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Browns - Watson restructure deal....a bit.

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  • We've tried every kind of hierarchy imaginable.  We put Butch Davis in charge and he drafted Big Money (because he had recruited him out of high school) instead of Richard Seymore.  We've had Ray Farmer and Mike Pettine who hated each other (and were both garbage).  We tried putting Mike Holgrem as President to supervise and be the deciding vote over the HC & GM.  And now we've got DePodesta.  The commonality through most of that has been Haslem.  I don't have to ask what that tells us.  But Mr. NEW & IMPROVED will have his new glitzy domed stadium...and for the umpteenth time, the New & Improved will fix everything.  -  To be clear however, I think that the dome will help to attract better talent since they won't have to play in horrid winter conditions AND have to put up with Haslem running the ship.  

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
    #21

    @orion said:

    We've tried every kind of hierarchy imaginable.  We put Butch Davis in charge and he drafted Big Money (because he had recruited him out of high school) instead of Richard Seymore.  We've had Ray Farmer and Mike Pettine who hated each other (and were both garbage).  We tried putting Mike Holgrem as President to supervise and be the deciding vote over the HC & GM.  And now we've got DePodesta.  The commonality through most of that has been Haslem.  I don't have to ask what that tells us.  But Mr. NEW & IMPROVED will have his new glitzy domed stadium...and for the umpteenth time, the New & Improved will fix everything.  -  To be clear however, I think that the dome will help to attract better talent since they won't have to play in horrid winter conditions AND have to put up with Haslem running the ship.  

    All true; but justifying doing nothing because Butch Davis failed 20 years ago isn't a reason to stick the current forfeit our FO is giving us.  Haslem can Jerry Jones the crap out of a new stadium; and what does that do if you STILL suck at drafting people and hiring staff and personnel?   I see so much impatience that this organization doesn't even value the draft. I'm sorry but it's a red flag that will put quick sand under the new dome while the never ending find the scapegoat to blame in Cleveland will be reinforced.

    At some point, you have to be able to draft to perpetuate a healthy salary cap and build up the chemistry and continuity.  When these 1-2 year band-aids keep popping off - what are we looking at?  Nobody we've drafted. So, we're planning for the next time we can throw a bunch of 1-2 year band aids together in 2-3 years for a brief respite from losing.  I need better than that this time around.  Handing a Gypsy a new stadium won't help us.  Getting SOMEONE South of Jesus with great credibility and leadership to advise Jimmy - bands from bad FOs don't keep ships floating.  We're watching this unfold before our eyes aren't we?

    Do we use a WR we drafted with any regularity?  No - so we pay more

    Do we use a Center we drafted? No - so we pay more

    Do we use a RG we drafted? No - so we pay more

    Until Michael Hall Jr was allowed to play - were we using any DTs we drafted?  No - so we pay more.  Part of that was because the ones they did draft weren't very good.

    Did we draft the edge rushers opposite of Garrett was ZaDarius Smith and Ogbo Okoronkwo- so we paid more.  Having said that, we did draft Isaiah McGuire in rd 4 in 2023 and he's giving quality reps in the rotation

    The QB Trade for Watson - and yet, they rarely ever gave their drafted QB a full week of practice with starters leading up to his 1st few appearances.  You don't take a rookie QB and have him only practice with the scout team against our defense all week ONLY to tell him 2 hours before kickoff - you're our starter today against the Ratbirds and expect success.  Why?  No practice with the game plan and applicable situational football prep for that specific defense.  Even worse, no familiarity or chance of chemistry whatsoever with the strangers he suddenly had to throw to. Again, he was throwing to practice squad types on the scout team all week. The short window for a young QB like him to succeed is slamming shut on him so his brief 2 years here was completely wasted. 

    NOW, the talented players that I already mentioned that were here before Berry?  David Njoku, Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Nick Chubb, Joel Bitonio, Wyatt Teller.  They were all key guys on the team that won a playoff game in Pittsburgh that were ahead of Pitt with a score of 48-29 with only 1:09 remaining in the game (before a junk-time TD with a 2 point conversion).  IMO, that nucleus of players should have been an ideal starting point for Berry.  He's had 4 years and he still can't draft, which is why he counts on proven players others have drafted by paying them more $ than their previous teams would pay them.  

    Look at the Rams, Lions, 49ers, Chiefs, Bills, Ratbirds, Eagles - those teams mostly have been built through the draft before adding a Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley/AJ Brown.  It ain't like Barkley was frequenting playoffs with the Giants any more than Henry was with TN.  You have to be able to draft better than Berry has for the Browns.  This shouldn't be a tough upgrade.

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
    #22

    I just think the Browns keep having the wrong fo people, the wrong head coaches, etc because they have

    the wrong crap rich sumbags as owners. It filters down.

    Even reworking that stupid ass trade, the Browns are said to be dropping players.

    Like Chubb. and of course, Wills. and Conklin. and maybe, Garrett will decide to give up.

    But I'm sure Stupanski works cheap so they will keep him, even though he has the personality of stale, bland oatmeal.

    https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/cleveland-browns/nick-chubb-jack-conklin-jedrick-wills/

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
    #23

    Wait until cal finds out that this "scumbag" organization is planning on adding another scumbag to their front office.

    The guy apparently is a coke head who paid underage girls for sex.

    Oh, wait... wrong scumbag organization. ?