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  • Denver is shopping pick #9. I’d consider moving up to grab Surtain. Adding him to Ward , Johnson ,Hill and Harrison forms the best secondary in the NFL. Life at the D line for sacks and QB pressures would be easy picking for the crew we have now. 

  • Anything that costs a future first is a complete no no as far as I’m concerned

  • @tour2ma said:

    Not by the standard chart of the time...

    At the time Heckert was our GM and analytics had yet to come to town... so by the established chart of the day, the Jimmy Johnson chart. The rule of thumb is that future year picks are devalued by one round per year.

    • We gave up 342.4.
    • ATL paid 214.7+135.1+79.4+135.1+61.1 = 595.4. So we killed it... or so we thought.

    However, by the Harvard Chart

    • We gave up a pick worth 1600.
    • So ATL gave up... 680+310+49+310+30 = 1379 assuming they finished 2012 in the same position... which they did not. They actually finished higher in 2012 and earned us the 29th pick.

    So yeah... by today's standard we did not get full value for our 6th, but either way Chuckles Heckert blew the draft anyway.

    Here's the old JJ chart... it has decimal points, so it must be more precise... 😉

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    The chart is reference point...and demand can drive it favorably or unfavorably in either direction.  I think the chart could be favorable with a trade up in the first round if you have a run on QBs with the first four picks and four are off the board at pick 5 or 6. 

    https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/4/23/15398184/2017-nfl-draft-creating-a-brand-new-nfl-draft-value-trade-chart

    @sdbacker80 said:

    The chart is reference point.

    Yes... but not the old JJ chart. It's an antiquity based on one man's whim.

    @orion said:

    A trade-up for a LB'er does seem to run counter to the Browns current culture of downplaying the LB'er role.  I'm sure their specific denomination of analytics wouldn't support such a move.  But it really doesn't change the fact that LB'er is probably our biggest need and that a LB'ers value will match one of our first four picks. 

    But as you know JOK is not a typical LB...

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    The chart is reference point.

    Yes... but not the old JJ chart. It's an antiquity based on one man's whim.

    @orion said:

    A trade-up for a LB'er does seem to run counter to the Browns current culture of downplaying the LB'er role.  I'm sure their specific denomination of analytics wouldn't support such a move.  But it really doesn't change the fact that LB'er is probably our biggest need and that a LB'ers value will match one of our first four picks. 

    But as you know JOK is not a typical LB...

    @tour2ma said:

    But as you know JOK is not a typical LB...

    ...and that's where the waters get a bit muddier.