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  • @dutch-oven said:

    He had a career record of 96-34-6 in the regular season. He went 9-1 in the postseason, leading the Green Bay Packers to the NFL Championship/Super Bowl in 1960, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966 and 1967. They won the last five. 

    But please, feel free to continue. 

    close to career Paul Brown was pre super bowl 159-80-5 in 244 games lombardi only coached 144 games also Brown did win 7 league championships  thats one more than that horse faced fuck Brown also won a national title while a coach in collage So wait goddamn thats another more title than lombrdi ever won

    also remember a thing called the west coast offense uummm jeez I wonder who came up with that ?

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @atom said:

    also remember a thing called the west coast offense uummm jeez I wonder who came up with that ?

    That would be Bill Walsh.

  • @atom said:

    also remember a thing called the west coast offense uummm jeez I wonder who came up with that ?

    That would be Bill Walsh.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    That would be Bill Walsh.

    No.  It was Paul Brown.   Walsh was an asst. coach for  PB with the Bengals...and most of Walsh's concepts were the same that  PB ran with Otto Graham.  And also...the name West Coast Offense was actually a creation of Bernie Kosar. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    That would be Bill Walsh.

    No.  It was Paul Brown.   Walsh was an asst. coach for  PB with the Bengals...and most of Walsh's concepts were the same that  PB ran with Otto Graham.  And also...the name West Coast Offense was actually a creation of Bernie Kosar. 

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    @the-gipper said:

    No.  It was Paul Brown.   Walsh was an asst. coach for  PB with the Bengals...and most of Walsh's concepts were the same that  PB ran with Otto Graham.  And also...the name West Coast Offense was actually a creation of Bernie Kosar. 

    It was Bill Walsh, while under Paul Brown. 

    The Bengals had an accurate, but weak-armed QB, and Brown gave his OC Bill Walsh the assignment of creating a passing attack that featured short passes. This was the beginning of what became the West Coast offense, shorter passes that focused on hitting players in stride to allow them to gain yards after the catch. 

    I didn't know about Bernie's involvement in the name, but apparently this is true, but mistakenly. Bernie mentioned "the West Coast Offense" in comparison to the Cowboys offense (when he was there) and the reporter mistakenly thought he was referring to the Walsh/49ers offense. Bernie was actually talking about the Air Coryell offense. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    No.  It was Paul Brown.   Walsh was an asst. coach for  PB with the Bengals...and most of Walsh's concepts were the same that  PB ran with Otto Graham.  And also...the name West Coast Offense was actually a creation of Bernie Kosar. 

    It was Bill Walsh, while under Paul Brown. 

    The Bengals had an accurate, but weak-armed QB, and Brown gave his OC Bill Walsh the assignment of creating a passing attack that featured short passes. This was the beginning of what became the West Coast offense, shorter passes that focused on hitting players in stride to allow them to gain yards after the catch. 

    I didn't know about Bernie's involvement in the name, but apparently this is true, but mistakenly. Bernie mentioned "the West Coast Offense" in comparison to the Cowboys offense (when he was there) and the reporter mistakenly thought he was referring to the Walsh/49ers offense. Bernie was actually talking about the Air Coryell offense. 

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    1. It was Bill Walsh, while under Paul Brown. 
    2. The Bengals had an accurate, but weak-armed QB, and Brown gave his OC Bill Walsh the assignment of creating a passing attack that featured short passes. This was the beginning of what became the West Coast offense, shorter passes that focused on hitting players in stride to allow them to gain yards after the catch. 
    3. I didn't know about Bernie's involvement in the name, but apparently this is true, but mistakenly. Bernie mentioned "the West Coast Offense" in comparison to the Cowboys offense (when he was there) and the reporter mistakenly thought he was referring to the Walsh/49ers offense. Bernie was actually talking about the Air Coryell offense. 

    1. Yes... and as we know that does not make it Paul Browns'.

    2. Actually the Bengals had a promising, rookie QB, Greg Cook, who suffered a torn rotator cuff early in the season. That necessitated scrapping the vertical offense installed in TC and replacement it with a short, quick passing game. Walsh was Paul's QB Coach and called the plays. At the time it was generally referred to as "the nickle and dime offense."

    However, Walsh did not originate the concept at that time. That happened over 20 years prior in Bill's Master's Thesis at San Jose St., Flank Formation Football - Stress: Defense . Bill used a fledgling version of the concept in his first job to turn a doormat H.S. team into a winner. The concept developed through Bill's subsequent stops on college staffs and his first pro job in Oakland. He left Oakland to join Brown in Cinci.

    Bill expected to become the Cinci HC when Paul retired. He left after Paul passed over him and chose Bill Johnson. Pretty safe to say Paul fucked up.

    3. Walsh ended up joining Don Coryell in SD where the Offense was further developed. While some do credit Bernie and a miscommunication for the name, almost a decade earlier Bill Parcels used it after his NYG team destroy Walsh's 49ers in a playoff game.

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1063824-a-brief-history-of-the-west-coast-offense-part-1-planting-the-seed

    https://www.thephinsider.com/2014/2/13/5406774/football-101-what-is-a-west-coast-offense

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_offense#History_and_use_of_the_term

  • @the-gipper said:

    No.  It was Paul Brown.   Walsh was an asst. coach for  PB with the Bengals...and most of Walsh's concepts were the same that  PB ran with Otto Graham.  And also...the name West Coast Offense was actually a creation of Bernie Kosar. 

    It was Bill Walsh, while under Paul Brown. 

    The Bengals had an accurate, but weak-armed QB, and Brown gave his OC Bill Walsh the assignment of creating a passing attack that featured short passes. This was the beginning of what became the West Coast offense, shorter passes that focused on hitting players in stride to allow them to gain yards after the catch. 

    I didn't know about Bernie's involvement in the name, but apparently this is true, but mistakenly. Bernie mentioned "the West Coast Offense" in comparison to the Cowboys offense (when he was there) and the reporter mistakenly thought he was referring to the Walsh/49ers offense. Bernie was actually talking about the Air Coryell offense. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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    @dutch-oven said:

    It was Bill Walsh, while under Paul Brown. 

    The Bengals had an accurate, but weak-armed QB, and Brown gave his OC Bill Walsh the assignment of creating a passing attack that featured short passes. This was the beginning of what became the West Coast offense, shorter passes that focused on hitting players in stride to allow them to gain yards after the catch. 

    I didn't know about Bernie's involvement in the name, but apparently this is true, but mistakenly. Bernie mentioned "the West Coast Offense" in comparison to the Cowboys offense (when he was there) and the reporter mistakenly thought he was referring to the Walsh/49ers offense. Bernie was actually talking about the Air Coryell offense. 

    Bill Walsh  adapted and updated Paul Brown's basic concepts that he ran with Otto Graham.    He did not just create that offense out of the firmament.   He also took some of Sid Gillman's concepts from his San Diego offense and applied it.  Not saying he wasn't creative with it...just that the basic concepts had been around. 

    Walsh spent eight seasons with the Bengals as the offensive coordinator.

    In that time, he incorporated many of Paul Brown's philosophies into his own tool kit.