Bortles, Foles and Keenum
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None of the three franchises have ever won a Super Bowl.
Obviously, Foles not > McNabb, Keenum not > than Tarkenton, and Bortles not > than Brunell in his prime ... but now it's "look you can win a SB without a franchise QB".
Throw Philly out, they won their games with Wentz ... Foles won one home playoff game in which he scored 15 points.
Minnesota and Jax are classic teams that win with defense with an occasional magic on offense ... 2000 Ravens, 2002 Buccaneers, 1986 Bears, all four of the Giants SBs, the first two Steeler SBs etc ... But they are all still two games away.
For one of these QBs to win, they are going to have to beat another great defensive team AND slay Brady & Belichick (or two great defensive teams) which will be an outstanding accomplishment ... But I still wouldn't want any of these three guys for the Browns moving forward because IMO they don't have the makings of a QB that can carry a franchise ... they are just good enough to be in the right place at the right time.
Trent Dilfer won a SB, which two games further than these guys have gotten, and then he came to Cleveland and won 4 games with Cleveland talent.
Build the great defense, find the great running game ... but never settle at the QB position. Which is why the Dilfers, Johnsons and Hostetlers were all soon replaced in the continuous search for a "real" QB.
Zombo
Zombo said:
None of the three franchises have ever won a Super Bowl.
Obviously, Foles not > McNabb, Keenum not > than Tarkenton, and Bortles not > than Brunell in his prime ... but now it's "look you can win a SB without a franchise QB".
Throw Philly out, they won their games with Wentz ... Foles won one home playoff game in which he scored 15 points.
Minnesota and Jax are classic teams that win with defense with an occasional magic on offense ... 2000 Ravens, 2002 Buccaneers, 1986 Bears, all four of the Giants SBs, the first two Steeler SBs etc ... But they are all still two games away.
For one of these QBs to win, they are going to have to beat another great defensive team AND slay Brady & Belichick (or two great defensive teams) which will be an outstanding accomplishment ... But I still wouldn't want any of these three guys for the Browns moving forward because IMO they don't have the makings of a QB that can carry a franchise ... they are just good enough to be in the right place at the right time.
Trent Dilfer won a SB, which two games further than these guys have gotten, and then he came to Cleveland and won 4 games with Cleveland talent.
Build the great defense, find the great running game ... but never settle at the QB position. Which is why the Dilfers, Johnsons and Hostetlers were all soon replaced in the continuous search for a "real" QB.
Zombo
Zombo-the Ghoolie doppelganger of opposite belief. I approve.
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Foles is a bit of a misnomer because he took over a team built all season on the true franchise dude.
Say what you will about Bortles, but he looked pretty damn good when it mattered Sunday. Exact same with Keenum.
Man, the potential names available for a veteran QB are going to be very interesting this year.
Brady's unreal... he's so nimble in the pocket, yet can be timed with a sundial in full gallop.
The Pat's started slow, but after the first couple weeks their D came together. You don't have issues "most of the season" and end up the #5 scoring Defense.
Foles is a bit of a misnomer because he took over a team built all season on the true franchise dude.
And yet the Iggles did not collapse. Why is that?
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None of the three are. All 3 have good defenses and solid running game
None of the three are. All 3 have good defenses and solid running game
Bortles and Foles are horrible. Keenum is a Brian Sipe type playmaker.
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Brady's unreal... he's so nimble in the pocket, yet can be timed with a sundial in full gallop.
The Pat's started slow, but after the first couple weeks their D came together. You don't have issues "most of the season" and end up the #5 scoring Defense.
Foles is a bit of a misnomer because he took over a team built all season on the true franchise dude.
And yet the Iggles did not collapse. Why is that?
Brady's unreal... he's so nimble in the pocket, yet can be timed with a sundial in full gallop.
The Pat's started slow, but after the first couple weeks their D came together. You don't have issues "most of the season" and end up the #5 scoring Defense.
And yet the Iggles did not collapse. Why is that?
one could say the offense at leasthas mostly collapsed. They've played 4 games. In 2 of those games the offense was beyond dreadful. In the most recent game they scored 15 pts and although the final offensive stats were not terrible in terms of efficiency the offense was clearly incredibly limited.
the team is 3-1 because the defense held the falcons to 10 pts and the raiders to 6 or whatever it was.
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