Owusu-Koramoah - first steal of the draft?
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Woods didn't have the pieces to get fancy on defense. Watching Owusu play rover is going to be AWESOME !
https://www.brownsnation.com/jeremiah-owuso-koramoah-sees-himself-as-perfect-fit-with-browns/
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Woods didn't have the pieces to get fancy on defense. Watching Owusu play rover is going to be AWESOME !
https://www.brownsnation.com/jeremiah-owuso-koramoah-sees-himself-as-perfect-fit-with-browns/
Woods didn't have the pieces to get fancy on defense. Watching Owusu play rover is going to be AWESOME !
https://www.brownsnation.com/jeremiah-owuso-koramoah-sees-himself-as-perfect-fit-with-browns/
Woods relies on having his front 4 create pressure. Historically (even beyond his Cleveland days) He’s one of the least aggressive D coordinators in the league when it comes to bring pressure outside of the Front 4.
Owuso will be utilized more in coverage
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Woods didn't have the pieces to get fancy on defense. Watching Owusu play rover is going to be AWESOME !
https://www.brownsnation.com/jeremiah-owuso-koramoah-sees-himself-as-perfect-fit-with-browns/
Woods relies on having his front 4 create pressure. Historically (even beyond his Cleveland days) He’s one of the least aggressive D coordinators in the league when it comes to bring pressure outside of the Front 4.
Owuso will be utilized more in coverage
A "rover" in most defenses since 2005 is either an undersized linebacker or a safety that couldn't quite cut it back on a hash. The idea at first was to make these players the nickel WILL but with plus speed. It's been a LONG time since I've seen 3 linebackers go out and stay on the field. 2005 Ohio State, IIRC. Carp would play as an edge while Kudla and Jay Richardson would move around a good deal. Then Schlegs was the Mike while AJ was the SAM. Usually it was Malcolm Jenkins or Brandon Mitchell who would come in as the actual nickel. This first started, from my memory at least, in 2003 with Purdue and Joe Tillers "basketball on grass". Then Kstate against Al Roberson and (here's a name, Darren Sproles) Hell, tOSU defense was one of the only ones to stop Vince Young dead in his tracks at times. Point being, over time the position has become more of an everydown need because of the offensive evolution of college and ultimately NFL football. I need a 3rd man in that second level who can walk out over receivers and not be embarrassed but also has the necessary size to take on blocks and play down low. I need someone who can cover, hit, tackle AND run sideline to sideline. Good news is, these kids who were previously considered "tweeners" before, are not the hot commodity in football. And even better news, because having elite size and speed is rare, these tweener kids can be found all over.
Woods relies on having his front 4 create pressure. Historically (even beyond his Cleveland days) He’s one of the least aggressive D coordinators in the league when it comes to bring pressure outside of the Front 4.
Owuso will be utilized more in coverage
This isn't all that dissimilar from Vic Fangio. Though Notre Dame, at least through the 2 games I've watched, has used JOK as an edge or a 5th man in pressure on... I want to say 7-8 snaps so far? He's being asked to play how Peppers was his RS sophmore year. Actually, I can't even understand for the life of me this "hybrid" designation given to JOK. Through 2 season I don't believe he's taken a single snap as a safety. He's just an undersized WILL from our classic perspective.
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I’m not pouring through JOK tape but the JOK highlights you see lots of shed/slip blocks and make tackles in the backfield on running plays...some are chasing the play from the other side. He doesn’t stay blocked like most 215 pound guys trying to fly through a line of scrimmage against worthy competition too.
You see very good coverage skills- some PBUs a few INTs just generally good coverage without PI.
I see decent pass rush ability but this isn’t his game yet but he looks the part in timing/disguising his blitz well (like Peppers did) and getting to the QB with his athletic ability.
I think you will see some splash plays from him at the next level. He hits well and moves well enough.
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I’m not pouring through JOK tape but the JOK highlights you see lots of shed/slip blocks and make tackles in the backfield on running plays...some are chasing the play from the other side. He doesn’t stay blocked like most 215 pound guys trying to fly through a line of scrimmage against worthy competition too.
You see very good coverage skills- some PBUs a few INTs just generally good coverage without PI.
I see decent pass rush ability but this isn’t his game yet but he looks the part in timing/disguising his blitz well (like Peppers did) and getting to the QB with his athletic ability.
I think you will see some splash plays from him at the next level. He hits well and moves well enough.
He doesn’t stay blocked like most 215 pound guys
You see very good coverage skills- some PBUs a few INTs
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- First bold. Welp, Noah Gray, a move TE out of Duke would disagree with you there.
- Second bold. Young Jok had 1 INT his whole collegiate career.
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https://heavy.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/trade-down-select-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-in-new-mock/
“In fact, it wouldn’t be surprising if NFL teams evaluated the 215-pounder as a safety in their defenses because the position he played at Notre Dame was more akin to slot corner in the NFL than anything else,” notes Michael Renner of PFF. “He played the overhang spot for the Irish, which meant he often had to run with slot receivers down the field. Even still, he earned [PFF] coverage grades of 77.2 (2019) and 82.3 (2020) the past two seasons.
“His flexibility could be invaluable to a creative defensive coordinator,” concludes PFF, and make him “a defense’s answer to [the] modern offense.”
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My goal within the next 30 days was to go through and watch the full season for all of our draft picks, including a couple notable UDFA (Wilson, mostly)
Decided to start with JOK in the season opener against Duke as opposed to Newsome first. Kid can fly, but like any young player attempting to get the mentals of the position down, what I saw has me raising some questions that I'm hoping are answered by film as the 2020 season progresses in my viewings. Won't be posting much until I have the entire season knocked out or barring a huge off-season move.
See you boys around Memorial Day.
Decided to start with JOK
I expect you'll see a guy that sometimes gets himself out of position by being aggressive to make a big play.
The Browns keep saying how he fits what they want their LB'ers to be. So, they want them to be strong, strong safeties. Flood the back seven with guys that can run and cover. I'm quietly hoping that we can stop the run while trying to cover receivers.
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Decided to start with JOK
I expect you'll see a guy that sometimes gets himself out of position by being aggressive to make a big play.
The Browns keep saying how he fits what they want their LB'ers to be. So, they want them to be strong, strong safeties. Flood the back seven with guys that can run and cover. I'm quietly hoping that we can stop the run while trying to cover receivers.
I expect you'll see a guy that sometimes gets himself out of position by being aggressive to make a big play.
The Browns keep saying how he fits what they want their LB'ers to be. So, they want them to be strong, strong safeties. Flood the back seven with guys that can run and cover. I'm quietly hoping that we can stop the run while trying to cover receivers.
This style of offense really pares well with an offense that can put points on the board, and jump out to leads. You do that, you make the opposing offenses one-dimensional, and they'll play into the Browns strengths.
But if the offense isn't playing with leads on the regular, teams are going to try and pound the ball down the Browns throats.
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I expect you'll see a guy that sometimes gets himself out of position by being aggressive to make a big play.
The Browns keep saying how he fits what they want their LB'ers to be. So, they want them to be strong, strong safeties. Flood the back seven with guys that can run and cover. I'm quietly hoping that we can stop the run while trying to cover receivers.
This style of offense really pares well with an offense that can put points on the board, and jump out to leads. You do that, you make the opposing offenses one-dimensional, and they'll play into the Browns strengths.
But if the offense isn't playing with leads on the regular, teams are going to try and pound the ball down the Browns throats.
This style of offense really pares well with an offense that can put points on the board, and jump out to leads. You do that, you make the opposing offenses one-dimensional, and they'll play into the Browns strengths.
But if the offense isn't playing with leads on the regular, teams are going to try and pound the ball down the Browns throats.
Sounds 2000's Colts-ish.
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This style of offense really pares well with an offense that can put points on the board, and jump out to leads. You do that, you make the opposing offenses one-dimensional, and they'll play into the Browns strengths.
But if the offense isn't playing with leads on the regular, teams are going to try and pound the ball down the Browns throats.
Sounds 2000's Colts-ish.
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He doesn’t stay blocked like most 215 pound guys
You see very good coverage skills- some PBUs a few INTs
I
- First bold. Welp, Noah Gray, a move TE out of Duke would disagree with you there.
- Second bold. Young Jok had 1 INT his whole collegiate career.
- First bold. Welp, Noah Gray, a move TE out of Duke would disagree with you there.
- Second bold. Young Jok had 1 INT his whole collegiate career.
He looked pretty solid on occasion knifing into the Bama backfield against some NFL talentI counted the Clemson game scoop and score as a pick it was pretty darn close but you are right. So he had 1 INT. Now that I’m corrected and Back to point of my post What do you think of his coverage skills? Like it or not Joe will use that skill set more so it’s worth diving into - can he do it?
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That is EXACTLY the team I was thinking about.
Significant difference is the emphasis placed on the running game in this offense. It isn't just a close out offense with this coaching staff. As the KC game showed - they'll feel comfortable airing it out when they're confident in Baker. Or they'll run the ball 40 times when the gameplan calls for it.
I counted the Clemson game scoop and score as a pick it was pretty darn close but you are right. So he had 1 INT.
Forgot about that one.
I expect you'll see a guy that sometimes gets himself out of position by being aggressive to make a big play.
The Browns keep saying how he fits what they want their LB'ers to be. So, they want them to be strong, strong safeties. Flood the back seven with guys that can run and cover. I'm quietly hoping that we can stop the run while trying to cover receivers.
He's been out of position a few times, not quite as nasty downhill in tackling against Duke. And the Duke TE/WR - Gray, boxed him out a few times on some designed perimeter throws. But his speed from backside pursuit is very noticeable.
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That is EXACTLY the team I was thinking about.
Significant difference is the emphasis placed on the running game in this offense. It isn't just a close out offense with this coaching staff. As the KC game showed - they'll feel comfortable airing it out when they're confident in Baker. Or they'll run the ball 40 times when the gameplan calls for it.
I counted the Clemson game scoop and score as a pick it was pretty darn close but you are right. So he had 1 INT.
Forgot about that one.
I expect you'll see a guy that sometimes gets himself out of position by being aggressive to make a big play.
The Browns keep saying how he fits what they want their LB'ers to be. So, they want them to be strong, strong safeties. Flood the back seven with guys that can run and cover. I'm quietly hoping that we can stop the run while trying to cover receivers.
He's been out of position a few times, not quite as nasty downhill in tackling against Duke. And the Duke TE/WR - Gray, boxed him out a few times on some designed perimeter throws. But his speed from backside pursuit is very noticeable.
He's been out of position a few times,
...and that's something the coaches will teach to.
Significant difference is the emphasis placed on the running game in this offense.
Yup. With Chubb & Hunt we'll be wanting to get a lead, then run a time consuming offense and be able to control the passing attack of our opponent's comeback attempts. At the moment however, I'd be concerned if we were playing from behind against, say, the Titans. (I'm reminded of the Raider game last year)
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https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/jok-not-lamar-stopper
thought Pete nailed this read ^^
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There is no single "Lamar stopper" individual. It, much like any rush defense, is a conscious team effort that combines athletic ability, gap/lane/leverage integrity, and sound assignment play finished off with quality tackling.
Glad to see a writer acknowledge that Young Jok isn't a one man eraser in this case.
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There is no single "Lamar stopper" individual. It, much like any rush defense, is a conscious team effort that combines athletic ability, gap/lane/leverage integrity, and sound assignment play finished off with quality tackling.
Glad to see a writer acknowledge that Young Jok isn't a one man eraser in this case.
There is no single "Lamar stopper" individual. It, much like any rush defense, is a conscious team effort that combines athletic ability, gap/lane/leverage integrity, and sound assignment play finished off with quality tackling.
Glad to see a writer acknowledge that Young Jok isn't a one man eraser in this case.
Or, like when I was in Grade school or Junior High: Play "Smear the Queer" where Jackson is The Queer.
We were not particularly politically correct as 8-14 year olds in the 60s.
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There is no single "Lamar stopper" individual. It, much like any rush defense, is a conscious team effort that combines athletic ability, gap/lane/leverage integrity, and sound assignment play finished off with quality tackling.
Glad to see a writer acknowledge that Young Jok isn't a one man eraser in this case.
Or, like when I was in Grade school or Junior High: Play "Smear the Queer" where Jackson is The Queer.
We were not particularly politically correct as 8-14 year olds in the 60s.
Or, like when I was in Grade school or Junior High: Play "Smear the Queer" where Jackson is The Queer.
We were not particularly politically correct as 8-14 year olds in the 60s.
Good news for you, I can confirm that we were not politically correct in the late 90's and early 2000's either.
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A "rover" in most defenses since 2005 is either an undersized linebacker or a safety that couldn't quite cut it back on a hash. The idea at first was to make these players the nickel WILL but with plus speed. It's been a LONG time since I've seen 3 linebackers go out and stay on the field. 2005 Ohio State, IIRC. Carp would play as an edge while Kudla and Jay Richardson would move around a good deal. Then Schlegs was the Mike while AJ was the SAM. Usually it was Malcolm Jenkins or Brandon Mitchell who would come in as the actual nickel. This first started, from my memory at least, in 2003 with Purdue and Joe Tillers "basketball on grass". Then Kstate against Al Roberson and (here's a name, Darren Sproles) Hell, tOSU defense was one of the only ones to stop Vince Young dead in his tracks at times. Point being, over time the position has become more of an everydown need because of the offensive evolution of college and ultimately NFL football. I need a 3rd man in that second level who can walk out over receivers and not be embarrassed but also has the necessary size to take on blocks and play down low. I need someone who can cover, hit, tackle AND run sideline to sideline. Good news is, these kids who were previously considered "tweeners" before, are not the hot commodity in football. And even better news, because having elite size and speed is rare, these tweener kids can be found all over.
Woods relies on having his front 4 create pressure. Historically (even beyond his Cleveland days) He’s one of the least aggressive D coordinators in the league when it comes to bring pressure outside of the Front 4.
Owuso will be utilized more in coverage
This isn't all that dissimilar from Vic Fangio. Though Notre Dame, at least through the 2 games I've watched, has used JOK as an edge or a 5th man in pressure on... I want to say 7-8 snaps so far? He's being asked to play how Peppers was his RS sophmore year. Actually, I can't even understand for the life of me this "hybrid" designation given to JOK. Through 2 season I don't believe he's taken a single snap as a safety. He's just an undersized WILL from our classic perspective.
... couldn't quite cut... back on... hash.
Reminds me of my college days...
Sophomore year in particular...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Cal calls JOK a linebacker but can't understand why his size is considered a possible weakness, and his reponse is comparing him to a player who was a safety.
Quality stuff here.
Cal calls JOK a linebacker but can't understand why his size is considered a possible weakness, and his reponse is comparing him to a player who was a safety.
Now you've gone and done it... made me give cal an upvote for his rebuttal.
When a player reminds you of someone, he reminds you of someone. Impressions are impressions.
I blame you...
The Pawn is ruled out.
No way... it's the only piece with a secret move!
But if the offense isn't playing with leads on the regular, teams are going to try and pound the ball down the Browns throats.
They can try, but we ain't the Colts...
MG's PFF run-D grade is in the mid-80s... IIRC... while Clowney has graded 91.2. While I doubt Freeney and Mathis ever got to that level, they weren't the problem wit the Colt D that season.
Add that ironically bookending their SB-winning year, 2006, Dunge's Indy D was damn good... vs run and pass. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/
Remember that 2006 D's miraculous resurrection in their playoff run? The source of both the regular season problem and resurrection was one player... Bob Sanders... the oft-injured, All-World Safety. After missing almost all of the regular season, he returned to the lineup for the run.
https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/jok-not-lamar-stopper
thought Pete nailed this read ^^
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Cal calls JOK a linebacker but can't understand why his size is considered a possible weakness, and his reponse is comparing him to a player who was a safety.
Now you've gone and done it... made me give cal an upvote for his rebuttal.
When a player reminds you of someone, he reminds you of someone. Impressions are impressions.
I blame you...
The Pawn is ruled out.
No way... it's the only piece with a secret move!
But if the offense isn't playing with leads on the regular, teams are going to try and pound the ball down the Browns throats.
They can try, but we ain't the Colts...
MG's PFF run-D grade is in the mid-80s... IIRC... while Clowney has graded 91.2. While I doubt Freeney and Mathis ever got to that level, they weren't the problem wit the Colt D that season.
Add that ironically bookending their SB-winning year, 2006, Dunge's Indy D was damn good... vs run and pass. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/
Remember that 2006 D's miraculous resurrection in their playoff run? The source of both the regular season problem and resurrection was one player... Bob Sanders... the oft-injured, All-World Safety. After missing almost all of the regular season, he returned to the lineup for the run.
https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/jok-not-lamar-stopper
thought Pete nailed this read ^^
Now you've gone and done it... made me give cal an upvote for his rebuttal.
When a player reminds you of someone, he reminds you of someone. Impressions are impressions.
I blame you...
I'd blame the head injury you must have received recently, if I were you.
Doubling down on a stupid take should never receive an upvote.
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