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  • @dawgpound3 said:

    Bill Belichick.

    Wow

    I didn't remember us going 11-5

    with Vinny?

    @brownb499 said:

    Wow

    I didn't remember us going 11-5

    with Vinny?

    Yea, that would have been 1994. Belichick beat his mentor, Bill Parcells in a playoff game that year, (but yea, he then lost the next game to the Squealers)

  • Now for his first draft for NE and BB...

    2nd round, 46th overall: Adrian Klemm - 4yrs with NE, only 1 as a starter (G)

    3rd rd, 76th overall: JR Redmond - 3yrs with NE, 0 as starter (RB)

    4th rd, 127th overall: Greg Randall - 3yrs with NE, 1 as starter (T)

    5th rd, 141st overall: Dave Stachelski - 2yrs with NE, 0 as starter (TE)

    5th rd, 161st overall: Jeff Marriott - total bust (DT)

    6th rd, 187nd overall: Antwan Harris - 4yrs with NE, 0 as starter (DB)

    6th rd, 199nd overall: Tom Brady - to discuss later

    6th rd, 201st overall: David Nugent - 2yrs with NE, 0 as starter (DE)

    7th rd, 226th overall: Casey Tisdale - total bust (DE)

    7th rd, 239th overall: Patrick Pass - 7yrs with NE, 0 as starter

    Other than Tom Brady, BB had 9 total picks and only 7 made the team...and only 1 was with the team after 4 years....and he was a ST's guy. As of now, from the 2000 draft, Tom Brady is the ONLY active player in the league. Not great success now was it.

    Now, to discuss the GENIUS of drafting Tom Brady.

    First, he was a THROW IN PICK in the 6th round...in fact he wasn't even the FIRST pick of the 6th round for BB.

    Second, Tom Brady sat out his entire first year behind Bledsoe...and the only reason he got into a game in year 2 was because Bledsoe was bleeding into his lungs....so he was basically passed over by BB then too.

    Third, this is what TB was surrounded by:

    RB: Antowain Smith, 1st rd, 23rd pick

    FB: Marc Edwards, 2nd rd, 55th pick

    WR: Troy Brown, 8 year veteran, pro bowler

    WR: David Patten, yeah, the guy we tried out here

    TE: Rod Ruttlidge, 2nd rd, 54th pick

    LT: Matt Light - 2nd rd, 48th pick

    LG: Mike Compton - 3rd rd, 68th pick

    😄 Damien Woody - 1st rd, 17th pick

    RG: Joe Andruzzi - yeah, again, recent Brown

    RT: Greg Randall - 4th rd, 127th pick

    That was a VERY TALENTED offense young Tom Brady stepped into. He was placed into a PERFECT situation for a young guy to gain his confidence...and it shows by his career.

    I have said it often...the protection and system are as much to credit as Tom Brady (whom I consider a system QB....just look at Cassel for evidence).

    Again, my reason for this is....Mangini has done a HELL of a lot better in THIS draft than BB did back in 2000 (his 6th draft)...and has seen the benefits of surrounding a young QB with talent before deciding to discard him....so, do not count EITHER of our QB's as history just yet.

    RG:

    @wpb-dawg-fan said:

    Now for his first draft for NE and BB...

    2nd round, 46th overall: Adrian Klemm - 4yrs with NE, only 1 as a starter (G)

    3rd rd, 76th overall: JR Redmond - 3yrs with NE, 0 as starter (RB)

    4th rd, 127th overall: Greg Randall - 3yrs with NE, 1 as starter (T)

    5th rd, 141st overall: Dave Stachelski - 2yrs with NE, 0 as starter (TE)

    5th rd, 161st overall: Jeff Marriott - total bust (DT)

    6th rd, 187nd overall: Antwan Harris - 4yrs with NE, 0 as starter (DB)

    6th rd, 199nd overall: Tom Brady - to discuss later

    6th rd, 201st overall: David Nugent - 2yrs with NE, 0 as starter (DE)

    7th rd, 226th overall: Casey Tisdale - total bust (DE)

    7th rd, 239th overall: Patrick Pass - 7yrs with NE, 0 as starter

    Other than Tom Brady, BB had 9 total picks and only 7 made the team...and only 1 was with the team after 4 years....and he was a ST's guy. As of now, from the 2000 draft, Tom Brady is the ONLY active player in the league. Not great success now was it.

    Now, to discuss the GENIUS of drafting Tom Brady.

    First, he was a THROW IN PICK in the 6th round...in fact he wasn't even the FIRST pick of the 6th round for BB.

    Second, Tom Brady sat out his entire first year behind Bledsoe...and the only reason he got into a game in year 2 was because Bledsoe was bleeding into his lungs....so he was basically passed over by BB then too.

    Third, this is what TB was surrounded by:

    RB: Antowain Smith, 1st rd, 23rd pick

    FB: Marc Edwards, 2nd rd, 55th pick

    WR: Troy Brown, 8 year veteran, pro bowler

    WR: David Patten, yeah, the guy we tried out here

    TE: Rod Ruttlidge, 2nd rd, 54th pick

    LT: Matt Light - 2nd rd, 48th pick

    LG: Mike Compton - 3rd rd, 68th pick

    😄 Damien Woody - 1st rd, 17th pick

    RG: Joe Andruzzi - yeah, again, recent Brown

    RT: Greg Randall - 4th rd, 127th pick

    That was a VERY TALENTED offense young Tom Brady stepped into. He was placed into a PERFECT situation for a young guy to gain his confidence...and it shows by his career.

    I have said it often...the protection and system are as much to credit as Tom Brady (whom I consider a system QB....just look at Cassel for evidence).

    Again, my reason for this is....Mangini has done a HELL of a lot better in THIS draft than BB did back in 2000 (his 6th draft)...and has seen the benefits of surrounding a young QB with talent before deciding to discard him....so, do not count EITHER of our QB's as history just yet.

    RG:

    Wow....the more I look at the draft of BB in his first year at NE, the more I think of how AWFUL it was. If not for an injury to Bledsoe....Brady would likely never have seen the field...and the ONLY player that BB would have ended up with for more than 4 years would have been a ST's guy!!!

    Compare that to what we have here this year in Mangini's first draft.

    Guaranteed Starters:

    Mack

    MoMass

    Probably Starters:

    Veikune

    Robiskie

    Davis

    Special Teams Guy:

    Maiava

    Am I forgetting anyone?

  • @wpb-dawg-fan said:

    Now for his first draft for NE and BB...

    2nd round, 46th overall: Adrian Klemm - 4yrs with NE, only 1 as a starter (G)

    3rd rd, 76th overall: JR Redmond - 3yrs with NE, 0 as starter (RB)

    4th rd, 127th overall: Greg Randall - 3yrs with NE, 1 as starter (T)

    5th rd, 141st overall: Dave Stachelski - 2yrs with NE, 0 as starter (TE)

    5th rd, 161st overall: Jeff Marriott - total bust (DT)

    6th rd, 187nd overall: Antwan Harris - 4yrs with NE, 0 as starter (DB)

    6th rd, 199nd overall: Tom Brady - to discuss later

    6th rd, 201st overall: David Nugent - 2yrs with NE, 0 as starter (DE)

    7th rd, 226th overall: Casey Tisdale - total bust (DE)

    7th rd, 239th overall: Patrick Pass - 7yrs with NE, 0 as starter

    Other than Tom Brady, BB had 9 total picks and only 7 made the team...and only 1 was with the team after 4 years....and he was a ST's guy. As of now, from the 2000 draft, Tom Brady is the ONLY active player in the league. Not great success now was it.

    Now, to discuss the GENIUS of drafting Tom Brady.

    First, he was a THROW IN PICK in the 6th round...in fact he wasn't even the FIRST pick of the 6th round for BB.

    Second, Tom Brady sat out his entire first year behind Bledsoe...and the only reason he got into a game in year 2 was because Bledsoe was bleeding into his lungs....so he was basically passed over by BB then too.

    Third, this is what TB was surrounded by:

    RB: Antowain Smith, 1st rd, 23rd pick

    FB: Marc Edwards, 2nd rd, 55th pick

    WR: Troy Brown, 8 year veteran, pro bowler

    WR: David Patten, yeah, the guy we tried out here

    TE: Rod Ruttlidge, 2nd rd, 54th pick

    LT: Matt Light - 2nd rd, 48th pick

    LG: Mike Compton - 3rd rd, 68th pick

    😄 Damien Woody - 1st rd, 17th pick

    RG: Joe Andruzzi - yeah, again, recent Brown

    RT: Greg Randall - 4th rd, 127th pick

    That was a VERY TALENTED offense young Tom Brady stepped into. He was placed into a PERFECT situation for a young guy to gain his confidence...and it shows by his career.

    I have said it often...the protection and system are as much to credit as Tom Brady (whom I consider a system QB....just look at Cassel for evidence).

    Again, my reason for this is....Mangini has done a HELL of a lot better in THIS draft than BB did back in 2000 (his 6th draft)...and has seen the benefits of surrounding a young QB with talent before deciding to discard him....so, do not count EITHER of our QB's as history just yet.

    RG:

    Wow....the more I look at the draft of BB in his first year at NE, the more I think of how AWFUL it was. If not for an injury to Bledsoe....Brady would likely never have seen the field...and the ONLY player that BB would have ended up with for more than 4 years would have been a ST's guy!!!

    Compare that to what we have here this year in Mangini's first draft.

    Guaranteed Starters:

    Mack

    MoMass

    Probably Starters:

    Veikune

    Robiskie

    Davis

    Special Teams Guy:

    Maiava

    Am I forgetting anyone?

    @wpb-dawg-fan said:

    Wow....the more I look at the draft of BB in his first year at NE, the more I think of how AWFUL it was. If not for an injury to Bledsoe....Brady would likely never have seen the field...and the ONLY player that BB would have ended up with for more than 4 years would have been a ST's guy!!!

    Compare that to what we have here this year in Mangini's first draft.

    Guaranteed Starters:

    Mack

    MoMass

    Probably Starters:

    Veikune

    Robiskie

    Davis

    Special Teams Guy:

    Maiava

    Am I forgetting anyone?

    Coye Frances!