Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam knew about sales scheme: former Pilot exec
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"The Knoxville News Sentinel reports the jury in the federal fraud trial of former Pilot Flying J executives and sales representatives heard a recording of former vice president John "Stick" Freeman saying Haslam was aware of the scheme to deprive trucking customers of the diesel discounts they had negotiated.
In Freeman's words: "He knew — absolutely."
This is a recording of "hearsay evidence" not a recording of Jimmy himself. It means absolutely nothing in a court of law unless witnesses in Jimmy's trial attest that he "knew everything". You'd think one or more who knew would have turned on him in a plea bargain by now.
his is a recording of "hearsay evidence" not a recording of Jimmy himself.
Correct.
So it turns out that Freeman wore a wire and Haslam is on tape saying that he loved the scam
Not correct.
Remember- Haslam didn't build Pilot from scratch, he inherited it.
He and his father were both involved in the purchase idea of the truck stops. While traveling they stopped at a truck stop or two and took notice of the amount of business they were doing and saw dollar signs.
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his is a recording of "hearsay evidence" not a recording of Jimmy himself.
Correct.
So it turns out that Freeman wore a wire and Haslam is on tape saying that he loved the scam
Not correct.
Remember- Haslam didn't build Pilot from scratch, he inherited it.
He and his father were both involved in the purchase idea of the truck stops. While traveling they stopped at a truck stop or two and took notice of the amount of business they were doing and saw dollar signs.
Correct.
Not correct.
He and his father were both involved in the purchase idea of the truck stops. While traveling they stopped at a truck stop or two and took notice of the amount of business they were doing and saw dollar signs.
Freeman is the one speaking about Haslam. Sorry about the confusion. Either way, it sure looks like James is pretty dirty in this
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When the FBI opens an investigation into you or your company, you are in a world of Sheet.
I other news... water is wet.
When the FBI opens an investigation into you or your company, you are in a world of Sheet.
Unless of course you are making America great again?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Eh, while I could easily believe he knew I could also easily believe he didn't. One guy very much trying to save his butt from the feds saying he knew doesn't sway me one way or the other.
The simple truth is that while you're responsible for a company you lead, your hands as a CEO aren't in every cookie jar.
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Good.
Let this man surrender the team to the league because he is a shitty owner who can't hire successful men to put this team into playoff contention..
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Dumb hillbilly was bringing a knife to a gunfight.
As someone whose family one way or another has been involved in trucking since the 40s, when my grandfather started his trucking business, Haslam can rot in a jail cell.
I've just been reading more on this. Try this number. $450,000a month is what they were defrauding truckers out of on their fuel. And emails were sent from execs to Jimmy StupidShmuckinghillbilly informing him. If he loves the analytics he set in place for the Browns, I wonder what he'll think of the analprobing he can get in the federal lockup.BBC anyone?
I've just been reading more on this. Try this number. $450,000a month is what they were defrauding truckers out of on their fuel. And emails were sent from execs to Jimmy StupidShmuckinghillbilly informing him. If he loves the analytics he set in place for the Browns, I wonder what he'll think of the analprobing he can get in the federal lockup.BBC anyone?
They put people like Haslam in a Federal Prison Camp. He would never go to a maximum security prison.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I other news... water is wet.
When the FBI opens an investigation into you or your company, you are in a world of Sheet.
Unless of course you are making America great again?
I other news... water is wet.
Unless of course you are making America great again?
Big difference. The FBI doesn't work for Haslam.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Eh, while I could easily believe he knew I could also easily believe he didn't. One guy very much trying to save his butt from the feds saying he knew doesn't sway me one way or the other.
The simple truth is that while you're responsible for a company you lead, your hands as a CEO aren't in every cookie jar.
The simple truth is that while you're responsible for a company you lead, your hands as a CEO aren't in every cookie jar.
While true this was a company wide program with major implications for the bottom line meaning costs projections were done. While I grant you that upside surprises garner less scrutiny than shortfalls, the less-than-expected cost of this program would be apparent to any engaged CEO.
If Jimmah dis not know, then it was because he was he either did not want to know or simply was curious enough.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Big difference. The FBI doesn't work for Haslam.
And historically the FBI doesn't "work" for the President.
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Well, the FBI director does. Ask Comey.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
When the FBI opens an investigation into you or your company, you are in a world of Sheet.
When the FBI opens an investigation into you or your company, you are in a world of Sheet.
They did that....and he has scraped by. I doubt any testimony of this nature will change that status.
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Good.
Let this man surrender the team to the league because he is a shitty owner who can't hire successful men to put this team into playoff contention..
Good.
Let this man surrender the team to the league because he is a shitty owner who can't hire successful men to put this team into playoff contention..
That won't happen .. Dee Haslam is our new owner.. Let that sink a minute.. An Emo broad who went "Nuclear".. Now owns our team.. My worst fear just became a reality...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Well, the FBI director does. Ask Comey.
Well, the FBI director does. Ask Comey.
Pretty sure that's a bad example... on many levels.
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"The Knoxville News Sentinel reports the jury in the federal fraud trial of former Pilot Flying J executives and sales representatives heard a recording of former vice president John "Stick" Freeman saying Haslam was aware of the scheme to deprive trucking customers of the diesel discounts they had negotiated.
In Freeman's words: "He knew — absolutely."
This is a recording of "hearsay evidence" not a recording of Jimmy himself. It means absolutely nothing in a court of law unless witnesses in Jimmy's trial attest that he "knew everything". You'd think one or more who knew would have turned on him in a plea bargain by now.
"The Knoxville News Sentinel reports the jury in the federal fraud trial of former Pilot Flying J executives and sales representatives heard a recording of former vice president John "Stick" Freeman saying Haslam was aware of the scheme to deprive trucking customers of the diesel discounts they had negotiated.
In Freeman's words: "He knew — absolutely."
This is a recording of "hearsay evidence" not a recording of Jimmy himself. It means absolutely nothing in a court of law unless witnesses in Jimmy's trial attest that he "knew everything". You'd think one or more who knew would have turned on him in a plea bargain by now.
I would not call that statement hearsay. Hearsay would be: " I John Freeman heard from Mr. Daffy Duck that Jimmy Haslam told Daffy Duck to rip off truckers".
If John Freeman said: Jimmy Haslam told me to rip off truckers.....that is not hearsay.
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Pretty sure it's not 'homey'.
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Good.
Let this man surrender the team to the league because he is a shitty owner who can't hire successful men to put this team into playoff contention..
That won't happen .. Dee Haslam is our new owner.. Let that sink a minute.. An Emo broad who went "Nuclear".. Now owns our team.. My worst fear just became a reality...
That won't happen .. Dee Haslam is our new owner.. Let that sink a minute.. An Emo broad who went "Nuclear".. Now owns our team.. My worst fear just became a reality...
Pretty sure the last (and only?) woman to own an NFL franchise won a SB.
Just sayin'...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Big difference. The FBI doesn't work for Haslam.
Right....Haslam cannot obstruct an investigation into himself by the FBI.
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Good.
Let this man surrender the team to the league because he is a shitty owner who can't hire successful men to put this team into playoff contention..
That won't happen .. Dee Haslam is our new owner.. Let that sink a minute.. An Emo broad who went "Nuclear".. Now owns our team.. My worst fear just became a reality...
That won't happen .. Dee Haslam is our new owner.. Let that sink a minute.. An Emo broad who went "Nuclear".. Now owns our team.. My worst fear just became a reality...
Don't forget the involvement of the son (or was that son-in-law?)
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"The Knoxville News Sentinel reports the jury in the federal fraud trial of former Pilot Flying J executives and sales representatives heard a recording of former vice president John "Stick" Freeman saying Haslam was aware of the scheme to deprive trucking customers of the diesel discounts they had negotiated.
In Freeman's words: "He knew — absolutely."
This is a recording of "hearsay evidence" not a recording of Jimmy himself. It means absolutely nothing in a court of law unless witnesses in Jimmy's trial attest that he "knew everything". You'd think one or more who knew would have turned on him in a plea bargain by now.
I would not call that statement hearsay. Hearsay would be: " I John Freeman heard from Mr. Daffy Duck that Jimmy Haslam told Daffy Duck to rip off truckers".
If John Freeman said: Jimmy Haslam told me to rip off truckers.....that is not hearsay.
I would not call that statement hearsay. Hearsay would be: " I John Freeman heard from Mr. Daffy Duck that Jimmy Haslam told Daffy Duck to rip off truckers".
If John Freeman said: Jimmy Haslam told me to rip off truckers.....that is not hearsay.
But you would still need him to testify under oath would you not? The recording by itself would not suffice. Correct?
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