Rounds 2 & 3

TexasAg1969

@tiamat63 said:

So you can't explain shit, I'm shocked.

At least you used the non-possessive 'You're'. Irks me to no end when I see "your stupid", so good on ya.

I will pass that on to my 40 plus year Advanced Placement English teaching wife who has retired to correct my Texanese. Its (It's?) About the only thing she will ever like about a football board. LOL!?

Vagitron

@hoorta said:

As I commented to my pal.a guy with safety+ speed that plays LB. Guy who can cover wrs over the middle. Any comparisons to Dick Butkus are hallucinations. And he did win the Butkus award.

Because they are... Draft a guy who shows some talent to be a center, Pouncey- he ain't. We should start a pool on which game Ben goes on IR....

Yep. Anthony is certainly on the Mount Olympus of LTs...

Pouncey was down right bad last season and far from great the season prior. Villanueva the same and A LOT of people from outside the fan base think this means the line will experience a regression. I frankly think the line improves with their departures and Green is the perfect pivot in a ZBS. The article i'm about to link is from PRE-DRAFT so there is no "bias" even tho the depot is incredibly unbiased when the dust settles.

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/03/2021-nfl-draft-player-profiles-illinois-ol-kendrick-green/

EDIT: Green has a RAS score of 9.24.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

Pouncey was down right bad last season and far from great the season prior. Villanueva the same and A LOT of people from outside the fan base think this means the line will experience a regression. I frankly think the line improves with their departures and Green is the perfect pivot in a ZBS. The article i'm about to link is from PRE-DRAFT so there is no "bias" even tho the depot is incredibly unbiased when the dust settles.

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/03/2021-nfl-draft-player-profiles-illinois-ol-kendrick-green/

Togiai will eat this guy alive.

Nero

@tour2ma said:

Let's see if a "$500 Scratch off" can be beat.

And now the tally...

X ........ -$100

Ding Ding Ding! +$490.... net +$390

XX ....... -$100... net +$290

XXX ..... -$100... net +$190

XXXX .... -$100... net +$90

XXXXX .... -$100.... ruh ro.... net -$10

XXXXXX .... -$200 .... net -$210

Meatloaf was wrong... 2 outta 3 is bad.... XXXXXXX ... -$100... net -$310

Last one....

XXXXXXXX ... -$100 ... Net -$410

Please keep you stubs for tax purposes...

Hey London, I know Spaniards and Brits have some backstory... But next time you want to run a charity event I can send you an address...

SdBacker80

So watching some Auburn clips and Anthony Schwartz clips and Schwartz had some decent hands too with that speed.

I think we have a steal.

mjp28

@tour2ma said:

I put the O/U we actually use for picks at 4.5...

... and I'm taking the Under.

That was a pretty close O/U at 4.5.

Oh the actual amount of picks was 5...... barely but still OVER. Pretty well done BROWNS FO.

hoorta

@vagitron said:

Pouncey was down right bad last season and far from great the season prior. Villanueva the same and A LOT of people from outside the fan base think this means the line will experience a regression. I frankly think the line improves with their departures and Green is the perfect pivot in a ZBS. The article i'm about to link is from PRE-DRAFT so there is no "bias" even tho the depot is incredibly unbiased when the dust settles.

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/03/2021-nfl-draft-player-profiles-illinois-ol-kendrick-green/

EDIT: Green has a RAS score of 9.24.

Absolutely, for sure. You don't draft OL in the 3rd and 4th round and expect them to play like Orlando Pace right out of the gate.

Uh huh- Najee Harris = Barry Sanders. Frothingslosh = Travis Kelce, Kendrick Green = Quenton Nelson, Dan Moore = Anthony Munoz, Buddy Jonson = Ray Lewis... Just stop...

TexasAg1969

@hoorta said:

Absolutely, for sure. You don't draft OL in the 3rd and 4th round and expect them to play like Orlando Pace right out of the gate.

Uh huh- Najee Harris = Barry Sanders. Frothingslosh = Travis Kelce, Kendrick Green = Quenton Nelson, Dan Moore = Anthony Munoz, Buddy Jonson = Ray Lewis... Just stop...

LOL! Harris and Moore are actually very good pickups for them.

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:

LOL! Harris and Moore are actually very good pickups for them.

Well, they are younger players than the guys they are to replace....but will they be better? I mean, sure a young center is going to be better than the worn out, now departed Pouncey, but does anyone expecthim to play at Pouncey Prime level?

TexasAg1969

@the-gipper said:

Well, they are younger players than the guys they are to replace....but will they be better? I mean, sure a young center is going to be better than the worn out, now departed Pouncey, but does anyone expecthim to play at Pouncey Prime level?

Moore is not a center and last time I looked Harris was a RB.

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:

Moore is not a center and last time I looked Harris was a RB.

Well, I wasn't just talking about those 2. I was also talking about Kendrick Green. I don't care what position they play, the comment stands: will they be better than who they replace?

hoorta

@texasag1969 said:

LOL! Harris and Moore are actually very good pickups for them.

I see I'm behind the times- your stud A&M Punter was drafted in 2020. But his punting average went way down in the NFL, probably coached to kick nonreturnable moon balls... FWIW, our guy- The Scottish Hammer actually has a better punting average than Mann does in the NFL...

jiggins7919

@d-bone said:

Boom!

I LOVE IT!

SdBacker80

I’ve been watching some JOK highlights. Admittedly I didn’t spend a lot of time outside of maybe watching 10-12 guys in this process.

He plays downhill VERY well. Notre Dame told him see ball get ball often and he pressured plays and disrupted the QB often. He form tackles too!!! The lost art of form tackling was impressed upon him and he does it well.

Great pick!!!

NOW will Joe Woods move beyond the passive pressure scheme with just the front 4 - drop 7 in coverage...or will he utilize the tool. Myles on one side Clowney on the other JOK coming disguised. Hide your QB!!!

On a side note Fields (5th rounder) watched him as well at Zona and WVU he does an excellent job in coverage sniffing out throws and baiting QBs into mistakes. He’s a zone coverage guy - Woods will love him I like him too.

Thankfully JOK looks like he covers well too without PI.

Tour2ma

@sdbacker80 said:

So watching some Auburn clips and Anthony Schwartz clips and Schwartz had some decent hands too with that speed.

I think we have a steal.

Yup....

In 2020 he was #8 in the SEC in receptions with 54.

Plus for a guy who is talked about as if the "go route" is all he's good for to have more rushing TDs than receiving and a YPC of only 12.2 even if there are a couple handfuls of bubble screens in that reception total.

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

Yup....

In 2020 he was #8 in the SEC in receptions with 54.

Plus for a guy who is talked about as if the "go route" is all he's good for to have more rushing TDs than receiving and a YPC of only 12.2 even if there are a couple handfuls of bubble screens in that reception total.

Watching his 2020 game against Georgia now.

Hasn't caught a ball past the LOS yet, I'm in the 3rd Qtr. Good God, Auburns Oline is a mess and Bo Nix might be worse.

LOTS of work needed on Schwartz' feet.

SdBacker80

@tour2ma said:

Yup....

In 2020 he was #8 in the SEC in receptions with 54.

Plus for a guy who is talked about as if the "go route" is all he's good for to have more rushing TDs than receiving and a YPC of only 12.2 even if there are a couple handfuls of bubble screens in that reception total.

He catches the ball from what I see. His bio...he’s a football guy throughout HS and College not a track guy with Olympic aspirations recruited last minute as a football guy.

Year 1 I’ll take 8-10 play sub package each game 2/3 touches...go route, bubble screen and end around. Let’s have a couple end around fakes with him....safety and end need to respect it with that speed...so suddenly off tackle works better and so does play action the other way.

10-20 years ago we would be drafting this guy to come on Year 1 as a #3 WR. He has some elite professional route runners to learn from on this team

gumby73

cleaned up some of the past Browns trades..

#1. The Browns were given a Saints 4th rounder, pick #91.. which awarded the Browns WR Anthony Schwartz from Auburn..We gained the 4th allowing the Saints to draft Zack Baun @ pick 74 last season. While the Browns chose DT Jordan Elliott at pick #88 last season.

#2. Genard Avery was traded to Philly for a 4th.. That was pick #110 this season, that awarded the Browns T James Hudson..

#3. The Browns traded Austin Corbett to the LAR for a 5th..Pick #169 turned into the Browns drafting S Richard Lecounte III..

#4. The Browns were given a Bills 7th (pick 257) in the Wyatt Teller trade from the Bills.. The pick was traded away to the Lions. Gaining a 4th back next season..While trading back & drafting LB Tony Fields with the Browns later 5th round pick..

The Gipper

@gumby73 said:

cleaned up some of the past Browns trades..

#1. The Browns were given a Saints 4th rounder, pick #91.. which awarded the Browns WR Anthony Schwartz from Auburn..We gained the 4th allowing the Saints to draft Zack Baun @ pick 74 last season. While the Browns chose DT Jordan Elliott at pick #88 last season.

#2. Genard Avery was traded to Philly for a 4th.. That was pick #110 this season, that awarded the Browns T James Hudson..

#3. The Browns traded Austin Corbett to the LAR for a 5th..Pick #169 turned into the Browns drafting S Richard Lecounte III..

#4. The Browns were given a Bills 7th (pick 257) in the Wyatt Teller trade from the Bills.. The pick was traded away to the Lions. Gaining a 4th back next season..While trading back & drafting LB Tony Fields with the Browns later 5th round pick..

So, essentially we traded Genard Avery for James Hudson.....and Austin Corbett for Richard LeCounte. Now, on the surface those look like bright moves.....but I don't really know what Avery and Corbett have been doing since leaving here. I just know we got burned by using a high 2d round pick on Corbett.

Note: Checked: Avery had a good rookie year in 2018 but his next two years ...2019 split between the Browns and Eagles, and 2020 in Philly are nothing to write home about, at all. He has started no games since his rookie year, and has made a grand total of 9 tackles the last 2 years.

Austin Corbett had a crap first two years, but he started all 23 games for the Rams since he was traded in the middle of 2019. It seems that they shifted him from Tackle to Guard, and it has worked out.

TexasAg1969

@the-gipper said:

Austin Corbett had a crap first two years, but he started all 23 games for the Rams since he was traded in the middle of 2019. It seems that they shifted him from Tackle to Guard, and it has worked out.

Which may help explain why Jared Goff had 13 interceptions and 23 sacks against 20 TDs and is now playing for the Lions.?

But at least he isn't Cam "Pancake" Erving, our 2015 #19 overall pick now on his 4th team in Carolina.