Tabor On The Move
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Sure, I'll meet you in the middle on some of that stuff. My point here is that Tabor has demonstrated that even with below average talent he could muster a ST unit in the top half of the league or better. It's critically important to realize as well that Tabor is going to have extremely minimal say on roster decisions, so he's stuck with the guys he has. My point here is that while ST ranks have been down, so has the franchise.
Some will fall on the coaches, I'm not going to sit there and say it doesn't. But I'm also going to have faith in a coach who has proven results on below average teams that a few "down" years will accompany managing a unit of backups for two seasons combining in one win.
Did you say this about talent back in 2009 after our 2008 draft didn't begin until round 3 (netting only 1 keeper - Rubin) while Savage traded away all but 4 picks scheduled for the 2009 draft? That said, our STs units in 2009 and 2010 were much better respected and higher ranked than this in spite of losing our well paid FA punter to IR. Wasn't it fun to watch a return unit that at least posed the threat of scoring a TD? And how often did we have to worry about our return team getting flagged back then?
Not for nothing, the worst thing we can do to all these QBs landing on the t-shirt is to have our return units repeatedly flagged for holding or blocking in the back. Impact? Instead of starting a drive somewhere near our own 20, we start somewhere near the 10. And, when it's the same guys being lazy, out-of-position and taking shortcuts - TABOR decides who plays or sits on his unit. The fanny pats and rah rahs were falling on deaf ears.
As for surviving all of these regime changes under the Haslam criteria, YES Tabor was Haslam's lone example of continuity all the way up to retaining his HC with a 1-31 record. If he was the only continuity - shouldn't this 3rd of the game been the portion that improved? And when we're getting first dibs off the waiver wire and/or landing experienced NFL ST players like Coates - there's been some opportunities for Tabor that just fell through the cracks.
While you excuse Tabor for not having any say in personnel decisions - we drafted the Lou Groza Award Winner for being college football's best place kicker in 2016 and being perfect on all FGs over 50 yards. Hard guy to coach? We also signed Colquitt in the last 2 years for 5.7 million $ after we spent all kinds of cake on FA punter Andy Lee before that. In the last 2 years we drafted 2 different guys that excelled as return specialists in college football (Peppers and Coleman). Peppers looked like he regressed significantly at fielding punts. Before that, we had Travis Benjamin. And if Benjamin got hurt, instead of looking to a speedy guy like Taylor Gabriel - Tabor kept using Poyer. Suffice it to say, it's been a while since we looked forward to watching our return unit take the field. Speaking of which, a previous ST Coordinator once had to find a replacement for Northcutt in the return game. The poor ST Coordinator had to look to an undrafted Josh Cribbs who never returned punts or kickoffs in college. And can you believe Cribbs not only replaced Northcutt but he UPGRADED him? That coach could have just concluded "I don't have any talent to work with"; but he preferred the "no guts no glory" approach. It takes balls to win in this league - not maxi pads...
If I hadn't seen better results from previous ST Coordinators on some of our other losing teams this side of 1999, I might have been more inclined to consider more of your points. Again, our return unit used to be a scoring opportunity under previous ST Coordinators on losing teams this side of 99. Have we returned a punt or a KO for a TD in the last 2 years? I don't remember any other 2 year droughts in this area.
Did you say this about talent back in 2009 after our 2008 draft didn't begin until round 3 (netting only 1 keeper - Rubin) while Savage traded away all but 4 picks scheduled for the 2009 draft? That said, our STs units in 2009 and 2010 were much better respected and higher ranked than this in spite of losing our well paid FA punter to IR. Wasn't it fun to watch a return unit that at least posed the threat of scoring a TD? And how often did we have to worry about our return team getting flagged back then?
Not for nothing, the worst thing we can do to all these QBs landing on the t-shirt is to have our return units repeatedly flagged for holding or blocking in the back. Impact? Instead of starting a drive somewhere near our own 20, we start somewhere near the 10. And, when it's the same guys being lazy, out-of-position and taking shortcuts - TABOR decides who plays or sits on his unit. The fanny pats and rah rahs were falling on deaf ears.
As for surviving all of these regime changes under the Haslam criteria, YES Tabor was Haslam's lone example of continuity all the way up to retaining his HC with a 1-31 record. If he was the only continuity - shouldn't this 3rd of the game been the portion that improved? And when we're getting first dibs off the waiver wire and/or landing experienced NFL ST players like Coates - there's been some opportunities for Tabor that just fell through the cracks.
While you excuse Tabor for not having any say in personnel decisions - we drafted the Lou Groza Award Winner for being college football's best place kicker in 2016 and being perfect on all FGs over 50 yards. Hard guy to coach? We also signed Colquitt in the last 2 years for 5.7 million $ after we spent all kinds of cake on FA punter Andy Lee before that. In the last 2 years we drafted 2 different guys that excelled as return specialists in college football (Peppers and Coleman). Peppers looked like he regressed significantly at fielding punts. Before that, we had Travis Benjamin. And if Benjamin got hurt, instead of looking to a speedy guy like Taylor Gabriel - Tabor kept using Poyer. Suffice it to say, it's been a while since we looked forward to watching our return unit take the field. Speaking of which, a previous ST Coordinator once had to find a replacement for Northcutt in the return game. The poor ST Coordinator had to look to an undrafted Josh Cribbs who never returned punts or kickoffs in college. And can you believe Cribbs not only replaced Northcutt but he UPGRADED him? That coach could have just concluded "I don't have any talent to work with"; but he preferred the "no guts no glory" approach. It takes balls to win in this league - not maxi pads...
If I hadn't seen better results from previous ST Coordinators on some of our other losing teams this side of 1999, I might have been more inclined to consider more of your points. Again, our return unit used to be a scoring opportunity under previous ST Coordinators on losing teams this side of 99. Have we returned a punt or a KO for a TD in the last 2 years? I don't remember any other 2 year droughts in this area.
...the problem here is that we're talking in circles. You can always draw to *insert play here* and say it was a bad decision, and hell it probably was. You can state a coach can have no guts no glory but I'm just amazed you can overlook the absolute void of talent on the team the past few years. The part I bolded is where you're still missing the point. You directly state Tabor "fell through the cracks" on ST players but I repeat, he has no, or at best a tiny amount, of decision making. What exactly do you want him to do then? Do you seriously want him to make Sammy God damn Coates into some ST superstar? Come on.
In the years you're mentioning with Grabriel I've already noted with facts and data he was above average in terms of ST ranks, despite having below average talent. The last two years have we returned a kick? Dude, have you been watching the Browns? You expect a team that won ONE game in two years to produce on special teams, a unit comprised of back-ups on this very team?
If you're going to ignore the facts, that's fine. But Tabor is a good coach and there's a reason he got scooped up by a more competent organization than the Browns.
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maybe closing in on a ST's hiring https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/1/18/16907502/report-browns-to-hire-amos-jones-as-special-teams-coordinator
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maybe closing in on a ST's hiring https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/1/18/16907502/report-browns-to-hire-amos-jones-as-special-teams-coordinator
maybe closing in on a ST's hiring https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/1/18/16907502/report-browns-to-hire-amos-jones-as-special-teams-coordinator
cool bring phil with him
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247sports.com now reporting as "Hired".. Amos seems to have a solid college background starting with the Bear at Bama..NFL..Steelers & Zona..27 years in the coaching business & played the game..no attachments to Hue's coaching twig..(tree,bush,shrub,chi-a pet
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247sports.com now reporting as "Hired".. Amos seems to have a solid college background starting with the Bear at Bama..NFL..Steelers & Zona..27 years in the coaching business & played the game..no attachments to Hue's coaching twig..(tree,bush,shrub,chi-a pet
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