Pluto on Mangini
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You're acting like Mangini has never worked for anybody before. Yes he had complete control this year but that was necessary. Now, he has the culture and attitude changed here and he can concentrate on coaching. The job no longer requires full control. So, I don't see him working for Holmgren being a problem. I mean, the guy worked under Parcells!! Not to mention that Mangini has shown that he respects and admires intelligent football people. Holmgren should fit that mold perfectly. This shouldn't be a problem at all. However, if Mangini shits the bed next year, you'll see Holmgren coaching once he gets his front office in capable hands.
Mangini might actually want to hope that Holmgren doesn't look too closely at his last 2 employers. He was of course fired from the Jets and before that, demoted by Belichick, who took Mangini's play calling rights away from him but let him keep the title "Defensive Coordinator"
But I don't think Kokinis would agree that Mangini was "forced" to be the GM... he took the job even though Kokinis feels he was duped when they told him (and the Ravens) that he would have authority as the GM. Most think that was Mangini's intent all along, don't they?
Mangini might actually want to hope that Holmgren doesn't look too closely at his last 2 employers. He was of course fired from the Jets and before that, demoted by Belichick, who took Mangini's play calling rights away from him but let him keep the title "Defensive Coordinator"
But I don't think Kokinis would agree that Mangini was "forced" to be the GM... he took the job even though Kokinis feels he was duped when they told him (and the Ravens) that he would have authority as the GM. Most think that was Mangini's intent all along, don't they?
He was never demoted by Belichik. If he was, do you think anyone would have looked at him as a serious head coacing subject?
He was fired by the Jets because of Favre's implosion due to a covered up injury.
Who cares about Kokinis? Since his firing we've made our best FA moves (Roth, Moore, Benard) so I doubt he was contributing much.
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Mangini might actually want to hope that Holmgren doesn't look too closely at his last 2 employers. He was of course fired from the Jets and before that, demoted by Belichick, who took Mangini's play calling rights away from him but let him keep the title "Defensive Coordinator"
But I don't think Kokinis would agree that Mangini was "forced" to be the GM... he took the job even though Kokinis feels he was duped when they told him (and the Ravens) that he would have authority as the GM. Most think that was Mangini's intent all along, don't they?
He was never demoted by Belichik. If he was, do you think anyone would have looked at him as a serious head coacing subject?
He was fired by the Jets because of Favre's implosion due to a covered up injury.
Who cares about Kokinis? Since his firing we've made our best FA moves (Roth, Moore, Benard) so I doubt he was contributing much.
He was never demoted by Belichik. If he was, do you think anyone would have looked at him as a serious head coacing subject?
Because even though he revoked Mangini's play calling Belichcik didn't want to stab Mangini in the back by announcing it to the world - but it's widely known and even acknowledged in articles about the Browns.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/DMN-Ko...d-a-chance.html
The Secret,” for all his lack of communication skills, apparently can sell himself. He sold the Jets and his good friend, general manager Mike Tannenbaum, on the fact he was a bright young coordinator and a budding star when the reality was, at the time, Mangini was removed from his defensive coordinator responsibilities while he was in New England.
The Patriots under Mangini in 2005 gave up too many big plays down the field and were so poorly synchronized that head coach Bill Belichick was forced to take over the defense in mid-stream. Every time Mangini was given more responsibility in New England, he was not successful. Conversely, every time Josh McDaniels’ role was increased, he kept getting more and more successful. However, in spite of Mangini’s bad year, he was rewarded with a head coaching job based on Tannenbaum’s recommendation.
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Certainly different fans have their different takes on many of Mangnini's moves.... was his handling of the QB situation "Mangenius" (or "Mangenious" as some like to spell it) or "MangIdiot"... Same with his earlier decision not to start Harrison at RB... decision to have rookies take a mandotory volunatary bus ride to CT while he hopped a flight etc etc...
Holmgren will look at those issues but I think the deciding factor for Mangini is the Kokinis issue
Mangini hand-picked Kokinis and there seems to be some disagreement over whether Kokinis truly WAS the GM.
It seems apparent that Mangini wanted full and complete control as the coach and defacto GM with all final decisions resting with him and not the GM.
NOW - with Holmgren as President and a yet to be named GM coming in, does Holmgren think that Mangini will suddenly willingly submit to TWO people with final say over him? Or will Holmgren recognize that Mangini's desire to have all the power and control might not fit with a new regime that is going to do things differently, with a true GM and Team President with authority over the coach?
That may be the deciding factor against Mangini.
Certainly different fans have their different takes on many of Mangnini's moves.... was his handling of the QB situation "Mangenius"
You act like a BAD QB situation was invented 1 second after the ink dried on Mangini's new contract. What's your REAL beef with Mangini?
Seriously, if things had been done RIGHT with the QB situation - there's no need to discuss Mangini or even Holmgren right about now.
What was SOOOOOOOOOOO wrong in letting sufficient pre-season games with the SAME reps with the #1 unit give him a betetr apples to apples than our negative media? The media WANTED Quinn to be named starter without the Head Coach seeing who was best for his offense.
I have to be completely honest - I was so sick of seeing regression from DA since November 1st of 2007 - that I was chomping at the bits for HOPE via Quinn. There's a reason I wear sweats on Sundays and hold Beer Pretzels and cold beers while Mangini wears Superbowl rings, headphones and clipboards. As it played out for the coach that inherited our QB nightmare, he went with what he prolly felt was the lesser of 2 evils. In hind sight, Quinn was SOOOO bad with his first 3-4 starts - it was COMFORTING to know that DA got as many preseason reps with the 1st unit as he did. Unfortunately for us AND Mangini - DA played like the DA we couldn't wait to replace. Meaning? He got replaced again and the combination of 32% completion rates and another season ending injury to Quinn means Mangini was WRONG to determine both QBs needed the same number of pre-season reps? Says WHO? Let me guess - you, Pluto and Jupiter.
Take a hike squirt breath!
- Tom F. (Let the record show ANY time Mangini had a decent startign QB in his career, he has gone 9-7 or 10-6. Let ANOTHER record show when BB had an over-the-hill Bledsoe he was winless and won a Superbowl that same season with Brady - just sayin...)
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You act like a BAD QB situation was invented 1 second after the ink dried on Mangini's new contract. What's your REAL beef with Mangini?
He is a Pat's fan and is mad mangini called out Billy for cheating...or at the minimum, bending the rules a little too far.
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