This isnt coaching...
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Everyone has a euphemism, saying, or pet peeve that they think will fix the Browns. The guy who posted that it takes a lot of failures to contribute to this mess really hit the nail on the head. We have been bashing each other on the head for some time now, and even with some of the suggested changes being made, the outcome is different.
Whether it is poor talent, bad coaching, bad management, morale, discipline, ownership, play calling, attitude, or something else, the Cleveland Browns are a monumental disaster. Sadly, not one of us can make any single change, and as much as we think Dorsey is/isn't the right guy, none of us really have enough inside information to make a sensible analysis of this team.
In my mind, it is hard for me to see how 2018 will be much different, especially if Hue is the coach. His shortcomings have been shown for 2 years now, Dorkey's hiring won't change that. Likewise, Dorkey is not going to add new talent to substantially impact our roster. Unless he unloads everyone a al Chuck Nolte..........
There is just something weird going on with the Browns. How in the fukck can one team continually make monumental mistakes while playing good enough to be in a winning position? How many fumbles can you have while crossing in for a touchdown? This isn't anger inducing............we are the fukcking Rubiks Hube of the NFL.
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Everyone has a euphemism, saying, or pet peeve that they think will fix the Browns. The guy who posted that it takes a lot of failures to contribute to this mess really hit the nail on the head. We have been bashing each other on the head for some time now, and even with some of the suggested changes being made, the outcome is different.
Whether it is poor talent, bad coaching, bad management, morale, discipline, ownership, play calling, attitude, or something else, the Cleveland Browns are a monumental disaster. Sadly, not one of us can make any single change, and as much as we think Dorsey is/isn't the right guy, none of us really have enough inside information to make a sensible analysis of this team.
In my mind, it is hard for me to see how 2018 will be much different, especially if Hue is the coach. His shortcomings have been shown for 2 years now, Dorkey's hiring won't change that. Likewise, Dorkey is not going to add new talent to substantially impact our roster. Unless he unloads everyone a al Chuck Nolte..........
There is just something weird going on with the Browns. How in the fukck can one team continually make monumental mistakes while playing good enough to be in a winning position? How many fumbles can you have while crossing in for a touchdown? This isn't anger inducing............we are the fukcking Rubiks Hube of the NFL.
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As of this moment I am still Pollyanna. Even though I want a top quarterback prospect I remember every year discussions about almost every Pro Bowl and Hall of Fame quarterbacks terrible first season. No reason that wouldn't carry over to position players terrible first seasons. As the youngest team in the league by far there has to be some talent that will improve. I do believe that when that happens things will start to look a lot better very quickly.
I do believe that the biggest reason for failure was cutting key players who may not have been world class but still able to contribute.
I do hope that a real GM will make the right decisions.
WSS
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I honestly don't think that the talent on this team is that bad....overall talentwise. I said before the season that the Browns have talent parity with most of the other teams in the AFCN........at many positions. But where did not have talent parity were at the two most critical positions: Head coach and QB. I also thought they were deficient a bit at WR....and particularly in the defensive backfield.
This was my preseason statement, and I still believe that. Our QB has lost us innumerable games that our talent could have possibly won. Our HC has lost us a number of games that the talent was worthy of winning.
Injuries have hurt as well. Losing JT, Collins, Ogbah...and others hurt badly. (but yes, I know all teams have injuries...but I am saying that this team could not afford them.) I really think that this team could have been what I predicted them to be: 5-11 6-10. I could not predict how utterly incompetent our QB, HC and DBs would be.
Fix those 3 positions (and hope to stay healthey) ...and I think this team is competitive.
But....I did a thread recently on what the Best HC/QB combinations in history were, and what the worst were.
And does anyone here disagree that the Hue Jackson/DeShone Kizer HC/QB combination may be the worst in NFL history?
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Everyone has a euphemism, saying, or pet peeve that they think will fix the Browns. The guy who posted that it takes a lot of failures to contribute to this mess really hit the nail on the head. We have been bashing each other on the head for some time now, and even with some of the suggested changes being made, the outcome is different.
Whether it is poor talent, bad coaching, bad management, morale, discipline, ownership, play calling, attitude, or something else, the Cleveland Browns are a monumental disaster. Sadly, not one of us can make any single change, and as much as we think Dorsey is/isn't the right guy, none of us really have enough inside information to make a sensible analysis of this team.
In my mind, it is hard for me to see how 2018 will be much different, especially if Hue is the coach. His shortcomings have been shown for 2 years now, Dorkey's hiring won't change that. Likewise, Dorkey is not going to add new talent to substantially impact our roster. Unless he unloads everyone a al Chuck Nolte..........
There is just something weird going on with the Browns. How in the fukck can one team continually make monumental mistakes while playing good enough to be in a winning position? How many fumbles can you have while crossing in for a touchdown? This isn't anger inducing............we are the fukcking Rubiks Hube of the NFL.
Everyone has a euphemism, saying, or pet peeve that they think will fix the Browns. The guy who posted that it takes a lot of failures to contribute to this mess really hit the nail on the head. We have been bashing each other on the head for some time now, and even with some of the suggested changes being made, the outcome is different.
Whether it is poor talent, bad coaching, bad management, morale, discipline, ownership, play calling, attitude, or something else, the Cleveland Browns are a monumental disaster. Sadly, not one of us can make any single change, and as much as we think Dorsey is/isn't the right guy, none of us really have enough inside information to make a sensible analysis of this team.
In my mind, it is hard for me to see how 2018 will be much different, especially if Hue is the coach. His shortcomings have been shown for 2 years now, Dorkey's hiring won't change that. Likewise, Dorkey is not going to add new talent to substantially impact our roster. Unless he unloads everyone a al Chuck Nolte..........
There is just something weird going on with the Browns. How in the fukck can one team continually make monumental mistakes while playing good enough to be in a winning position? How many fumbles can you have while crossing in for a touchdown? This isn't anger inducing............we are the fukcking Rubiks Hube of the NFL.
I prefer to think on the positive side. We are the poster boys for bringing back the old "Football Follies", but this time it stars only one team with maybe occasion guest appearances with other teams who emulate our very best of the best. The fumble Sunday as he was trying to get in to score would qualify. Or the pitch-out option play earlier in the season would be there as well. Someone should be able to view all 31 of our losses these past two years and come up with dozens of screw-ups that would give us a half hour program every week throughout the off season. It is just absolutely uncanny.
EDIT: And we can include in the follies the coaching clock, timeout and play mismanagement of Baby Huey a.k.a. 8 ball.
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