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WEEK 15 - TOP 25 RANKINGS - HEISMAN TROPHY -plus- ARMY/NAVY and BOWL PREDICTIONS.

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  • @mld-woody said:

    Top teams deserve it. Regular season needs to mean something

    NO they do not. They do NOT do it in any other division in football at any level down to high school. They don't even do it in baseball or basketball.

    Do it right, 8 to start.....or should we say catch up with the world, there is growing support for it.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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    @mjp28 said:

    NO they do not. They do NOT do it in any other division in football at any level down to high school. They don't even do it in baseball or basketball.

    Do it right, 8 to start.....or should we say catch up with the world, there is growing support for it.

    The college football we're talking about here is NOT D3 ball...

  • Had the opportunity for UCF to play UF for the state of Florida and for Michigan to play LSU, two storied programs that have never played before

    Instead we're going to play Florida for the 3rd time in 4 years

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @mld-woody said:

    Had the opportunity for UCF to play UF for the state of Florida and for Michigan to play LSU, two storied programs that have never played before

    Instead we're going to play Florida for the 3rd time in 4 years

    Who makes these decisions on bowl matchups is it the bowls or do the schools have a lot of say

  • 6 team playoff

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @mld-woody said:

    6 team playoff

    8

  • @mld-woody said:

    Had the opportunity for UCF to play UF for the state of Florida and for Michigan to play LSU, two storied programs that have never played before

    Instead we're going to play Florida for the 3rd time in 4 years

    Who makes these decisions on bowl matchups is it the bowls or do the schools have a lot of say

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Who makes these decisions on bowl matchups is it the bowls or do the schools have a lot of say

    I don't think the schools get a say. The bowls want the most lucrative matchups.

    That's why you'll see big name teams getting placed higher than they should to get the top matchup. Happened a lot with Michigan during RRod and Hoke.

  • @mjp28 said:

    NO they do not. They do NOT do it in any other division in football at any level down to high school. They don't even do it in baseball or basketball.

    Do it right, 8 to start.....or should we say catch up with the world, there is growing support for it.

    The college football we're talking about here is NOT D3 ball...

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @mld-woody said:

    The college football we're talking about here is NOT D3 ball...

    D-1AA, D-II, D-III, NAIA, high school, peewee, somewhat MLB, NBA basically most all sports everywhere uses logical playoffs.

    It took D-1A forever to move away from the stone age mythical championships, 4 teams was poor they should have done 8 teams before.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Had the opportunity for UCF to play UF for the state of Florida and for Michigan to play LSU, two storied programs that have never played before

    Instead we're going to play Florida for the 3rd time in 4 years

    Who makes these decisions on bowl matchups is it the bowls or do the schools have a lot of say

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Who makes these decisions on bowl matchups is it the bowls or do the schools have a lot of say

    Most all of this is now predetermined and the schools, fans, media whomever do not get any choice in the matter. Too bad some good matchups will never happen.

    ......The teams that participate in the National Collegiate Athletic Association's Division I Football Bowl Subdivision earn the right to compete in a series of post-season games called bowl games. As of 2017, there are 40 bowl games (not counting the College Football Playoff National Championship), and all are contractually obligated to offer bids to specific conferences, a situation known as a "tie-in". The "top" six bowl games ("New Year's Six") in the nation select their teams as part of the College Football Playoff (CFP), which was put into place for a minimum of 12 years, beginning with the 2014 season. Prior to 2014, the top five games in the country were chosen under the system known as the Bowl Championship Series. The bowls outside of the CFP, have individual contracts with the conferences to offer preferential bids to teams from those conferences. As long as teams are bowl eligible, they may be selected by these bowls to meet these contracts.......

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    Oh the HEISMAN coming up this week, three quarterbacks one from OHIO STATE!

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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    From SB Nation.....  https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/12/3/18124631/heisman-trophy-finalists-2018

    Heisman drama? Finally.

    ESPN announced three finalists for the Heisman Trophy on Monday: Alabama quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray, and Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins.

    There’s no set number of finalists that get to go to New York every year. The number is always at least three, but whether it’s more than that depends on how close the voting was, and this is the crew voters have settled on.

    Finalist snubs include Washington State QB Gardner Minshew, West Virginia QB Will Grier, Memphis running back Darrell Henderson, and every defender or lineman in the country.

    Either Murray or Tagovailoa will be your winner, though.

    From the early weeks of the season until recently, Tagovailoa was widely considered the runaway winner.

    He started putting up absurd numbers right away for the best team in the country. Every single Bama game until November featured between two and four passing TDs by Tagovailoa, him averaging at least 10.6 yards per throw with no interceptions, and Nick Saban taking him out in the second half in granting mercy to the other team.

    Those early hooks meant Tagovailoa was getting way fewer touches per game than previous Heisman-winning QBs, but his performances were so bonkers that he stacked up well against them anyway. Tagovailoa put up better numbers in his first six games than any of those Heisman QBs ever put up in their best six games if someone cherry-picked them.........CONTINUED IN LINK.....

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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    PN Experts' PolESESPN

    Dec. 3, 201
    Name Position School Year 1st Total
    Kyler Murray QB Oklahoma Jr. 6 46
    Tua Tagovailoa QB Alabama Soph. 4 44
    Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State Soph. 0 29
    Will Grier QB West Virginia Sr. 0 16
    Darrell Henderson RB Memphis Jr. 0 4
    Gardner Minshew QB Washington State Sr. 0 4
    Jonathan Taylor RB Wisconsin Soph. 0 3
    Travis Etienne RB Clemson Soph. 0 2
    Quinnen Williams DL Alabama Soph. 0 2

    ESPN experts: Andrea Adelson, Joel Anderson, Edward Aschoff, Kyle Bonagura, David M. Hale, Chris Low, Ivan Maisel, Adam Rittenberg, Mark Schlabach and Jake Trotter

    From ESPN expert's poll.....

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    Well the BUCKEYE is a long shot......

    Here’s a look at the oddsboard with the Heisman Trophy being awarded this Saturday:

    2018 HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER ODDS
    Player Odds
    Kyler Murray (QB Oklahoma) -190
    Tua Tagovailoa (QB Alabama) +150
    Dwayne Haskins (QB Ohio State) +6000

    Odds as of December 4 at Bovada

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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    Oh just curious how many of you will watch the ARMY/NAVY Game Saturday Dec. 8, 2018 at 3 pm on CBS?  I never miss it maybe somewhat out of respect for my dad and father-in-law or others like him or my desire (pipe dream) in high school to possibly try for Annapolis and take my 5' 10" 185 lb. frame to try out for the football team.

    My dad was a WWII and Korea vet as chief electrican on the BB-62 NEW JERSEY, my in law a WWII Army master sergeant and I've always watched and followed NAVY.

    A knee injury in 1966 my junior year pretty much eliminated any serious D-1A football ambitions in that realm so I just went to YSU and workdd in the mills to get through college. 

    Just a few notes on the game:

    A historic rivalry will renew for the 119th time when Army and Navysquare off on Saturday afternoon. The game will take place at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia and will be broadcast live on CBS at 3 p.m. ET. No. 22 Army is a seven-point favorite in the latest Army vs. Navy odds thanks to an impressive 9-2 season, while Navy has stumbled to a 3-9 record. The total is down to 40 after originally opening at 42. Even with these two programs moving in opposite directions, you can expect this to be a physical battle with plenty of ground-and-pound on offense. So before you make any Army vs. Navy picks and predictions, you'll want to see what SportsLine's advanced computer model is picking. ........

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    A little NAVY and college and pro football history, Roger Staubach:

    After one year at New Mexico Military Institute in Roswell, Staubach entered the U.S. Naval Academy in 1961 and played quarterback for the Midshipmen. As a third-class midshipman (sophomore) in 1962, he got his first opportunity to play in the third game of the season, against the University of Minnesota on October 6. He relieved starter Ron Klemick as the Minnesota defense, led by Bobby Bell and Carl Eller, was stifling in its 21–0 victory. Staubach was 0–2 passing and was sacked twice for -24 yards.

    A week later, against Cornell University, with the offense failing, Hall of Fame coach Wayne Hardin decided to put Staubach into the game to see if he could improve the team's offense. He led Navy to six touchdowns, throwing for 99 yards and two touchdowns while running for 88 yards and another score as Navy won 41–0.[6]

    A few weeks later, Staubach started again in the famed Army–Navy game, which featured president John F. Kennedy (himself a former naval officer), who just 37 days earlier had negotiated the end of the Cuban Missile Crisis, performing the coin toss. Staubach led the team to a 34–14 upset over Army, throwing for two touchdowns and running for another.

    In his second class (junior) season of 1963, he won the Heisman Trophy, Maxwell Award, and the Walter Camp Memorial Trophy[7] while leading the Midshipmen to a 9–1 regular season record and a final ranking of No. 2 in the nation. He appeared on the cover of Time in October; he would also have been on the cover of Life magazine's November 29, 1963 issue, but for the assassination of President Kennedy.[8][9]

    On New Year's Day, the Midshipmen lost the national championship to No. 1 team the University of Texas in the 1964 Cotton Bowl. Earlier that season, Staubach led Navy to a 35–14 road victory in its annual rivalry with Notre Dame.[10] Navy did not beat Notre Dame again until 2007, 44 years later.......

  • Oh just curious how many of you will watch the ARMY/NAVY Game Saturday Dec. 8, 2018 at 3 pm on CBS?  I never miss it maybe somewhat out of respect for my dad and father-in-law or others like him or my desire (pipe dream) in high school to possibly try for Annapolis and take my 5' 10" 185 lb. frame to try out for the football team.

    My dad was a WWII and Korea vet as chief electrican on the BB-62 NEW JERSEY, my in law a WWII Army master sergeant and I've always watched and followed NAVY.

    A knee injury in 1966 my junior year pretty much eliminated any serious D-1A football ambitions in that realm so I just went to YSU and workdd in the mills to get through college. 

    Just a few notes on the game:

    A historic rivalry will renew for the 119th time when Army and Navysquare off on Saturday afternoon. The game will take place at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia and will be broadcast live on CBS at 3 p.m. ET. No. 22 Army is a seven-point favorite in the latest Army vs. Navy odds thanks to an impressive 9-2 season, while Navy has stumbled to a 3-9 record. The total is down to 40 after originally opening at 42. Even with these two programs moving in opposite directions, you can expect this to be a physical battle with plenty of ground-and-pound on offense. So before you make any Army vs. Navy picks and predictions, you'll want to see what SportsLine's advanced computer model is picking. ........

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @mjp28 said:

    Oh just curious how many of you will watch the ARMY/NAVY Game Saturday Dec. 8, 2018 at 3 pm on CBS?  I never miss it maybe somewhat out of respect for my dad and father-in-law or others like him or my desire (pipe dream) in high school to possibly try for Annapolis and take my 5' 10" 185 lb. frame to try out for the football team.

    Anybody here going to watch it?   Bowl games start next Saturday. 

    GO COLLEGE FOOTBALL, can't beat it.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    If the Oklahoma quarterback wins it this year the Heisman that is in the Oklahoma quarterback won it last year then what the award is really doing is awarding the system and not the playersI. 

  • If the Oklahoma quarterback wins it this year the Heisman that is in the Oklahoma quarterback won it last year then what the award is really doing is awarding the system and not the playersI. 

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    If the Oklahoma quarterback wins it this year the Heisman that is in the Oklahoma quarterback won it last year then what the award is really doing is awarding the system and not the playersI. 

    That's why there are many, many other awards this one just gets the most single attention.

    For example:

    2018 Award Winners
    AWARD PLAYER SCHOOL
    Chuck Bednarik Award Josh Allen Kentucky
    Davey O'Brien Award Kyler Murray Oklahoma
    Dick Butkus Award Devin White LSU
    Doak Walker Award Jonathan Taylor Wisconsin
    Fred Biletnikoff Award Jerry Jeudy Alabama
    Jim Thorpe Award Deandre Baker Georgia
    John Mackey Award T.J. Hockenson Iowa
    Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award Gardner Minshew Washington St
    Lou Groza Award Andre Szmyt Syracuse
    Maxwell Award Tua Tagovailoa Alabama
    Bronko Nagurski Award Josh Allen Kentucky
    Outland Trophy Quinnen Williams Alabama
    Ray Guy Award Braden Mann Texas A&M
    Walter Camp Award Tua Tagovailoa Alabama
    Ted Hendricks Award Clelin Ferrell Clemson
    Rimington Trophy Garrett Bradbury NC State
    The Home Depot Award Brian Kelly Notre Dame
    Campbell Trophy Christian Wilkins Clemson
    Frank Broyles Award Mike Anthony Locksley Maryland
    Paul Hornung Award Rondale Moore Purdue
    Disney Spirit Award Tyler Trent Purdue
    Wuerffel Trophy Drue Tranquill Notre Dame
  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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    Army 10 Navy 0 4th 11:40 left.

    Last time Navy was shutout 

    70 November 29, 1969 Philadelphia, PA Army 27 Navy 0 Army 34–30–6
  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    ...... and Navy fumbles at the 5, d'oh. 9:22 left Army punts.

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    Army 10 Navy 7 with 7:10 left.  Exciting, huh. 😳

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    So I am right it is just a system award now. Maybe it should be given to the coach there at Oklahoma and not to the players