about that?  This is the nfl in 2017.  

    It's  a step. We haven't been able to stop the run in like, forever.

    I'm not happy, trust me. But the key to winning the AFC North is stopping the run, and running the ball.

    OrionO Orion wrote on
    #24

    @bob806 said:

    It's  a step. We haven't been able to stop the run in like, forever.  Wholeheartedly agree.

    I'm not happy, trust me. But the key to winning the AFC North is stopping the run, and running the ball. Wholeheartedly disagree.

    The AFC East (Patriots) is no different than the AFC North.   We get wind, rain, snow all at the same time or any combination of.  The Patriots have set passing records in blizzards.

    Yes, you have to be able to stop the run or teams won't even bother to throw the ball (except just to keep in practice).  

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #25

    Well... passing may be an optional route to victory, but failing to stop the run virtually guarantees defeat no matter the division.

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  • OrionO Orion

    @bob806 said:

    It's  a step. We haven't been able to stop the run in like, forever.  Wholeheartedly agree.

    I'm not happy, trust me. But the key to winning the AFC North is stopping the run, and running the ball. Wholeheartedly disagree.

    The AFC East (Patriots) is no different than the AFC North.   We get wind, rain, snow all at the same time or any combination of.  The Patriots have set passing records in blizzards.

    Yes, you have to be able to stop the run or teams won't even bother to throw the ball (except just to keep in practice).  

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on
    #26

    @orion said:

    The AFC East (Patriots) is no different than the AFC North.   We get wind, rain, snow all at the same time or any combination of.  The Patriots have set passing records in blizzards.

    Yes, you have to be able to stop the run or teams won't even bother to throw the ball (except just to keep in practice).  

    I hear you, it's a pass happy league.

    But, the glass-half-full take is we are stopping the run. If we, and it's a big IF because WR and QB are bigger needs, get a dynamic RB, we may be on to something. Crowell is a goner, and I think he's average anyway.

    Karlis Missed
  • Bob806B Bob806

    @orion said:

    The AFC East (Patriots) is no different than the AFC North.   We get wind, rain, snow all at the same time or any combination of.  The Patriots have set passing records in blizzards.

    Yes, you have to be able to stop the run or teams won't even bother to throw the ball (except just to keep in practice).  

    I hear you, it's a pass happy league.

    But, the glass-half-full take is we are stopping the run. If we, and it's a big IF because WR and QB are bigger needs, get a dynamic RB, we may be on to something. Crowell is a goner, and I think he's average anyway.

    OrionO Orion wrote on
    #27

    @bob806 said:

    I hear you, it's a pass happy league.

    It really and truly is.  The speed of the defensive front 7's of today and the rules protecting the receivers have driven the game toward passing.

    The rules protecting the receivers (& QB) were needed in so many ways.  First of all, it really was never fair to receivers to be stretching out to catch a pass while the DB doesn't give a rats butt about intercepting....or even if you catch it or not...he just wants to smash the hell of out you while you're in that prone position.  That was always wrong.

    Secondly, It makes the game more 'entertaining' to be catching passes and putting more points on the boards.  More appealing to the less 'die-hard' fans.

    Thirdly, the NFL could see what was happening to the run game over the years...with the defensive players getting so fast compared to the years of Jim Brown or even OJ Simpson's era.  It was getting harder and harder to run.  Also, rosters were expanded.  You had more guys that could be rotated in on the DL..  The game clock rules changed such that simply going out of bounds did not halt the clock.  This effectively shortened the game so those big DLinemen aren't quite as tired in the 4th quarter.  In the old days you would wear down the D with the run and take control with it late in the game.  It's simply not the case anymore.  Now you have to pass to set up the run.

    @bob806 said:

    Crowell is a goner, and I think he's average anyway.

    You're not alone in that thinking.  To me, he's good enough for what is required in today's NFL.  Sure, bringing in someone better is always good...but we need 'better' in other areas too...like WR, DB,  perhaps LB, someone is going to have to replace Joe Thomas before too long...etc.  (won't get into the elephant in the room)

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