Sheldon shucked the Browns for less money with the Vikings?
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and was thinking "out loud"... same reason i quick scan the politics board
why he left for LESS money. What do you, think, Gumby?
I should start with... "why I'm a huge shelton fan" ...? (grab a root beer)
It's 2013 draft night..My late father had me sold, Shelton Richardson was the best Browns pick when he was coming out of Missouri.. The only guy dad wanted to be a brown was Shelton at pick #6.. Browns turn in #6 card...It's Barf's Mingo! ?.. Pop's calmly ?, grab's his tv remote.. clicks the draft off.. (Gordon cost our 2nd rd. pick).
Than dad call's little old Me
before pick 7 can even get on the clock... We vented over a hour on the phone why Shelton Richardson was our right pick there... Vented until Shelton became a Jet at pick #13...Needless to say..my Pop's nailed his Richardson pick..
1) Agent's...the more money his player gets? the more likely* the 'percentage of money the players *agent* gets too!.. Berry's only access was Richardson's agent...book it! (Shelton was not taking Berry's calls) ?... Reports say Shelton took a lesser deal than the browns? Shelton's betting on himself next season.. Not his agents pockets nor some dirty gm pool game..
2) Berry's 1st blunder imo.(a) T.Mitchell? we will see).. (b.) Richardson call's it a 'dirty business'...it is... Where Berry got dirty?.... In Richardson's faith? Richardson thought Berry held him, from the top FA DT money releasing him to late.. on 4-16/ 13 days before a draft..(Ogun gets 6.2M on 3-18 ?..so did many other FA DT's get paid). If i had to defend Berry's move?....It l?k's bad ..
Malik Jackson was added 3-23 (3.7M) to fill Ogun's vacant spot..me thought ?.. Richardson just signed back with the Vikings for 3.6M.. I'm guessing Berry knew his position $'s to spend..
My Dad would have enjoyed the hell out of Richardson's time as a Brown (book that too!) But damn... the Shelton departing ?
Bless ya DaD! ? ?
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Put yourself in Berry's shoes. Exactly when would you cut Richardson?
Berry cut Richardson only 48 hours after inking Clowney. All the "big" deals w players changing teams were pen to paper and news cameras called on day1 of FA period.
Are you really going to cut Richardson.... before signing either Takk or Clowney?
That's the choice -- there is no universe where we get the edgeFA's and get Richardson out the door before others have completed their signings.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Put yourself in Berry's shoes. Exactly when would you cut Richardson?
Berry cut Richardson only 48 hours after inking Clowney. All the "big" deals w players changing teams were pen to paper and news cameras called on day1 of FA period.
Are you really going to cut Richardson.... before signing either Takk or Clowney?
That's the choice -- there is no universe where we get the edgeFA's and get Richardson out the door before others have completed their signings.
Put yourself in Berry's shoes. Exactly when would you cut Richardson?
Berry cut Richardson only 48 hours after inking Clowney. All the "big" deals w players changing teams were pen to paper and news cameras called on day1 of FA period.
Are you really going to cut Richardson.... before signing either Takk or Clowney?
That's the choice -- there is no universe where we get the edgeFA's and get Richardson out the door before others have completed their signings.
If I feel I'm set at defensive tackle the position he plays without Richardson and I know I don't want to pay him 12 million I'm not worried about what edge rushers I can get since that's not Richardson position. But since you say either of the two takk was signed a full month before Richardson was released.
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Put yourself in Berry's shoes. Exactly when would you cut Richardson?
Berry cut Richardson only 48 hours after inking Clowney. All the "big" deals w players changing teams were pen to paper and news cameras called on day1 of FA period.
Are you really going to cut Richardson.... before signing either Takk or Clowney?
That's the choice -- there is no universe where we get the edgeFA's and get Richardson out the door before others have completed their signings.
Put yourself in Berry's shoes.
Ok, will do. I am Berry.
I find my obsession with Jadeveon Clowney kind of creepy.
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Put yourself in Berry's shoes. Exactly when would you cut Richardson?
Berry cut Richardson only 48 hours after inking Clowney. All the "big" deals w players changing teams were pen to paper and news cameras called on day1 of FA period.
Are you really going to cut Richardson.... before signing either Takk or Clowney?
That's the choice -- there is no universe where we get the edgeFA's and get Richardson out the door before others have completed their signings.
Put yourself in Berry's shoes. Exactly when would you cut Richardson? Simple! After failed reconstruct digits..
Are you really going to cut Richardson.... before signing either Takk or Clowney? ? it smells Better than 13 days in front of a draft
That's the choice -- there is no universe where we get the edgeFA's and get Richardson out the door before others have completed their signings.
Sure there is.. Were paying 90 but only keeping 69 to pay...
Which tit ? media clipping should we believe? ?
Contracts the Browns Could Revisit to Create Cap Space
*1. Sheldon Richardson, Defensive Tackle
Richardson is scheduled to earn $13.16 million in the last year of his contract. There's only $1.66 million of guaranteed money attached. There aren't many good options to replace Richardson, so releasing him negatively impacts their ability to compete now. However, Richardson could try to reduce that salary this year in exchange for guaranteeing most of the remaining contract. They could include incentives as well, which is what they did with Olivier Vernon last year.
In the case of Richardson, keeping him around an additional year might be a great option to allow them flexibility to find his eventual replacement without a major drop off in production.
As an example, if the Browns were to give him $10 million guaranteed for this year and extend him for another year at the same rate, his contract becomes two years, $20 million and the Browns could create $3 million in cap space for this year in the process.
Day of release...
*The Browns will save around $12 million in cash and salary cap space with Richardson off the roster. Cleveland had roughly $10.3 million left under the cap after signing Clowney to an incentive-laden, one-year deal this week.
It’s not yet known if the Browns asked Richardson to restructure his contract or if he’d be willing to re-sign for less money.
*Browns might need to restructure or release DT Sheldon Richardson to make it work. Cleveland had some cap space available, but $8 million, plus the draft picks they’ll need to sign, probably puts them over the edge.
*The move with Richardson wasn’t necessary but part of the organization’s overall cap management. Restructuring the contract didn’t make sense considering the money the Browns wanted to save.
*The Browns still have to sign the draft class and may explore big-money long-term extensions with quarterback Baker Mayfield, cornerback Denzel Ward and running back Nick Chubb before the start of the season in September.
*Cleveland had hoped that Richardson would return but understood that he would have to explore it if another opportunity arose.Many believed that a reunion between Richardson and the Browns was likely, perhaps on a reduced contract, but that is not the case anymore. A lot of fans were bummed when the release was made, as Richardson was proving to be a leader on and off the field, and now will have to see Richardson in the Purple and Gold when the Browns visit Minnesota in Week 4.
*The Browns showed interest in bringing him back at a lower salary but Cleveland.com's Mary Kay Cabot reports that Richardson does not want to return to the team.
*The Browns hoped to re-sign Richardson, 30, after releasing him in April in a salary cap move, but the defensive tackle has decided he wants to
move onI'm done guessing until Berry has a presser confirming any final offer was made to Richardson... Ah
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LOL - but I'm not a sports reporter, and was thinking "out loud" why he left for LESS money. What do you, think, Gumby?
Gumby explained it well- and then there's a matter of hurt feelings about being cut... (You don't love me enough)
Then you have the long term problem of how you're going to be able to pay Baker, Chubb, and Ward if you want to keep them around.... all due big money. FWIW, it's going to cost on the high side of $15 million a year to pay Ward what he's worth on the open market.
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LOL - but I'm not a sports reporter, and was thinking "out loud" why he left for LESS money. What do you, think, Gumby?
Gumby explained it well- and then there's a matter of hurt feelings about being cut... (You don't love me enough)
Then you have the long term problem of how you're going to be able to pay Baker, Chubb, and Ward if you want to keep them around.... all due big money. FWIW, it's going to cost on the high side of $15 million a year to pay Ward what he's worth on the open market.
Gumby explained it well- and then there's a matter of hurt feelings about being cut... (You don't love me enough)
Then you have the long term problem of how you're going to be able to pay Baker, Chubb, and Ward if you want to keep them around.... all due big money. FWIW, it's going to cost on the high side of $15 million a year to pay Ward what he's worth on the open market.
This coming season might be the highwater mark for talent surrounding Baker Mayfield.
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Gumby explained it well- and then there's a matter of hurt feelings about being cut... (You don't love me enough)
Then you have the long term problem of how you're going to be able to pay Baker, Chubb, and Ward if you want to keep them around.... all due big money. FWIW, it's going to cost on the high side of $15 million a year to pay Ward what he's worth on the open market.
This coming season might be the highwater mark for talent surrounding Baker Mayfield.
This coming season might be the highwater mark for talent surrounding Baker Mayfield.
From now on your Delta Tau name is "Eeyore"...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This coming season might be the highwater mark for talent surrounding Baker Mayfield.
From now on your Delta Tau name is "Eeyore"...
From now on your Delta Tau name is "Eeyore"...
It's all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows this year. But I'm sure Berry has an eye(ore) on the potential storm clouds on the horizon. Starting with IMHO viewing Clowney as a one season rent-a-player. What KC had to do when they gave Mahomes his mega contract may be instructive. Though I doubt Baker is going to get a deal anywhere close to that.
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Gonna show my age here... and yours as well...
"Close" is a relative term... but no one said it would be easy.
When you look at the details of Mahommes' deal, it is far less onerous than the headline, $125mm, number.
Guarantees are front-loaded, so there is some short-term pain, but then it gets pretty friendly... especially in light of the Richardsonian-ending teed up after 2025. Patsy did get a series of March 20 trigger dates to ensure that if he is released, it will be during the prime UFA season.
And letting the deadline pass does not trigger guarantees for the upcoming season, but the one after that, e.g., on 03-21-22 his 2024 salary becomes fully guaranteed.
Hard to see that happening... KC is committed to PM thru 2023. They'll be drafting a QB in 2022. Book it... Might even hire a certain consultant to help them pick one.
So Mr. Berry... do you lock up Baker for the long-term. a/k/a "life"... or just thru 2023 after which a certain someone will be available?
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This coming season might be the highwater mark for talent surrounding Baker Mayfield.
From now on your Delta Tau name is "Eeyore"...
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