California Proposition 8
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Most Calif. blacks backed proposition 8
53 percent of Latinos also supported the gay-marriage ban
High black voter turnout helped pass Prop 8
Nov. 6: California voters narrowly approved a measure to ban same-sex marriage, reversing a court decision in May that allowed it. NBC's Pete Williams reports.
LOS ANGELES, Nov. 6 - Any notion that Tuesday's election represented a liberal juggernaut must overcome a detail from the voting booths of California: The same voters who turned out strongest for Barack Obama also drove a stake through the heart of same-sex marriage.
Seven in 10 African Americans who went to the polls voted yes on Proposition 8, the ballot measure overruling a state Supreme Court judgment that legalized same-sex marriage and brought 18,000 gay and lesbian couples to Golden State courthouses in the past six months.
Similar measures passed easily in Florida and Arizona. It was closer in California, but no ethnic group anywhere rejected the sanctioning of same-sex unions as emphatically as the state's black voters, according to exit polls. Fifty-three percent of Latinos also backed Proposition 8, overcoming the bare majority of white Californians who voted to let the court ruling stand.
The outcome that placed two pillars of the Democratic coalition -- minorities and gays -- at opposite ends of an emotional issue sparked street protests in Los Angeles and a candlelight vigil in San Francisco. To gay rights advocates, the issue was one of civil rights. Attorney General Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown Jr. reworded the ballot language to state that a yes vote was a vote to "eliminate the rights of same-sex couples to marry."
That appeal ran head-on into a well-funded and well-framed advertising campaign in favor of the ban -- and the deeply ingrained religious beliefs of an African American community that largely declined to see the issue through a prism of equality.
"I think it's mainly because of the way we were brought up in the church; we don't agree with it," said Jasmine Jones, 25, who is black. "I'm not really the type that I wanted to stop people's rights. But I still have my beliefs, and if I can vote my beliefs that's what I'm going to do.
"God doesn't approve it, so I don't approve it. And I approve of Him."
The overwhelming rejection of same-sex marriage by black voters was surprising and disappointing to gay rights advocates who had hoped that African Americans would empathize with their struggle.
"I wasn't surprised by the Latinos," said Steve Smith, senior consultant for No on 8. "Basically, Latinos and the Anglo population were fairly close. The outlier of the proposition was African Americans. Many are churchgoing; many had ministers tell them to vote."
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"I wasn't surprised by the Latinos," said Steve Smith, senior consultant for No on 8. "Basically, Latinos and the Anglo population were fairly close. The outlier of the proposition was African Americans. Many are churchgoing; many had ministers tell them to vote."This isn't race-baiting but, I feel, is a fair question: why does this demographic get a pass when some crazies in CA are blaming a handfull of Mormons?
Doesn't that seem a bit weird?
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Doesn't that seem a bit weird?Blaming the Mormons is a) a bit over-the-top and
turned my 8 minute commute home yesterday into an hour.But, crazies are crazies, John. Who knows why they think as they do.
I believe nobody should "get a pass."
So you don't believe Randy Edsall should let up against Syracuse next Saturday night - in a game with BCS Bowl implications?
ESPNU
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I am hoping Randy Edsall (literally and figuratively) rips Greg Robinson's throat out, does the same to Daryl Gross, and then, as he is wading through their blood, has Nancy Cantor offer him the glowing briefcase in Pulp Fiction if he'll agree to be our next coach.
I'm not sure he would break his UCONN contract to go to a team in the same Conference. That would probably be a 'no no'.
I still believe SU should go hard after Turner Gill. Winter in Syracuse is better than winter in Buffalo!
Gill should be in their crosshairs, IMHO.
Basically, The Big East is a 'stepping stone' conference for coaches. It will probably take some time for this to change - if ever.
Those basketball only schools make the entire conference a tough sell for football.
I believe Tranghese is done this year. I hope they can bring in a football guy. Basketball is pretty healthy so there is no need to bring in a guy like that.
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The Big East Conference is dying, football-wise. At least, when we had teams in Florida (sorry, USF, you barely count, even though you're a decent program) and the South, we'd get some Southern exposure, and that's where a ton of good players come from. When you're recruiting in New England and Upstate NY, this is the conference you get.
I'm with you 100% on the Turner Gill thang. Problem is, our AD is a moron.
Did you see we hired a "search firm" to aid in the hiring of the new coach? Pathetic.
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Question, mz the pussy:
What 'rights' do married couples have that civil union couples don't have?
This is an honest questions with no hidden agenda.
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Question, mz the pussy:What 'rights' do married couples have that civil union couples don't have?
This is an honest questions with no hidden agenda.
What differences were there in the black schools than in the whites schools prior to Brown v. Board?
I am not saying that civil unions are like the black schools in that they are not worth as much, just that the supreme court ruled that separate but equal is unconstitutional.
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Question, mz the pussy:What 'rights' do married couples have that civil union couples don't have?
This is an honest questions with no hidden agenda.
I'm no attorney, so I had to do a search. Yes, I cut-and-pasted this article from something called "Lesbian Life" on about.com, so if you're homophobic, fellas, avert your eyes...
http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htmThe Difference between Gay Marriage and Civil Unions
by Kathy Belge
You hear the politicians saying it all the time. “I support Civil Unions, but not gay marriage.” What exactly does this mean? Some even say they support equal rights for gays and lesbians, but not gay marriage. Is this possible? And why do gays and lesbians want marriage so badly when they can have civil unions?
First of all, What is Marriage? When people marry, they tend to do so for reasons of love and commitment. But marriage is also a legal status, which comes with rights and responsibilities. Marriage establishes a legal kinship between you and your spouse. It is a relationship that is recognized across cultures, countries and religions.
What is a Civil Union? Civil Unions exist in only a handful of places: Vermont, New Jersey and Connecticut. California and Oregon have domestic partnership laws that offer many of the same rights as civil unions.
Vermont civil unions were created in 2000 to provide legal protections to gays and lesbians in relationships in that state because gay marriage is not an option. The protections do not extend beyond the border of Vermont and no federal protections are included with a Civil Union. Civil Unions offer some of the same rights and responsibilities as marriage, but only on a state level.
What about Domestic partnership? Some states and municipalities have domestic partnership registries, but no domestic partnership law is the same. Some, like the recently passed California domestic partnership law comes with many rights and responsibilities. Others, like the one in Washington, offer very few benefits to the couple.
What are some of the differences between Civil Unions and Gay Marriage?
Recognition in other states: Even though each state has its own laws around marriage, if someone is married in one state and moves to another, their marriage is legally recognized. For example, Oregon marriage law applies to people 17 and over. In Washington state, the couple must be 18 to wed. However, Washington will recognize the marriage of two 17 year olds from Oregon who move there. This is not the case with Civil Unions. If someone has a Civil Union in Vermont, that union is not recognized in any other state. As a matter of fact, two states, Connecticut and Georgia, have ruled that they do not have to recognize civil unions performed in Vermont, because their states have no such legal category. As gay marriages become legal in other states, this status may change.
Dissolving a Civil Union v. Divorce:
Vermont has no residency requirement for Civil Unions. That means two people from any other state or country can come there and have a civil union ceremony. If the couple breaks up and wishes to dissolve the union, one of them must be a resident of Vermont for one year before the Civil Union can be dissolved in family court. Married couples can divorce in any state they reside, no matter where they were married.
Immigration:
A United States citizen who is married can sponsor his or her non-American spouse for immigration into this country. Those with Civil Unions have no such privilege.
Taxes:
Civil Unions are not recognized by the federal government, so couples would not be able to file joint-tax returns or be eligible for tax breaks or protections the government affords to married couples.
Benefits:
The General Accounting Office in 1997 released a list of 1,049 benefits and protections available to heterosexual married couples. These benefits range from federal benefits, such as survivor benefits through Social Security, sick leave to care for ailing partner, tax breaks, veterans benefits and insurance breaks. They also include things like family discounts, obtaining family insurance through your employer, visiting your spouse in the hospital and making medical decisions if your partner is unable to. Civil Unions protect some of these rights, but not all of them.
But can’t a lawyer set all this up for gay and lesbian couples?
No. A lawyer can set up some things like durable power of attorney, wills and medical power of attorney. There are several problems with this, however.
1. It costs thousands of dollars in legal fees. A simple marriage license, which usually costs under $100 would cover all the same rights and benefits.
2. Any of these can be challenged in court. As a matter of fact, more wills are challenged than not. In the case of wills, legal spouses always have more legal power than any other family member.
3. Marriage laws are universal. If someone’s husband or wife is injured in an accident, all you need to do is show up and say you’re his or her spouse. You will not be questioned. If you show up at the hospital with your legal paperwork, the employees may not know what to do with you. If you simply say, "He's my husband," you will immediately be taken to your spouse's side.
Defense of Marriage Law
Even with lesbian and gay marriages being performed and recognized in some states, the Federal Defense of Marriage Law prohibits the federal government from recognizing gay and lesbian relationships. This puts gay and lesbian couples who are married in a legal limbo. How do they file their tax returns? Do they have to pay the tax on their partner’s health insurance? How do they fill out legal and other forms, single or married?
Creating Civil Unions creates a separate and unequal status for some of America’s citizens. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial court ruled that creating a separate class for gay and lesbian citizens is not permissible and that is why they have voted that only marriage equals marriage. The precedent was set with Brown v. The Board of Education regarding segregation in public education. Ironically, Massachusetts marriage law went into effect on the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education.
The United States Constitution guarantees equality for all. As you can see, marriage and civil unions are not the same. Creating equal access to marriage is the only fair way to ensure equality for gay and straight couples alike.
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cmon were tired of hereing about your sick love affair of same sex freaks!I asked the question, T, so I guess you should blame me for reserrecting (sp) this issue.
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cmon were tired of hereing about your sick love affair of same sex freaks!At least it's a topic of conversation, unlike the bullshit nobody reads that you sling here every day.
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why cant they just live together?Probbaly the most ridiculous take I've seen on here. Read up on something besides Bat Boy.
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well lets see 70% voted against it, that sounds promising there are still conservative thinkers out there.
by the way if there are less than 2% homos, why should we have to put up with all there desires?
People dont want homo sex taught to there children. they want to see grandchildren not there son or daughter on the cover of time magazine showing a picture of there kids on a homo float during a gay parade.
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Traditional marriage supporter assualted in California
Submitted by Drew McKissick on October 21, 2008 - 4:53am. Religious Rights Watch Gay Agenda gay marriage
As mentioned previously, the folks supporting passage of the state marriage amendment in California, (proposition 8), which would define marriage as one man and one woman, have gained a good bit of momentum and support in the past several weeks...and their opposition has actually been helpful.
Well now we see some in the pro gay-marriage crowd are actually turning violent as they get desperate. From OneNewsNow:
A Proposition 8 volunteer in California was recently assaulted, evidently because he supports the proposed state constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
The victim, Jose Nunez, was preparing to place Prop. 8 lawn signs when the attack happened. Chip White, a spokesman for the "Yes on 8" campaign, explains what happened.
"The attacker grabbed about 75 signs, [then] yelled at Mr. Nunez [asking] 'what do you have against gays?' And Mr. Nunez replied that he had nothing against gays -- but he was attacked anyway." ...
Marriage amendment campaign gains steam in California
Submitted by Drew McKissick on October 14, 2008 - 1:48pm. Capitol Notebook Gay Agenda gay marriage
Although social/cultural issues are getting little (if any) attention whatsoever in the current presidential election, the campaign to defend traditional marriage rolls on in California, Florida (likely to pass) and Arizona this year via proposed state constitutional amendments.
To date, such amendments have passed over 30 states with an average of about 70% of the vote, only failing in one state (in Arizona in 2006 by a few points, largely due to a poorly drafted amendment).
California is obviously the state that everyone's had their eyes on, for several reasons. First, because it's the biggest state in the country; second, it's home to the epicenter of the gay-culture universe, San Francisco...not to mention Hollywood and third, this is the first time such an amendment has sought to overturn the damage already done by a state court (having ruled gay marriage legal in that state by a one vote margin of its Supreme Court).
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A Proposition 8 volunteer in California was recently assaulted, evidently because he supports the proposed state constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
Notice they don't have the balls to protest in the 'hood where the bulk of the anti gay brothers be staying.
WSS
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Bunker said:
THIS IS SICK!Montreal Promotes Tourism to Homosexuals with Ad Suggesting Public Sex
By Jonquil Frankham
MONTREAL, November 12, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Quebec's tourism industry has received a boost from a ten-year-old homosexual tourism campaign that now includes a new ad suggesting a homosexual sexual encounter on a major Montreal street in broad daylight.
The ad, called "Dave Does Montreal," has been viewed in excess of 13,000 times on YouTube.
The ad features a young man on a major Montreal street talking about tourism in the city.
“You know,” he says, “a lot of gay guys thing that Montreal’s all about the gay scene: hot guys, partying, cruising, pickups. But it’s actually a lot more than that.”
While “Dave” lists off the many other attractions to be had in the city besides anonymous homosexual sexual encounters, the horse-drawn, open-top tour-carriage behind him rocks suggestively. Two young men eventually step off the carriage behind Dave, adjusting their clothing, obviously implying that they had been having sex.
The online ad is expected to run for a month.
To contact the premier's office, phone 418 643-5321 or 514 873-3411, or go to: https://www.premier.gouv.qc.ca/premier-mini...nous-joindre....
With Gay's wanting to take over society, maybe the song 2525 was correct, remember the lyric "Pick your son, pick your daughter too, from the bottom of a long glass tube" (I think I quoted it correctly).
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Bunker said:
THIS IS SICK!Montreal Promotes Tourism to Homosexuals with Ad Suggesting Public Sex
By Jonquil Frankham
MONTREAL, November 12, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Quebec's tourism industry has received a boost from a ten-year-old homosexual tourism campaign that now includes a new ad suggesting a homosexual sexual encounter on a major Montreal street in broad daylight.
The ad, called "Dave Does Montreal," has been viewed in excess of 13,000 times on YouTube.
The ad features a young man on a major Montreal street talking about tourism in the city.
“You know,” he says, “a lot of gay guys thing that Montreal’s all about the gay scene: hot guys, partying, cruising, pickups. But it’s actually a lot more than that.”
While “Dave” lists off the many other attractions to be had in the city besides anonymous homosexual sexual encounters, the horse-drawn, open-top tour-carriage behind him rocks suggestively. Two young men eventually step off the carriage behind Dave, adjusting their clothing, obviously implying that they had been having sex.
The online ad is expected to run for a month.
To contact the premier's office, phone 418 643-5321 or 514 873-3411, or go to: https://www.premier.gouv.qc.ca/premier-mini...nous-joindre....
With Gay's wanting to take over society, maybe the song 2525 was correct, remember the lyric "Pick your son, pick your daughter too, from the bottom of a long glass tube" (I think I quoted it correctly).
With Gay's wanting to take over society, maybe the song 2525 was correct, remember the lyric "Pick your son, pick your daughter too, from the bottom of a long glass tube" (I think I quoted it correctly).
its a sad day that we have to be confronted with such behavior. call me old school. but there is no place in society for HomoSexual Rights. most of these creatures have been raped as children and they continue to do what was done to them. By all means queers are sick minded.
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With Gay's wanting to take over society, maybe the song 2525 was correct, remember the lyric "Pick your son, pick your daughter too, from the bottom of a long glass tube" (I think I quoted it correctly).
its a sad day that we have to be confronted with such behavior. call me old school. but there is no place in society for HomoSexual Rights. most of these creatures have been raped as children and they continue to do what was done to them. By all means queers are sick minded.
its a sad day that we have to be confronted with such behavior. call me old school. but there is no place in society for HomoSexual Rights. most of these creatures have been raped as children and they continue to do what was done to them. By all means queers are sick minded.
That has got to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard.
Actually, Mr. T, most sex crimes against children are perpetrated by straight males and most of those children turn out to be straight also.
Just because they are attracted to the same sex does not mean they are attracted to children. That's like saying that you are sexually attracted to young girls just because you like women.
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