Camp Battles / Browns Training Camp 2021
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Zombo said:
Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.
Bryant could be the future at the position.
Z
Speed has never been his deal. He is good at getting open by having enough juke in his cuts to gain separation, and he has really good hands. But, yeah, he isn't a YAC guy, he is more of a possession type player. Which is fine if you go in knowing he isn't going to run away from many players.
First downs work for me. I don't expect him to break it for another 20-25 yards.
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Tyreek Hill was mostly a kr when he came to the Chiefs - he had even been labeled a possible UDFA. Anthony IS a wr from the gitgo, even though he has a lot to learn, too. I expect to see Scwartz make a big difference with the Browns - not sure if he will be pressed into big productivity as soon.
When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..
Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...
When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..
Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...
Good point on getting off the los, but Ross was also a db at times in his career, and had several injuries starting in college. He didn't have the muscle? to take hits etc. But he certainly was talented, and a burner. I think Schwartz is more a smart, driven kid - quick to learn, and can hold up playing a rough game. He has outstanding Browns coaches and fellow players to get him learning how to be a better wr in the pros. Ross went to the bungles. lol....
we'll see. I think he will develop into a star - he isn't Ross fragile, he's Tyreek tough.
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Yeah...ultimately, we have to figure out how to beat them don't we. Thus the 4-2-5....with some better players.
IT's really interesting - the Chief's defense is used to playing against Kelsey and Hill and Hardman in practice.... but the Browns have a huge advantage in DE's, LB's (now), and secondary (now) on defense. On offense, Baker can't run like a gazelle like Mahomes, but the Browns have a big advantage in oline, rb's and TE depth. The Browns can control the game? with their running game - but can Kelsey/Hill/Hardman get open often enough with this Browns secondary and linebackers? Can the Browns defense come together in time? Can Anthony Schwartz play as similar a dramatic role with the Browns offense his rookie year as Hill did with the Chiefs?
Luckily, Anthony has competition for playing time - Hill was a necessary quick addition to their offense.....
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Tyreek Hill was mostly a kr when he came to the Chiefs - he had even been labeled a possible UDFA. Anthony IS a wr from the gitgo, even though he has a lot to learn, too. I expect to see Scwartz make a big difference with the Browns - not sure if he will be pressed into big productivity as soon.
When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..
Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...
When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..
Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...
They will press him at first. I don't think being stuck at the LOS will be a problem. As you said, teams played off him a lot in college. I don't think they started out doing that. I think they backed off because he was beating the press and scorching people deeper. I see it as there was a reason they played off coverage. he did play in the SEC. It's not like he was facing crap teams or crap corners week in and week out.
No doubt that time will tell and he will need to work on his technique
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Beating press, any type of bump, jam whatever, is every bit as much about fluidity in movement, hand usage and footwork (especially off the line) then it is simply strength. Ever see Desean Jackson? He's 5'9 165lbs and not very strong. If strength was the biggest factor then he would be getting owned by just about every corner in the NFL.
Granted, being a smaller target I'm sure helps. Less strike area to get your hands on and Schwartz is a decently built kid as opposed to the smaller speed guys we've mentioned here ( 5'11 about 190)
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I agree.
Plus, being bigger means there is more area to hit resulting in illegal contact downfield.
Bottom line, not getting off the line and in to the route isn't going to be a problem
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Training camp tickets are open and available lottery style.
I put in for the Wednesday's. I'd like to make an early camp and a later camp. So if you're there on the 4th, 11th or 25th - holla. I'm trying to make all 3 and play catch up on missing my camp threads from a couple years ago.
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Zombo said:
Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.
Bryant could be the future at the position.
Z
Hooper is one of those guys who does everything well, nothing great. They overpaid for him, for sure, but that level of veteran experience and reliability bodes well for the position. I'd be really surprised if he's on the roster next year (something like $6 million can be saved against the cap), but I think he's great for this team could be this season.
Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler, we've been making up for lost time with family and friends. But, I was able to buy a new house with a new 75'' TV and a recliner that I can't wait to argue with you mofos on Sundays in.
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Zombo said:
Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.
Bryant could be the future at the position.
Z
Hooper is one of those guys who does everything well, nothing great. They overpaid for him, for sure, but that level of veteran experience and reliability bodes well for the position. I'd be really surprised if he's on the roster next year (something like $6 million can be saved against the cap), but I think he's great for this team could be this season.
Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler, we've been making up for lost time with family and friends. But, I was able to buy a new house with a new 75'' TV and a recliner that I can't wait to argue with you mofos on Sundays in.
Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler
My 7-week old is at grandma's until tomorrow afternoon.. freedom for a night! Stay safe, everyone -- the new variant is increasing [read: Spreading from person to person] even in the states with high vax rates. My hospital still requires masks indoors.. ignorance is no excuse either for you or the people you will transmit it to [yes, even unintentionally].
Science is always advancing.. this past year's virtual eradication of the otherwise benign viral asthma triggers may have been the key all along.
Now let's get out there and arm wrestle over the difference during a play of 2 guys' 4.58 and 4.63 40-yard times!
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Zombo said:
Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.
Bryant could be the future at the position.
Z
Hooper is one of those guys who does everything well, nothing great. They overpaid for him, for sure, but that level of veteran experience and reliability bodes well for the position. I'd be really surprised if he's on the roster next year (something like $6 million can be saved against the cap), but I think he's great for this team could be this season.
Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler, we've been making up for lost time with family and friends. But, I was able to buy a new house with a new 75'' TV and a recliner that I can't wait to argue with you mofos on Sundays in.
Hooper is one of those guys who does everything well, nothing great. They overpaid for him, for sure, but that level of veteran experience and reliability bodes well for the position. I'd be really surprised if he's on the roster next year (something like $6 million can be saved against the cap), but I think he's great for this team could be this season.
Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler, we've been making up for lost time with family and friends. But, I was able to buy a new house with a new 75'' TV and a recliner that I can't wait to argue with you mofos on Sundays in.
The cap hit on Hooper is pretty ugly the next two years. We are better off using him and parting ways with Njoku. I’ve always said Njoku will be better on his second contract it is too bad we are developing him for someone else.
Congrats on everything. I have a 19 month old too. The Baker jersey she had last year should fit better.
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Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler
My 7-week old is at grandma's until tomorrow afternoon.. freedom for a night! Stay safe, everyone -- the new variant is increasing [read: Spreading from person to person] even in the states with high vax rates. My hospital still requires masks indoors.. ignorance is no excuse either for you or the people you will transmit it to [yes, even unintentionally].
Science is always advancing.. this past year's virtual eradication of the otherwise benign viral asthma triggers may have been the key all along.
Now let's get out there and arm wrestle over the difference during a play of 2 guys' 4.58 and 4.63 40-yard times!
My 7-week old is at grandma's until tomorrow afternoon.. freedom for a night! Stay safe, everyone -- the new variant is increasing [read: Spreading from person to person] even in the states with high vax rates. My hospital still requires masks indoors.. ignorance is no excuse either for you or the people you will transmit it to [yes, even unintentionally].
Science is always advancing.. this past year's virtual eradication of the otherwise benign viral asthma triggers may have been the key all along.
Now let's get out there and arm wrestle over the difference during a play of 2 guys' 4.58 and 4.63 40-yard times!
yep, don't want to deflect too much but I'll say, honestly, wearing a mask has just kept me healthier overall. I recently went to a casino and wore my mask most of the time, and it was amazing how much better I felt not breathing in smoke for 8 hours. Good luck with that 7 week old!
The cap hit on Hooper is pretty ugly the next two years. We are better off using him and parting ways with Njoku. I’ve always said Njoku will be better on his second contract it is too bad we are developing him for someone else.
Congrats on everything. I have a 19 month old too. The Baker jersey she had last year should fit better.
For sure, but assuming I'm reading it correctly we can recoup $6 million in 2022 if he gets cut. I'm really not an expert on this stuff, but that could go a long way assuming we want to keep Ward, Chubb, and Mayfield.
You too man! I think the wildest thing is that our kids won't remember this at all (God willing). My daughter is so used to seeing people in masks she even tries to put them back on our faces.
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My 7-week old is at grandma's until tomorrow afternoon.. freedom for a night! Stay safe, everyone -- the new variant is increasing [read: Spreading from person to person] even in the states with high vax rates. My hospital still requires masks indoors.. ignorance is no excuse either for you or the people you will transmit it to [yes, even unintentionally].
Science is always advancing.. this past year's virtual eradication of the otherwise benign viral asthma triggers may have been the key all along.
Now let's get out there and arm wrestle over the difference during a play of 2 guys' 4.58 and 4.63 40-yard times!
yep, don't want to deflect too much but I'll say, honestly, wearing a mask has just kept me healthier overall. I recently went to a casino and wore my mask most of the time, and it was amazing how much better I felt not breathing in smoke for 8 hours. Good luck with that 7 week old!
The cap hit on Hooper is pretty ugly the next two years. We are better off using him and parting ways with Njoku. I’ve always said Njoku will be better on his second contract it is too bad we are developing him for someone else.
Congrats on everything. I have a 19 month old too. The Baker jersey she had last year should fit better.
For sure, but assuming I'm reading it correctly we can recoup $6 million in 2022 if he gets cut. I'm really not an expert on this stuff, but that could go a long way assuming we want to keep Ward, Chubb, and Mayfield.
You too man! I think the wildest thing is that our kids won't remember this at all (God willing). My daughter is so used to seeing people in masks she even tries to put them back on our faces.
assuming I'm reading it correctly we can recoup $6 million in 2022 if he gets cut. I'm really not an expert on this stuff
Austin Hooper's Contract Details
Go to the top of the section colored red on the right side. Select either Cut (post-June 1] or Trade (post-June1).
In 2022 after 6/1, Hooper's dead hit [left column of the colored section] is only 3.75 and cap savings [right column] is 9.5.
I'd bet more than 1 posts in this thread would be different if this was noted earlier..
Unless TexansHQ is somehow convinced to take his contract [for a 3rd round 2022 pick, let's enjoy this dream], I think Hooper gets cut on 6/2/22 due to the savings kicking in before the 22 season.. and presuming Njoku continues in 2021 with his 2020 play, Njoku will be the one to get re-signed very quickly after the season.
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This paints the Hooper contract in a different light.
And before I cut Hooper I’d need to find out what Njoku is looking for and I also want to see how Bryant develops
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So I'm very fortunate to be close with a couple people who have classmates (people I've met as well recently and we have a group text talking about football) who have insight into the team. (on staff, not coaching)
Came up in conversation last night - I guess Newsome looks "real" and "ahead of" Greedy. Their words, not mine. I didn't even have to mention anything, they just started giving some nice hints.
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So I'm very fortunate to be close with a couple people who have classmates (people I've met as well recently and we have a group text talking about football) who have insight into the team. (on staff, not coaching)
Came up in conversation last night - I guess Newsome looks "real" and "ahead of" Greedy. Their words, not mine. I didn't even have to mention anything, they just started giving some nice hints.
So I'm very fortunate to be close with a couple people who have classmates (people I've met as well recently and we have a group text talking about football) who have insight into the team. (on staff, not coaching)
Came up in conversation last night - I guess Newsome looks "real" and "ahead of" Greedy. Their words, not mine. I didn't even have to mention anything, they just started giving some nice hints.
Ahead of Greedy and no NFL starts?.. I find that hard to believe...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Zombo said:
Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.
...yes...that's a good way to put it...but Bryant runs like Frankenstein sometimes, with both arms around the ball...because he fumbled a time or two early in the season.
...yes...that's a good way to put it...but Bryant runs like Frankenstein sometimes, with both arms around the ball...because he fumbled a time or two early in the season.
At this stage in Hoopers career... He does not need to be all that fast.. Just run good routes.. Catch when it comes your way... Block when called upon.. can't ask much more than that...
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So I'm very fortunate to be close with a couple people who have classmates (people I've met as well recently and we have a group text talking about football) who have insight into the team. (on staff, not coaching)
Came up in conversation last night - I guess Newsome looks "real" and "ahead of" Greedy. Their words, not mine. I didn't even have to mention anything, they just started giving some nice hints.
Ahead of Greedy and no NFL starts?.. I find that hard to believe...
Ahead of Greedy and no NFL starts?.. I find that hard to believe...
Neat.
@nickers said:
When are you people gonna realize Masks don't prevent a fucking thing.. LOL... Keep the fear up!
EDIT: If you can still smell food cooking... Cologne/Perfume.. other odors... The mask ain't working.. It's not gonna stop spores and viruses from transmitting...
They are totally fabricated BULLSHIT!
Neato.
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We could start hearing some medical updates around the 27th.. Greedy Williams was limited in both OTA's & Mandatory's.. So it sounds like? GW would still need cleared to practice?
When does the Cleveland Browns' training camp begin?
The Cleveland Browns' 2021 training camp begins on Tuesday, July 27. For the first time in league history, NFL teams will have a unified start to training camp. ?
Media & fans are welcome in Friday the 30th... Than video's like these take a seat to real on the field action...?
with a injury history like these two? It's going to be easy to cheer for both at camp... ?
Greedy defends his spot.. while Newsome seems to bring a bigger dawg bite... Get Ready!?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Not at the training camp, but a nice picture of two great quarterbacks:
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