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  • My opinion on the three man rush was the Browns were bound and determined not to get burnt like Cutler did to them when they went man. It paid off pretty well after Edwards gave it up and got gun shy. He was late in getting the ball out several times and if we could tackle things would have been way better. Edwards finally got loose at the end when the boys were shot and then their vaunted coaching staff played for a 47 yarder into the wind while still leaving the Browns time on the clock if he had made it.

    I know this, and that is nobody should ever comment on Rogers being tired or coming out for breathers. Dumb fans say this because of his reputation, but that guy goes up against double and triples and absolutely plays his balls off. He leaves it all out there, and almost every lineman in the league gets breathers.

    Phillip said this when we got him. He asked the writers to name a lineman as big and dominant as Rogers that doesn't have to take a breather from time to time. On top of that, he gets no help from anybody else. Casey at the Fat for the Puke can't go two plays without just leaning on someone.

    Another point: Some of the lack of sending more than three comes down to the waste of sending Wimbley and having him removed from the play. Sometimes he presents more help by dropping back in coverage or containment than disappearing into a left tackle's arms.

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    My opinion on the three man rush was the Browns were bound and determined not to get burnt like Cutler did to them when they went man. It paid off pretty well after Edwards gave it up and got gun shy. He was late in getting the ball out several times and if we could tackle things would have been way better. Edwards finally got loose at the end when the boys were shot and then their vaunted coaching staff played for a 47 yarder into the wind while still leaving the Browns time on the clock if he had made it.

    I know this, and that is nobody should ever comment on Rogers being tired or coming out for breathers. Dumb fans say this because of his reputation, but that guy goes up against double and triples and absolutely plays his balls off. He leaves it all out there, and almost every lineman in the league gets breathers.

    Phillip said this when we got him. He asked the writers to name a lineman as big and dominant as Rogers that doesn't have to take a breather from time to time. On top of that, he gets no help from anybody else. Casey at the Fat for the Puke can't go two plays without just leaning on someone.

    Another point: Some of the lack of sending more than three comes down to the waste of sending Wimbley and having him removed from the play. Sometimes he presents more help by dropping back in coverage or containment than disappearing into a left tackle's arms.

    @riffer-x said:

    My opinion on the three man rush was the Browns were bound and determined not to get burnt like Cutler did to them when they went man. It paid off pretty well after Edwards gave it up and got gun shy. He was late in getting the ball out several times and if we could tackle things would have been way better. Edwards finally got loose at the end when the boys were shot and then their vaunted coaching staff played for a 47 yarder into the wind while still leaving the Browns time on the clock if he had made it.

    I know this, and that is nobody should ever comment on Rogers being tired or coming out for breathers. Dumb fans say this because of his reputation, but that guy goes up against double and triples and absolutely plays his balls off. He leaves it all out there, and almost every lineman in the league gets breathers.

    Another point: Some of the lack of sending more than three comes down to the waste of sending Wimbley and having him removed from the play. Sometimes he presents more help by dropping back in coverage or containment than disappearing into a left tackle's arms.

    @ RifferX - Rogers (or Cribbs) is our best player. It was inspiring when he tipped that interception while triple-teamed! Also, good points about Wimbley, tackling and the 3-man rush and playing it safe. About Wimbley, why the hell don't they move him around the line?

    @ Greythan - Of course you are right that our Time of Possession differential is mostly due to our lack of a run defense. My concern is that plenty of our opponent's drives have continued after we had them in 3rd and long (or really long) where rushing the ball wasn't really an option. That's where our lack of pressure keeps us on the field...that and we can't tackle.

    Rushing three on Peyton Manning, Roethlisberger and even Donovan McNabb is a fairly daunting prospect. It seems to be begging to go score for score with them and their defenses appear better equipped for that eventuality.

  • @ Greythan - Of course you are right that our Time of Possession differential is mostly due to our lack of a run defense. My concern is that plenty of our opponent's drives have continued after we had them in 3rd and long (or really long) where rushing the ball wasn't really an option. That's where our lack of pressure keeps us on the field...that and we can't tackle.

    Rushing three on Peyton Manning, Roethlisberger and even Donovan McNabb is a fairly daunting prospect. It seems to be begging to go score for score with them and their defenses appear better equipped for that eventuality.

    Totally on the same page.

    I was speaking in a very isolated manner regarding our scheme for Edwards on Monday. We've tried it against more seasoned QB's that flat out can't be confused if given 4+ seconds in the pocket regardless of how many you get in coverage. It doesn't work. Its Elway driving against us all over again.

    You can't be a good defense until you become at least moderately good at pressuring the QB when the situation calls for it.

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