Camp Battles / Browns Training Camp 2021
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This thread is becoming my favorite training camp battle.
We will all be high-fiving each other in February
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Good Browns Training Camp Morning!
Started with a slight twist to changing thread topic name (links/post staying in one spot seems good, to compare notes)
The,
Official 2021 Browns Training Camp kicks off today, around 2:25 pm
And, Here's some scheduling nuggets around today..
Any real live Camp updates are always Welcome ! (we've officially passed the 3 to 5, to 21 nuggets that might happen ?) and.....
GO BROWNS !
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Good Browns Training Camp Morning!
Started with a slight twist to changing thread topic name (links/post staying in one spot seems good, to compare notes)
The,
Official 2021 Browns Training Camp kicks off today, around 2:25 pm
And, Here's some scheduling nuggets around today..
Any real live Camp updates are always Welcome ! (we've officially passed the 3 to 5, to 21 nuggets that might happen ?) and.....
GO BROWNS !
Good Browns Training Camp Morning!
Started with a slight twist to changing thread topic name (links/post staying in one spot seems good, to compare notes)
The,
Official 2021 Browns Training Camp kicks off today, around 2:25 pm
And, Here's some scheduling nuggets around today..
Any real live Camp updates are always Welcome ! (we've officially passed the 3 to 5, to 21 nuggets that might happen ?) and.....
GO BROWNS !
Still haven't seen any tickets in my inbox for camp.
If anyone finds they have spares for a weekday, let your boy know.
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July 28 (2:22 p.m.) - The Browns will be without three players on the first day of training camp Wednesday afternoon.
Coach Kevin Stefanski announced before practice that fifth-round rookie LB Tony Fields II will miss time due to a foot injury suffered in the first rookie and quarterback practices earlier this week. RB D'Ernest Johnson was also excused from practice due to personal reasons and rookie LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah is on the reserve/COVID-19 list.
"(Fields) injured his foot — the opposite foot he injured before," Stefanski said. "He'll miss some time. I don't have a long-term update."
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https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/fresh-takes-browns-training-camp-observations-day-1
Includes a 58 image slideshow....
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
...sucks that we start camp without both of the LB'ers that they drafted. It's possible that COVID could affect JOK for quite some time (ask Myles)...and I'm sure that part of the reason they drafted Fields was because he's fleet afoot. And now one of his fleet foots is injured.
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Cleveland Browns@BrownsDPJ starting #BrownsCamp off with a bang! 💥 @dpeoplesjones -
Certainly reads like a very good Browns Camp start from many media markets.. Led my a good leader in Kevin Stefanski
also, Reads like Tony Fields maybe our first PuP list player? (as long as he could still be zoom'd coached?)
Head coach Kevin Stefanski indicated in his press session that it’s a different injury than the previous foot injury Fields suffered earlier this spring. It’s the other foot.
Stefanski gave no timeline on any potential return for Fields beyond stating he will “miss time”. The speedy rookie was expected to compete for a reserve LB job as well as on special teams, but the injury slows down any momentum Fields might have carried from his recent draft status.
Browns go right back at it today at 2:25 pm
Go Browns !
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Sounds of stacking 3 good days together... https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2021/7/30/22601712/cleveland-browns-training-camp-recap-day-3-fans-return-to-berea verse air
Pads can come on? The first padded practice will take place on Tuesday, August 3, which is standard procedure as the beginning of camp is an acclimation period.
Loads of individual player notes? Scattered in several media outlets everywhere ! good luck, on whom to believe ?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Search for it if you like - but that 2016 season when Hue tried to put RG3 at the helm. Nathan Zagura and the sunshine pumpers that were "camp reports" were saying he looked fantastic.
Lying through their teeth or had no idea what they were watching. Pryor bailed out throw after throw with his wingspan.
So I trust camp reports about as much as I trust my ex-fiance. And that bitch is loooooong gone.
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Sounds of stacking 3 good days together... https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2021/7/30/22601712/cleveland-browns-training-camp-recap-day-3-fans-return-to-berea verse air
Pads can come on? The first padded practice will take place on Tuesday, August 3, which is standard procedure as the beginning of camp is an acclimation period.
Loads of individual player notes? Scattered in several media outlets everywhere ! good luck, on whom to believe ?
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Derick Willies retired after practice.
I knew what this response was going to say
...before the 2nd reaction ding 
Willies grabbed the hearts of many browns fans when we beat the Ravens... when we really had no players to do so..
and yes the reports of are coming https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/30/derrick-willies-retires-from-nfl/
but damm... the last 3 days, sounds like we might have 7 WR's better than free Willies ?... some guys just can't shake that NFL injury bug...
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Search for it if you like - but that 2016 season when Hue tried to put RG3 at the helm. Nathan Zagura and the sunshine pumpers that were "camp reports" were saying he looked fantastic.
Lying through their teeth or had no idea what they were watching. Pryor bailed out throw after throw with his wingspan.
So I trust camp reports about as much as I trust my ex-fiance. And that bitch is loooooong gone.
So I trust camp reports about as much as I trust my
own eyes ?.. I clearly get your opinion though.. it takes me hours to weed out, the need to tweet... big nothings..
I only use the full Browns Daily pod to confirm matching media reports on players first.. I get more out of it, with muting Zagura & FF to the next play.. And hey! we might have talked Ward into putting on that bulk & a few pounds we talked about from pg.1..
I'm open to seeing Ward & Greedy playing closer to the 190 playing weight coming into camp..
guessing I'm not against the new trend of tPackers 5' 10"'ish Jaire Alexander CB's playing at 196lbs..
Enjoyed watching Ward'ens presser from today... Reports & my vision say he's playing around 190 lbs. & looked every bit of it..He looked solid from the presser i saw...
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So I trust camp reports about as much as I trust my
own eyes ?.. I clearly get your opinion though.. it takes me hours to weed out, the need to tweet... big nothings..
I only use the full Browns Daily pod to confirm matching media reports on players first.. I get more out of it, with muting Zagura & FF to the next play.. And hey! we might have talked Ward into putting on that bulk & a few pounds we talked about from pg.1..
I'm open to seeing Ward & Greedy playing closer to the 190 playing weight coming into camp..
guessing I'm not against the new trend of tPackers 5' 10"'ish Jaire Alexander CB's playing at 196lbs..
Enjoyed watching Ward'ens presser from today... Reports & my vision say he's playing around 190 lbs. & looked every bit of it..He looked solid from the presser i saw...
own eyes ?.. I clearly get your opinion though.. it takes me hours to weed out, the need to tweet... big nothings..
I only use the full Browns Daily pod to confirm matching media reports on players first.. I get more out of it, with muting Zagura & FF to the next play.. And hey! we might have talked Ward into putting on that bulk & a few pounds we talked about from pg.1..
I'm open to seeing Ward & Greedy playing closer to the 190 playing weight coming into camp..
guessing I'm not against the new trend of tPackers 5' 10"'ish Jaire Alexander CB's playing at 196lbs..
Enjoyed watching Ward'ens presser from today... Reports & my vision say he's playing around 190 lbs. & looked every bit of it..He looked solid from the presser i saw...
Considering he was 182lbs at combine and rookie year, his body has reach maturity. Those 8lbs naturally come with filling out and training.
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Bootleg Football - Kollmann's weekly podcast - covers each AFCN team this week. If you like long-form analysis, enjoy. Browns starts at 5:12. Past [and future] episodes are worth digging into for knowledge of other rosters.
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Bootleg Football - Kollmann's weekly podcast - covers each AFCN team this week. If you like long-form analysis, enjoy. Browns starts at 5:12. Past [and future] episodes are worth digging into for knowledge of other rosters.
Bootleg Football - Kollmann's weekly podcast - covers each AFCN team this week. If you like long-form analysis, enjoy. Browns starts at 5:12. Past [and future] episodes are worth digging into for knowledge of other rosters.
Watching his segment on Justin Fields. Like several segments with his evaluation of collegiate players, I find myself disagreeing. And being that this has been my QB, a guy I've watched every game of his for 2 years... I think I have a leg to stand on.
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Bootleg Football - Kollmann's weekly podcast - covers each AFCN team this week. If you like long-form analysis, enjoy. Browns starts at 5:12. Past [and future] episodes are worth digging into for knowledge of other rosters.
Watching his segment on Justin Fields. Like several segments with his evaluation of collegiate players, I find myself disagreeing. And being that this has been my QB, a guy I've watched every game of his for 2 years... I think I have a leg to stand on.
Watching his segment on Justin Fields. Like several segments with his evaluation of collegiate players, I find myself disagreeing. And being that this has been my QB, a guy I've watched every game of his for 2 years... I think I have a leg to stand on.
He’s not ready or he just doesn’t have it?
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I absolutely hated the drafting site of Haskins going to the Bears...Matt Nagy is on thin ice and a messy play caller...Nagy will sink his own coaching ship...
It may take another John Dorsey trade to see Dwayne Haskins play?
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Da' Browns ? Our ship is on a direct course...
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Watching his segment on Justin Fields. Like several segments with his evaluation of collegiate players, I find myself disagreeing. And being that this has been my QB, a guy I've watched every game of his for 2 years... I think I have a leg to stand on.
He’s not ready or he just doesn’t have it?
He’s not ready or he just doesn’t have it?
I don't necessarily believe in the whole "X person doesn't have IT". (Notable exceptions: Weeden was obvious, Manziel was a trainwreck waiting to happen, Kizer was a big kid not ready to play chess) I mean, I believe you can evaluate someone's highs, lows, in/consistencies, and presentable strengths along with their weaknesses. I said after the NU game that Fields would fall regardless of what happened against Clemson. Clemson was a team running on fumes at linebacker and secondary, their breeze through the ACC then the brick wall against Burrow and Co. all but proved that. So Fields feasting on that secondary, while fucking awesome, was always much more of a possibility than a more disciplined defense such as Northwestern (crazy to say)
In watching Kollmann's video, I noticed he left out that NU game, and he left out the Clemson game from 2019 where he struggled pretty bad. The Buckeye offense ran largely through Dobbins in 2019 and when Fields was forced to carry the load, he faltered at times. The pick to Isiah Simmons was... just awful. That first year, even into bowl season with the entire regular season under his belt, wasn't that much an improvement as a passer. The running game and elite pass pro carried the team. You'll notice that Fields was accredited with, I want to say, 13 sacks on that year? Pretty damn high number. That is indicative of a few things, none of them good. I will say this, the NU could be called a bit "fluky", a thumb injury, starting receiver out... I get it. Then he torched Clemson and didn't make similar mistakes to which he did the year previous. But there was another little glaring problem - being better against an even trashier secondary isn't THAT great as a feat. And the Buckeye offense was incredibly spotty at times in 2020. I see the good, I really do. He has the physical traits to be a good QB and I don't question his work ethic such as Dan Orlovsky does. That is cliche' bullshit. But some of the mental pre-snap, along with playing under duress while having the footwork necessary to change launch points within the pocket or to safely and consistently create space and the time to hit said window are my questions... Clearly several GM's felt the same way I did after that NU game, you can go back through and view early days of my conversation with Gipper. Fields was being touted as the guaranteed #2 QB until the B1G title game. Then he took a tumble. I wasn't the only one to see these things and have question.
Justin also has the misfortunate of ending up in Chicago vs a place like San Fran. So instead of ending up with a better offensive mind, a better Oline, a better running game and receivers - he has to make due with Matt Nagy, a so-so line, a spotty running game and decent receivers. Sure the running game can benefit from Justin's legs, but any little mishap can be a season ending injury. He just didn't end up in a good situation and it's beyond rare that a rookie just fixes a teams problems.
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He’s not ready or he just doesn’t have it?
I don't necessarily believe in the whole "X person doesn't have IT". (Notable exceptions: Weeden was obvious, Manziel was a trainwreck waiting to happen, Kizer was a big kid not ready to play chess) I mean, I believe you can evaluate someone's highs, lows, in/consistencies, and presentable strengths along with their weaknesses. I said after the NU game that Fields would fall regardless of what happened against Clemson. Clemson was a team running on fumes at linebacker and secondary, their breeze through the ACC then the brick wall against Burrow and Co. all but proved that. So Fields feasting on that secondary, while fucking awesome, was always much more of a possibility than a more disciplined defense such as Northwestern (crazy to say)
In watching Kollmann's video, I noticed he left out that NU game, and he left out the Clemson game from 2019 where he struggled pretty bad. The Buckeye offense ran largely through Dobbins in 2019 and when Fields was forced to carry the load, he faltered at times. The pick to Isiah Simmons was... just awful. That first year, even into bowl season with the entire regular season under his belt, wasn't that much an improvement as a passer. The running game and elite pass pro carried the team. You'll notice that Fields was accredited with, I want to say, 13 sacks on that year? Pretty damn high number. That is indicative of a few things, none of them good. I will say this, the NU could be called a bit "fluky", a thumb injury, starting receiver out... I get it. Then he torched Clemson and didn't make similar mistakes to which he did the year previous. But there was another little glaring problem - being better against an even trashier secondary isn't THAT great as a feat. And the Buckeye offense was incredibly spotty at times in 2020. I see the good, I really do. He has the physical traits to be a good QB and I don't question his work ethic such as Dan Orlovsky does. That is cliche' bullshit. But some of the mental pre-snap, along with playing under duress while having the footwork necessary to change launch points within the pocket or to safely and consistently create space and the time to hit said window are my questions... Clearly several GM's felt the same way I did after that NU game, you can go back through and view early days of my conversation with Gipper. Fields was being touted as the guaranteed #2 QB until the B1G title game. Then he took a tumble. I wasn't the only one to see these things and have question.
Justin also has the misfortunate of ending up in Chicago vs a place like San Fran. So instead of ending up with a better offensive mind, a better Oline, a better running game and receivers - he has to make due with Matt Nagy, a so-so line, a spotty running game and decent receivers. Sure the running game can benefit from Justin's legs, but any little mishap can be a season ending injury. He just didn't end up in a good situation and it's beyond rare that a rookie just fixes a teams problems.
I don't necessarily believe in the whole "X person doesn't have IT". (Notable exceptions: Weeden was obvious, Manziel was a trainwreck waiting to happen, Kizer was a big kid not ready to play chess) I mean, I believe you can evaluate someone's highs, lows, in/consistencies, and presentable strengths along with their weaknesses. I said after the NU game that Fields would fall regardless of what happened against Clemson. Clemson was a team running on fumes at linebacker and secondary, their breeze through the ACC then the brick wall against Burrow and Co. all but proved that. So Fields feasting on that secondary, while fucking awesome, was always much more of a possibility than a more disciplined defense such as Northwestern (crazy to say)
In watching Kollmann's video, I noticed he left out that NU game, and he left out the Clemson game from 2019 where he struggled pretty bad. The Buckeye offense ran largely through Dobbins in 2019 and when Fields was forced to carry the load, he faltered at times. The pick to Isiah Simmons was... just awful. That first year, even into bowl season with the entire regular season under his belt, wasn't that much an improvement as a passer. The running game and elite pass pro carried the team. You'll notice that Fields was accredited with, I want to say, 13 sacks on that year? Pretty damn high number. That is indicative of a few things, none of them good. I will say this, the NU could be called a bit "fluky", a thumb injury, starting receiver out... I get it. Then he torched Clemson and didn't make similar mistakes to which he did the year previous. But there was another little glaring problem - being better against an even trashier secondary isn't THAT great as a feat. And the Buckeye offense was incredibly spotty at times in 2020. I see the good, I really do. He has the physical traits to be a good QB and I don't question his work ethic such as Dan Orlovsky does. That is cliche' bullshit. But some of the mental pre-snap, along with playing under duress while having the footwork necessary to change launch points within the pocket or to safely and consistently create space and the time to hit said window are my questions... Clearly several GM's felt the same way I did after that NU game, you can go back through and view early days of my conversation with Gipper. Fields was being touted as the guaranteed #2 QB until the B1G title game. Then he took a tumble. I wasn't the only one to see these things and have question.
Justin also has the misfortunate of ending up in Chicago vs a place like San Fran. So instead of ending up with a better offensive mind, a better Oline, a better running game and receivers - he has to make due with Matt Nagy, a so-so line, a spotty running game and decent receivers. Sure the running game can benefit from Justin's legs, but any little mishap can be a season ending injury. He just didn't end up in a good situation and it's beyond rare that a rookie just fixes a teams problems.
This is a fair assessment. I don’t think he’s ready but I think the Bears will simplify it and ease him in and rely on his athleticism moving the pocket and cutting the field in half. Having said that he will have some struggles next year.
His pre-snap game needs to improve. He needs to diagnose defenses better and he needs better blitz anticipation. He will get chewed up a little here next year but I think in his 20 or so starts at OSU he’s improved a lot here from the Fall of 2019. He’s a worker and I don’t see him as the type to get discouraged so hopeful is where I am at with this area.
Can’t deny the arm talent and legs. He’s made NFL throws throughout his time at OSU
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