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  • OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
    #3

    Felton is a slight guy also.  If we keep D'Ernest (which I doubt) then just keep him doing the KO return duties.  The last resort is to catch it and attempt a return.  They'll be an illegal block and you'll start from inside the 10.  Play for the touchback. 

    The little guys can do the punt returns.....so that we don't have to put Landry back there.  (Peoples-Jones scares me when he's getting under a kicked ball)

  • Felton is a slight guy also.  If we keep D'Ernest (which I doubt) then just keep him doing the KO return duties.  The last resort is to catch it and attempt a return.  They'll be an illegal block and you'll start from inside the 10.  Play for the touchback. 

    The little guys can do the punt returns.....so that we don't have to put Landry back there.  (Peoples-Jones scares me when he's getting under a kicked ball)

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
    #4

    @orion said:

    Felton is a slight guy also.  If we keep D'Ernest (which I doubt) then just keep him doing the KO return duties.  The last resort is to catch it and attempt a return.  They'll be an illegal block and you'll start from inside the 10.  Play for the touchback. 

    The little guys can do the punt returns.....so that we don't have to put Landry back there.  (Peoples-Jones scares me when he's getting under a kicked ball)

    DPJ I don’t believe muffed a punt all year.  I had my doubts with him too.

    Rule Number 1 with Punt Return secure the ball, #2 secure field position and #3 everything else is gravvy.

    And Kickoff returns are a darn near extinct practice. 

  • D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
    #5

    If I see Hunt returning kicks in anything other than a postseason game, I'm gonna lose my shit.  

  • Felton is a slight guy also.  If we keep D'Ernest (which I doubt) then just keep him doing the KO return duties.  The last resort is to catch it and attempt a return.  They'll be an illegal block and you'll start from inside the 10.  Play for the touchback. 

    The little guys can do the punt returns.....so that we don't have to put Landry back there.  (Peoples-Jones scares me when he's getting under a kicked ball)

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @orion said:

    Felton is a slight guy also.  If we keep D'Ernest (which I doubt) then just keep him doing the KO return duties.  The last resort is to catch it and attempt a return.  They'll be an illegal block and you'll start from inside the 10.  Play for the touchback. 

    The little guys can do the punt returns.....so that we don't have to put Landry back there.  (Peoples-Jones scares me when he's getting under a kicked ball)

    5'9, 189 is "slight"? Certainly not compared to 6'0, 185.

    And he returned kicks for UCLA... https://uclabruins.com/sports/football/roster/demetric-felton/9945

    Pretty good at it to boot...

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    @sdbacker80 said:

    DPJ I don’t believe muffed a punt all year.  I had my doubts with him too.

    He's OK-ish... just lacks the quicks to be a threat. That is what Schwartz would bring to the field.

    @d-bone said:

    If I see Hunt returning kicks in anything other than a postseason game, I'm gonna lose my shit.  

    Well... we simply can't have that... 😉

  • @orion said:

    Felton is a slight guy also.  If we keep D'Ernest (which I doubt) then just keep him doing the KO return duties.  The last resort is to catch it and attempt a return.  They'll be an illegal block and you'll start from inside the 10.  Play for the touchback. 

    The little guys can do the punt returns.....so that we don't have to put Landry back there.  (Peoples-Jones scares me when he's getting under a kicked ball)

    5'9, 189 is "slight"? Certainly not compared to 6'0, 185.

    And he returned kicks for UCLA... https://uclabruins.com/sports/football/roster/demetric-felton/9945

    Pretty good at it to boot...

    image.png.243cb2e24b938abce6c0fed78548e9d6.png

    @sdbacker80 said:

    DPJ I don’t believe muffed a punt all year.  I had my doubts with him too.

    He's OK-ish... just lacks the quicks to be a threat. That is what Schwartz would bring to the field.

    @d-bone said:

    If I see Hunt returning kicks in anything other than a postseason game, I'm gonna lose my shit.  

    Well... we simply can't have that... 😉

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    5'9, 189 is "slight"?

    Go stand next to him.  🙂

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #8

    While I'm wondering - I wonder if Scwartz will eventually play a role in the additions/tweak to the offense that

    Hooper is excited about. At least once in a while a game.

    https://www.brownsnation.com/browns-austin-hooper-excited-to-add-wrinkles-to-offense/

  • U Unsympathetic wrote on last edited by Unsympathetic
    #9

    Troy Smith, future heisman trophy winner, returned kicks for OSU his freshman year.

    In honor of that, I say it's time to show off Case Keenum's agility in space.

    Release the Keenum!

  • ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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    How many kicks do kick returners return.  Sounds like a woodchuck deal.

    As for Schwartz play time, I see a fairly good amount.  I think we will try to establish him as a deep threat early in the season.  If we do that, teams will have to roll a safety over to his side or play corners off the LOS far enough that we could pitch and catch with him 6-7 yards at a time right down the field.

  • How many kicks do kick returners return.  Sounds like a woodchuck deal.

    As for Schwartz play time, I see a fairly good amount.  I think we will try to establish him as a deep threat early in the season.  If we do that, teams will have to roll a safety over to his side or play corners off the LOS far enough that we could pitch and catch with him 6-7 yards at a time right down the field.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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    @ballpeen said:

    1. How many kicks do kick returners return.  Sounds like a woodchuck deal.
    2. As for Schwartz play time, I see a fairly good amount.  I think we will try to establish him as a deep threat early in the season.  If we do that, teams will have to roll a safety over to his side or play corners off the LOS far enough that we could pitch and catch with him 6-7 yards at a time right down the field.
    1. So.... Baker it is then... 😉... 12.4 to 50% of the time ( https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct ) Really depends on to the degree your return-man chuck is a weapon. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/returns.htm#returns::kick_ret_yds I would bet CHI's Patterson's leash was a lot longer than DPJ's.
    2. Anthony's camp/preseason showing (plus health of the WR room) will dictate his use early in the season. But late? I can see him getting his fair share of work.
  • How many kicks do kick returners return.  Sounds like a woodchuck deal.

    As for Schwartz play time, I see a fairly good amount.  I think we will try to establish him as a deep threat early in the season.  If we do that, teams will have to roll a safety over to his side or play corners off the LOS far enough that we could pitch and catch with him 6-7 yards at a time right down the field.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @ballpeen said:

    How many kicks do kick returners return.  Sounds like a woodchuck deal.

    As for Schwartz play time, I see a fairly good amount.  I think we will try to establish him as a deep threat early in the season.  If we do that, teams will have to roll a safety over to his side or play corners off the LOS far enough that we could pitch and catch with him 6-7 yards at a time right down the field.

    DB's have to respect your route tree for you to be an honest deep threat.  Otherwise you're just...  Mike Wallace, maybe Corey Coleman.    It isn't as simple as "he fast, he deep".  Otherwise John Ross would be one of the most feared weapons in the NFL.

    @unsympathetic said:

    Troy Smith, future heisman trophy winner, returned kicks for OSU his freshman year.

    In honor of that, I say it's time to show off Case Keenum's agility in space.

    Release the Keenum!

    Funny enough, I remember him fielding a kick against Wisconsin and thinking to myself "who?!?"

  • How many kicks do kick returners return.  Sounds like a woodchuck deal.

    As for Schwartz play time, I see a fairly good amount.  I think we will try to establish him as a deep threat early in the season.  If we do that, teams will have to roll a safety over to his side or play corners off the LOS far enough that we could pitch and catch with him 6-7 yards at a time right down the field.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
    #13

    @ballpeen said:

    As for Schwartz play time, I see a fairly good amount.  I think we will try to establish him as a deep threat early in the season.  If we do that, teams will have to roll a safety over to his side or play corners off the LOS far enough that we could pitch and catch with him 6-7 yards at a time right down the field.

    With OBJ, Landry, Higgins and DPJ on the roster, along with three TEs who all can contribute in the passing game? 

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
    #14

    Welcome to your Browns Jet motion position... Could be Schwartz? Could be JoJo? Could be Felton? Could be Switzer? Stef has toys...and two Rams in the backfield

    click.... watch on Youtube

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #15

    So in other words, what damn near everyone has been saying since we watched Jarvis' slow ass take that tap pass against KC.

  • @ballpeen said:

    As for Schwartz play time, I see a fairly good amount.  I think we will try to establish him as a deep threat early in the season.  If we do that, teams will have to roll a safety over to his side or play corners off the LOS far enough that we could pitch and catch with him 6-7 yards at a time right down the field.

    With OBJ, Landry, Higgins and DPJ on the roster, along with three TEs who all can contribute in the passing game? 

    ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    With OBJ, Landry, Higgins and DPJ on the roster, along with three TEs who all can contribute in the passing game? 

    Why not?  And when I say play, I know he won't start, but I could see him on the field 10-15 plays a game.

  • @ballpeen said:

    How many kicks do kick returners return.  Sounds like a woodchuck deal.

    As for Schwartz play time, I see a fairly good amount.  I think we will try to establish him as a deep threat early in the season.  If we do that, teams will have to roll a safety over to his side or play corners off the LOS far enough that we could pitch and catch with him 6-7 yards at a time right down the field.

    DB's have to respect your route tree for you to be an honest deep threat.  Otherwise you're just...  Mike Wallace, maybe Corey Coleman.    It isn't as simple as "he fast, he deep".  Otherwise John Ross would be one of the most feared weapons in the NFL.

    @unsympathetic said:

    Troy Smith, future heisman trophy winner, returned kicks for OSU his freshman year.

    In honor of that, I say it's time to show off Case Keenum's agility in space.

    Release the Keenum!

    Funny enough, I remember him fielding a kick against Wisconsin and thinking to myself "who?!?"

    ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
    #17

    @tiamat63 said:

    DB's have to respect your route tree for you to be an honest deep threat.  Otherwise you're just...  Mike Wallace, maybe Corey Coleman.    It isn't as simple as "he fast, he deep".  Otherwise John Ross would be one of the most feared weapons in the NFL.

    Funny enough, I remember him fielding a kick against Wisconsin and thinking to myself "who?!?"

    I know it is more than simply streaking straight down the sideline.  I have read he has a good understand of such.  Is there evidence he can't run good routes?

  • @ballpeen said:

    1. How many kicks do kick returners return.  Sounds like a woodchuck deal.
    2. As for Schwartz play time, I see a fairly good amount.  I think we will try to establish him as a deep threat early in the season.  If we do that, teams will have to roll a safety over to his side or play corners off the LOS far enough that we could pitch and catch with him 6-7 yards at a time right down the field.
    1. So.... Baker it is then... 😉... 12.4 to 50% of the time ( https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct ) Really depends on to the degree your return-man chuck is a weapon. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/returns.htm#returns::kick_ret_yds I would bet CHI's Patterson's leash was a lot longer than DPJ's.
    2. Anthony's camp/preseason showing (plus health of the WR room) will dictate his use early in the season. But late? I can see him getting his fair share of work.
    ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
    #18

    @tour2ma said:

    1. So.... Baker it is then... 😉... 12.4 to 50% of the time ( https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct ) Really depends on to the degree your return-man chuck is a weapon. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/returns.htm#returns::kick_ret_yds I would bet CHI's Patterson's leash was a lot longer than DPJ's.
    2. Anthony's camp/preseason showing (plus health of the WR room) will dictate his use early in the season. But late? I can see him getting his fair share of work.

    True.  But if the returner is good, most kickers try to kick it out of the endzone, and most can a high percentage of the time.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    DB's have to respect your route tree for you to be an honest deep threat.  Otherwise you're just...  Mike Wallace, maybe Corey Coleman.    It isn't as simple as "he fast, he deep".  Otherwise John Ross would be one of the most feared weapons in the NFL.

    Funny enough, I remember him fielding a kick against Wisconsin and thinking to myself "who?!?"

    I know it is more than simply streaking straight down the sideline.  I have read he has a good understand of such.  Is there evidence he can't run good routes?

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #19

    @ballpeen said:

    I know it is more than simply streaking straight down the sideline.  I have read he has a good understand of such.  Is there evidence he can't run good routes?

    Yes - basically every game of his this past season. Why do you think Landry was so intent on working with him early? 

    Trust me, his footwork is...very raw.

  • Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
    #20

    The fact Landry was working with the kid tells me he (Landry) likes the kid's attitude/potential & I don't see Landry endorsing him for nothing.We, as Fans, need patience.

    Mike

  • @tour2ma said:

    1. So.... Baker it is then... 😉... 12.4 to 50% of the time ( https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct ) Really depends on to the degree your return-man chuck is a weapon. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/returns.htm#returns::kick_ret_yds I would bet CHI's Patterson's leash was a lot longer than DPJ's.
    2. Anthony's camp/preseason showing (plus health of the WR room) will dictate his use early in the season. But late? I can see him getting his fair share of work.

    True.  But if the returner is good, most kickers try to kick it out of the endzone, and most can a high percentage of the time.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
    #21

    @ballpeen said:

    True.  But if the returner is good, most kickers try to kick it out of the endzone, and most can a high percentage of the time.

    Except the stats I posted, which were percentage of kickoffs returned, say that is simply not the case.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Yes - basically every game of his this past season. Why do you think Landry was so intent on working with him early? 

    Trust me, his footwork is...very raw.

    And I believe the earliest lesson was that you cannot/ must not run every route at top speed.

  • @ballpeen said:

    True.  But if the returner is good, most kickers try to kick it out of the endzone, and most can a high percentage of the time.

    Except the stats I posted, which were percentage of kickoffs returned, say that is simply not the case.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Yes - basically every game of his this past season. Why do you think Landry was so intent on working with him early? 

    Trust me, his footwork is...very raw.

    And I believe the earliest lesson was that you cannot/ must not run every route at top speed.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #22

    @tour2ma said:

    And I believe the earliest lesson was that you cannot/ must not run every route at top speed.

    In terms of just attempting to win at the line or setup your routes by just hauling ass?  Sure, absolutely.   But regardless off the route, you want to get in and out of your breaks at speed.   Nobody wants a receiver to break a route off slowly.